Legislative Budget Oversight Commission

Legislative Budget Oversight Commission

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APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THAT IT CHIEFS DIDN’T DO TOO WELL THIS WEEKEND ADULT. …LAUGHTER…. MY SISTER LIVES IN MISSOURI AND ANOTHER ONE IN KANSAS I ALWAYS KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS WE’RE GLAD YOU WERE HERE IN MINNESOTA OF COURSE YOU ARE A VIKINGS FAN? >>OF COURSE MADAM CHAIR. >>YOU ARE A SMART MAN. >>MADAM CHAIR I WILL NOW INVITE JIM CARLSON. >>MR. CARLSON WELCOME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >>MADAM CHAIR I’M JIM CARLSON AND ANALYST WITH THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE. MY COVERAGE AREAS OF OUR ENVIRONMENT AGRICULTURE AND HOUSING. >>PLEASE TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT YOURSELF. >>I SPENT 11 YEARS WORKING AT THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE WHERE I SPENT TIME AS AN AUDITOR IN THE INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX AND OVER LAST YEAR’S I WAS PART OF A POLICY GROUP ON INCOME TAX WITHHOLDING DIVISION AND SERVED AS THE FISCAL NOTE LEAD. >>WONDERFUL WELCOME WE’RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. WE’RE GOOD YOU ARE A VIKINGS FAN. >>MADAM CHAIR I WILL NIGHT INVITE OUR NEXT STAFF MEMBER. >>MADAM CHAIR I’M AN ANALYST WITH THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE AND I WILL BE OVERSEEING TRANSPORTATION FISCAL NOTES. >>WELCOME WE ARE GLAD HAVE YOU PLEASE TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT YOURSELF. >>GREW UP HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES AREA IN COON RAPIDS I ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH DAKOTA AND MAJORED IN POLITICAL SCIENCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION MINOR AND I’VE SPENT THE LAST 12 YEARS ON THE FINANCIAL SERVICES INDUSTRY CONDUCTING FRAUD INVESTIGATIONS.>>WONDERFUL THAT’S GREAT WE ARE GLAD HAVE YOU. >>MADAM CHAIR THE LAST NEW MEMBER OF LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE WILL COME FORWARD. >>WELCOME. >>MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS I’M AN ANALYST WITH THE BUDGET OFFICE BY POLICY AREAS ARE HELD AND HUMAN SERVICES. >>WONDERFUL PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT YOURSELF. >>MADAM CHAIR I WAS A COORDINATOR IN MINNEAPOLIS AND PRIOR TO THAT I WAS GETTING MY MASTER’S DEGREE IN PUBLIC POLICY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA ON. >>VERY GOOD WELCOME WE ARE GLAD HAVE YOU. MISS WEBER YOU HAVE AN LBO UPDATE BEFORE WE DO THAT MEMBERS, YOU HAVE THE AUGUST 23RD MEETING MINUTES IN YOUR PACKETS. AS PRESENTED I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AUGUST MEETING MINUTES. >>I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. >>REP CARLSON MOVES THE MINUTES. WE DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM WE CANNOT TAKE ACTION THANK YOU WE WILL SET THAT ASIDE FOR NOW. NEXT THING IS OUR LBO UPDATE MISS WEBER. >>MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE SINCE WE LAST MET ON AUGUST 23RD I’M PLANNING TO SPEAK OF IT TO THE TRANSITION ON THE FISCAL KNOW TO THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE OUGHT NOT TO REFER TO THE CHANGES WORKING WITH ON A TRACKING SYSTEM AS WELL AS COSTS OF IT WITH THE CHANGES PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE STAFFING AND THE SPACE FOR THE OFFICE AND ALSO SHARE WITH YOU WHERE WE ARE FOCUSING OUR EFFORTS BETWEEN NOW AND THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THE LBO TOOK EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST THAT FELL ON THE SUNDAY OF LABOR DAY WEEKEND WE THINK GIVE SEPTEMBER 3RD AS OUR FIRST OFFICIAL DAY WITH RESPECT TO THE OVERSIGHT OF THE FISCAL NOTES WE PUBLISHED UNIFORM STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES WE ALSO PUBLISHED NOTIFICATION OF THE STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES IN THE STATE REGISTER AND THE SEPTEMBER 16TH THE PUBLICATION OF THAT DOCUMENT WE HAVE ALSO RELEASED ON SEPTEMBER 3RD UPDATES TO THE FISCAL NOTE TRACKING SYSTEM THAT UPDATED BAUCK THE WORKFLOW SLOOT WHEN REQUEST FOR