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– [Kim] Hi, this is Kim from Khan Academy. Today, I’m learning
about the 8th Amendment to the US Constitution, which
prohibits the government from imposing excessive fines and bail, or inflicting cruel and unusual punishment on individuals accused
or convicted of a crime. But what counts as excessive,
or cruel and unusual? To learn more, I sought out the help of two experts on the 8th Amendment. John Stinneford is the assistant director of the Criminal Justice Center at the University of Florida Law School. John Bessler is an
associate professor of law at the University of Baltimore Law School. So, Professor Bessler, why were the framers so keen
to include the 8th Amendment? Why did they wanna protect
these rights in particular? – [John B.] Well, these
rights were actually enshrined in the English Bill of Rights of 1689. And so, when the Americans
got into the dispute with Great Britain,
they decided they wanted to have the same rights
that Englishman had. And so, it was not too surprising that when George Mason actually
wrote the Virginia Declaration of Rights in 1776, that
he looked to English law to see what rights the English had because he wanted exactly the same rights. And so, this 16 words in the
8th Amendment have been subject to a lot of controversy over the years, but, I think, one of the reasons that the founders wanted this was that, like the English would have problems with the monarch imposing
excessive bail, excessive fines, inflicting cruel and unusual punishments, the founders also knew that was a risk that there was abuse from the government in the United States. And so, they also wanted those rights. Because, originally, in the Constitution, these rights were not protected against, and the Bill of Rights
was ratified in 1791 which ensured that there
would be protections against these cruel and
unusual punishments, and excessive bail and excessive fines. – [John S.] If you look
at the 8th Amendment, there’s three clauses, right? The excessive bail clause,
the excessive fines clause, and the cruel and unusual
punishments clause. And these all have one thing in common, which is that these are
all penalties, essentially, that the government
inflicts on people usually as the result of either
being accused of crime or of being convicted of crime. So if you’ve been arrested,
you’re waiting for trial, very often your only way to get out of jail before trial is to make bail. And, of course, after
you’ve been convicted, the court might impose a fine on you, or some other kind of punishment. And so, the 8th Amendment is designed to prevent the government
from doing things that are excessive. When the government punishes a person, that’s the most coercive
thing the government does short of war, right? Other than shooting you
in battle, picking you up and throwing you in a jail cell
is about as bad as it gets. And so, the framers wanted to make sure that we had a constitutional protection when it comes to criminal punishment. – [Kim] So, in a lot of
cases in the Bill of Rights you see the framers reacting
to some historical evil that they hope to prevent. For example, the 3rd Amendment says you can’t quarter soldiers
in private citizens’ homes because that had been such
a important tipping point in the American Revolution. Was there something that
the framers had in mind as a particular historical evil
that they wanted to prevent? – [John B.] Well, there
was some historical evils, and the English Bill of Rights
went into place in 1689, and when that went into place there was actually a
controversy in England around a person by the
name of Titus Oates. Titus Oates was somebody
who had false accusation, what was had committed
perjury resulted, actually, that allegation in the
execution of 15 Catholics. And the plot that he’d alleged was one to assassinate
the king of England. – [John S.] The question is
what to do with Oates, right? Because as a sort of a moral matter, he’s about as bad as it gets. In fact, in 2005, English historians voted
him the worst Briton of the 17th century
(Kim laughs) and the third worst Briton
of the last 1,000 years, or something like that. So a very bad guy, you could think of him as
a sort of a serial killer. But the problem is that the
actual crime he committed was the crime of perjury. And even though his perjury
resulted in the deaths of many innocent people, nonetheless he could only
be convicted of perjury, which at the time was a misdemeanor. Which meant that he could not
be executed for his crime. So when it came time for
his sentencing, the judge, Chief Justice Jeffreys, who
is a famous hanging judge from English history, says to Oates, “Well, Oates, we can’t take your life, “we can’t take your limb, “but we have something
special prepared for you.” And it turns out that what
they had prepared for him was, number one, a huge fine, they
fined him like 2,000 marks. They sentenced that he’d
be dragged across the city of London while being flogged,
he was dragged from Aldgate to Newgate while being flogged,
and then two days later, just as the scabs were
starting to form on his wounds, he’s dragged back across the
city of London from Newgate to Tyburn, again while being flogged. Many people think the
hope was that he would die from the flogging, but, like a cockroach in a
nuclear war, he survived. – [John B.] This punishment was actually a very severe punishment, and after the English Bill of
Rights, it was promulgated. The Titus Oates’ punishment was challenged and some of the members
of the House of Lords actually called the punishment
barbarous, inhumane, and unchristian, and contrary
to the English Bill of Rights. And so, there was no precedence
to warrant the punishments of whipping and committing
to prison for life for the crime of perjury. This punishment was eventually remitted, in the sense that Oates
was later released. – [John S.] Although, the
House of Lords refused to vote to suspend the judgment against Oates ’cause they hated him so much they said, “So ill a man shouldn’t get
the benefit of any relief.” But they all agreed that
the punishment was cruel and unusual, and what’s
interesting is in the debate they say things like, “This punishment is contrary
to law and ancient practice. “It is without precedent, “and it’ll be a bad
precedent for the future.” So, in other words, it’s cruel and the way we know it’s cruel is because it’s so much harsher than has previously been inflicted for the crime of perjury, right? So the Oates case shows us
that when the words cruel and unusual were first used, they were used to describe punishments that are harsher than the
Common law would permit, or harsher than long-standing
prior practice would permit. And this means that, among other things, the cruel and unusual
punishments clause is not limited to gruesome punishments like torture and the rack and all that kind of thing. Because, in fact, the
punishments inflicted on Oates, although they were very harsh
for the crime of perjury, were not as harsh as
some other punishments that the Common law permitted
for other crimes like treason. – [Kim] Wow! So that tells us a lot
about the English context of cruel and unusual punishment. Do we know what cruel and unusual meant to the framers of the U.S. Bill of Rights? – [John S.] So, punishments
were cruel and unusual, again if they’re too harsh in light of long-standing prior practice for the crime for which they’re inflicted. There’s another problem
with statutory law, or with decisions of a judge or a king or a president for that matter, that’s also really relevant when we think about the 8th Amendment. And that is, sometimes the government
gets really mad at someone. They either think of a person
as an enemy of the state and they wanna inflict the
worst punishment they can on that person, or perhaps there’s a panic about a certain group in society. So, for example, in
American society recently, there have been panics about drug crime, or panics about sex offenses,
and every time that happens, the government tries to respond
with new forms of punishment that are much, much harsher
than what came before. And so, the insight behind
the 8th Amendment is that when the government wants
to inflict a new punishment, you have to compare it against
long-standing prior practice, that is you have to compare it against the Common law, right? So the Common law was called the law of custom and long usage, right? So, if something comported with the Common law, it was usual. If it was contrary to the Common law, it was unusual, and that’s
where we get the phrase cruel and unusual punishments. It’s basically punishments
that are cruel in light of or in comparison to
long-standing prior practice. So the basic point of the 8th Amendment from a historical point of view is to prohibit the government from innovating in a cruel manner, making
up new cruel punishments in response to some actual or perceived provocation by a criminal. – [John B.] When the U.S.
Bill of Rights was adopted, many years later, many decades later, they had their own issues that
they were struggling with. And so, the history shows that the American founders probably meant something
different than the English meant because it was done over 100 years later, but no one knows exactly what was meant when they adopted that wording. To give you an example, when the bill was debated in Congress, a delegate from South Carolina, a representative from South Carolina said that he objected to the words nor cruel and unusual punishments because he said the import of them was too indefinite. And there was another legislator, Mr. Livermore from New
Hampshire, who said that, “The clause seems to express
a great deal of humanity “in which account I
have no objection to it, “but as it seems to have no meaning in it, “I do not think it necessary. What is meant by the
terms excessive bail?”, he asked. “Who are to be the judges?”, he also asked. “What is understood by excessive fines? It lies with the Court to determine.” And so, that’s really where
we are today in a lot of ways, the Court is still deciding, in this case the U.S. Supreme Court, is still deciding what
the 8th Amendment line what it actually means today. – [John S.] The modern case law, especially starting in the 1970s, revolved a lot around the death penalty. And so, the question was, is it still okay to execute people for various crimes short of murder? Since the 70s, the Court
has continued to do that in a number of areas so it’s said you can’t execute the
mentally disabled anymore, you can’t execute minors, you can’t execute anyone
for a non-homicide offense. Although it’s limited the death penalty in the name of current
standards of decency, it’s really not clear how
the Court has set about to determine whether a punishment meets current standards of decency. When the Court is kind
of on its own saying that a punishment violates
current standards of decency, despite the fact that most democratically
elected legislators actually approved the practice that it looks like the Court’s acting as sort of a political body. It sort of led the Court to ignore what I think is the
real danger of cruelty, which is that when there’s a public panic and the legislature responds
by ratcheting a punishment to new and unprecedented
levels of punishment. And that’s actually happened quite a lot in the last 40 years. And every time there’s a panic, you’ll predicatively see
the legislators coming up with new punishments that are much, much harsher than what came before. And so, for example, with
registered sex offenders, there are now a bunch of states that actually impose chemical castration as a form of punishment for sex offenders. Now, castration as a form
of punishment fell out of usage in the 13th century. We’re literally getting
medieval on sex offenders, but the Court can’t do
anything really to stop it or at least hasn’t because
these are very popular forms of punishment, everyone
hates sex offenders. – [John B.] The UN has actually decided that anything more than 15 days
use of solitary confinement should not be permitted. Justice Anthony Kennedy
actually raised the issue of solitary confinement in recent opinion. He authored for the Supreme Court, he actually raised the issue on his own, had a whole argument at
one point talking about how long people actually
spent in solitary confinement in American prisons,
including on death row. And you have cases actually where people are spending not just years, but sometimes decades on death row in these kinds of conditions. Justice Breyer just
wrote a dissent in a case where the person had been on death row for more than 40 years,
so literally four decades in these kinds of very harsh
conditions of confinement. Other countries have decided
that is not something that they want to permit and
they’ve actually set out a rule that anybody that’s on death row for a certain number
of years, for example, would have their sentence
commuted to a life sentence because of the psychological aspect of sorta waiting for one’s own death. – [Kim] In the Bill of Rights, this is the last of four
amendments actually, that are concerned with
protections for the accused. So, why do you think there’s so much in the Bill of Rights
about the justice system? Were the framers particularly interested in making sure that
the accused had rights? – [John S.] Yeah, they were. And, in particular,
Americans were very devoted to the idea of the Common law
as a source of rights, right? In fact, that’s why we had
the American Revolution in the first place, was
that England was denying to Americans Common law
rights, like the right not to be taxed without
representation in parliament, but also more specifically
to the criminal law, they were denying them the right to a jury trial in criminal cases. And so, Americans wanted to make sure that when the U.S. Constitution was adopted, that those Common law rights
that had built up over time in England would be preserved in the new American constitutional order. And many of those rights
had to do with criminal law, both criminal procedures
and, to some degree, subset of criminal law and, of
course, criminal punishments. And again, the reason gets back to sort of what I said at the beginning, which is that when the
government punishes someone, that’s about the worst thing it can do. And because the early Americans who framed the Constitution
were very powerfully concerned with liberty, they wanted
to make sure the government would preserve their liberty,
protect their liberty, and not become tyrannical, right? And so, one of the main ways that they wanted to
make sure this happened was by limiting the
power of the government to punish whoever it wanted to for any reason that it wanted to. And so, we have a, really the
majority of the protections in the Bill of Rights have to do with the protections
for criminal defendants. – [Kim] What about excessive
bail and excessive fines? How can we define what kind of, financial penalty, is proportionate to a crime? – [John B.] The courts
have said, essentially, they’ve looked at dictionary definitions that excessive means
more than is necessary. One of the core principles
actually go back to look at Beccaria’s work in the 1760s. He talked about this
idea of a scale of crimes and a scale of punishments, and he said that there should be
proportionality between the two. And so, that proportionality
principle is one that we’re really still
wrestling with today. – [John S.] Now, the point of
bail is not to punish someone, but rather just to make sure that they will appear at trial, right? And so, the amount of
money you have to impose for bail doesn’t depend so much
on what crime you committed, but what your financial
resources are, right? It depends partially on the crime too, but largely on your financial resources. So the amount of money
necessary to make sure that a poor man appears at trial is probably gonna be much lower than the amount of money
necessary to make sure that a rich man appears at trial. And so, it’s a standard
that depends partly on the nature of the crime, but also partially on the
nature of the offender. – [Kim] I imagine that
what seems like cruel and unusual punishment in
the 18th century might not be what we consider cruel and unusual today. For example, we don’t do
whipping as a punishment anymore. How has what counts as cruel and unusual punishment changed over time? – [John B.] The law
really changes gradually over time, as you know. And so, when you look back at history they actually had a large collection of pretty gruesome punishments
back in the 18th century. And we had non-lethal
corporal punishments, they used things like branding people, they, of course, were
whipping slaves back then, slavery was still around, this was well before the Civil War ended, the institution of slavery. And we also had things like ear cropping, people would get their ears cut off. In the Crimes Act of 1790, which was passed just the
year before the ratification of the 8th Amendment, the Congress actually
authorized public whipping, lashing of people, and also
authorized the pillory, the same punishment that had
been used against Titus Oates. So, there was these non-lethal
corporal punishments, and really the death penalty
is sort of the last vestige of bodily punishment
that the 8th Amendment, the Supreme Court has
read the 8th Amendment to allow the use of capital punishment. That issue is still a very live one before the Supreme Court. We’re now seeing challenges about lethal injection, protocols. We saw a challenge to a
protocol in Kentucky in 2008. We saw one to a protocol
in Oklahoma in 2015. These, of course, are things that the founding fathers
would never have envisioned . – [John S.] Lethal
injection typically involves a three-drug cocktail. So there’s a barbiturate, which is supposed to put you to sleep. There’s a paralyzing agent, which paralyzes your body and also stops your lungs from moving. And there’s a heart-stopping agent. Give the offender all three and they’re supposed to
die quickly and painlessly. But the problem is if
the sedative doesn’t put you completely, deeply unconscious, then the other two drugs are likely to make you suffer quite
a bit before you die. And so, the question is
this cruel and unusual, or is it not cruel and unusual? And to date, the Supreme
Court has twice held that lethal injection is
not cruel and unusual, and their main reason has been that the state’s not trying
to torture you to death. And so, if maybe, or
sometimes accidentally, tortured to death, well,
that’s just too bad, but it’s not a cruel
and unusual punishment. – [John B.] So, the Supreme Court has approved various methods of execution. At the same time, however, the 8th Amendment has been
read to protect prisoners. So, in general, the 8th Amendment is sort
of a protective shield that prohibits prison guards from gratuitously beating up inmates. It requires prisons to provide
some level of healthcare to prisoners because they
cannot get it themselves, they’re sort of wards of the state once they’re put in prison. It requires inmates be fed and sheltered. So, in a lot of ways, the 8th Amendment is a protective
shield protecting inmates, but then in the use of
the capital punishment it becomes what I like to call kind of a, it’s kind of a Dr. Jekyll and
Mr. Hyde kind of jurisprudence that the 8th Amendment has right now. – [Kim] So we’ve learned
that the 8th Amendment seeks to limit the power of the government in meting out punishment to people who have been accused
or convicted of a crime. Although it’s hard to tell exactly what constitutes excessive fines or bail, in general, it’s accepted
that those punishments should be proportional to
the crimes in question. Today, one of the biggest
debates concerns whether, or how, the 8th Amendment
may limit the death penalty. To learn more about the 8th Amendment, visit the National Constituiton Center’s interactive Constitution
and Khan Academy’s resources on U.S. government and politics.

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  • Merle Patterson Post author

    Is it just me or do mostly only people who earn under $50k per year, finding themselves caught up in the justice system, really need to be concerned about the eighth Amendment? Seems to me nobody from Wall St. or big corporate entities and the like got arrested after the 2008 stock market crash and taxpayer bailout in order to need concern themselves about unusual bail, fines or punishment? Or maybe am I just over generalizing?

  • Michael Pisciarino Post author

    The Eight Amendment (0:00)
    Speaking with Experts (0:20)
    Why was the Eighth Amendment formulated? (0:35)
    The Three Clauses (1:55)

    Was there a historic evil the Founders wanted to prevent ? (2:55)
    – Titus Oates case. "The worst Briton of the last 17th century" His Punishment (4:40)

    What did this English context of "Cruel and Unusual" do for the framers (7:00)?
    What Cruel and Unusual means (8:30)
    1970's interpretation revolved around the Death Penalty (10:10)
    Rights of the accused (13:10)
    What is considered cruel changed over time (16:30)


    why are people suffering in chronic pain allowed to suffer cruel and unusual punishment by being denied medication that relives their suffering? @t

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