FISCAL NOTES CAME TO THE LBO AND REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE FISCAL NOTES AFTER AGENCY COMPLETION WAS SIGNED OFF BY THE LBO ANALYSTS. SINCE THAT TIME ON SEPTEMBER 3RD THERE WERE SIX FISCAL MOST REMAINING FROM THE 2019 LEGISLATIVE SESSION BECAUSE OF THE CONSOLIDATED NATURE OF THOSE NOTES IMPACTED 22 DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT WERE NOT YET COMPLETE AS OF SEPTEMBER 3RD SO THOSE IN COMPLETE NOTES TRANSFERRED TO THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE ANALYSTS AND THE BUDGET OFFICE HAVE WORKED WITH THE EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICERS AND AGENCIES AND FISCAL ANALYSTS TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THE NOTES WERE STILL NEEDED AND AS A RESULT ON THE SLIDE I HAVE THIS INDICATES ONE LATE LAST WEEK WE HAD THREE OTHERS THAT WERE INACTIVATED THE REQUEST FOR INDICATED THEY WERE NO LONGER NEEDED OR. WE RECEIVED TWO NEW FISCAL NOTE REQUEST AND HAVE COMPLETED AND PUBLISHED ONE OF THOSE REQUESTS THIS DOESN’T INCLUDE ANY DATA OR STATISTICS RELATED TO CLASSIFIED NOTES BECAUSE THAT’S NOT PUBLIC INFORMATION WE ALSO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THE STAFF OF THE OFFICE LOCATED TO GATHER ON A TEMPORARY BASIS IN THE BASEMENT OF THE STATE OFFICE BUILDING. WE WILL BE LEVERAGING ANNUALIZING THAT SPACE WHEN HOUSE SPACE OPENS UP AT THE 525 PARK BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET FROM HERE WHEN THE REVISORS OFFICE STAFF MOVES FROM THAT LOCATION BACK INTO THE STATE OFFICE BUILDING. FOR THAT FISCAL NOTE TRACKING SYSTEM WE DID AS I MENTIONED WE DID A RELEASE ON SEPTEMBER 3RD IN COOPERATION WITH MMB TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SYSTEM WAS PREPARED FOR THE TRANSITION TO THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE. WE HAVE A SECOND PHASE OF CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM THAT ARE PLANNED TO BE INCLUDED AND THOSE ARE PLANS TO BE RELEASED ON NOVEMBER 22ND OF THIS YEAR THIS WILL INCLUDE ADDITIONAL THREE REPORTS THAT A BEEN DESIGNED FOR THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BETTER TRACK FISCAL NOTE REQUESTS AND ALSO WE ARE REINSTATING OF FUNCTIONALITY THAT YOU USED PRIOR TO 2015 WHERE ON THE REVISORS SITE WHEN SOMEONE GOES TO CHECK ON THE STATUS OF A BILL THEY CAN ALSO LINK DIRECTLY FROM THAT SITE THERE’S A FISCAL NOTE THAT WAS COMPLETED ON THE BILL. THE FINAL MODIFICATION THAT’S BEEN MADE TO THE SYSTEM BUT OUR ROLE IS BEING DESIGNED FOR EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICER IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS AS THE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION THAT I DID AS DIRECTOR WAS ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH MMB FOR THE FISCAL NOTE TRACKING SYSTEM FOR THE LBO TO HAVE OPERATIONAL CONTROL AND A NEW ROLE IS NECESSARY FOR EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICERS SO THEY CAN A VIEW INFORMATION AT THE SAME TIME FISCAL ANALYSTS AND THE LBO CAN VIEW INFORMATION ON ANY REQUEST THAT IS NOT A CLASSIFIED REQUEST. THE CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO LONGER IN THEIR EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICER ROLE OF REVIEWING AND APPROVING AND ASSIGNING FISCAL NOTES THOSE CHANGES WILL BE MADE TO THE SYSTEM. THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL NOTE TRACKING SYSTEM IS $69,000 THAT’S HOW MUCH WE BUDGETED WITHIN THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE OF PHASE ONE CHANGES WERE $11,680 OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS COST WAS PARADED BECAUSE WE TOOK OVER OPERATIONAL CONTROL ON SEPTEMBER 1ST SO THIS NUMBER REPRESENTS PRO RATED BASED ON THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE HAVING A SYSTEM THROUGH FROM SEPTEMBER 1ST THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF $35,500 THE REMAINING BALANCE FOR THAT PHASE TWO CHANGES PLUS $21,809 OF THAT THE PHASE TWO CHANGES ARE ESTIMATED TO COST ABOUT $19,900 SO THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF REMAINING BALANCE FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR THE SYSTEM CHANGES. FROM THE STAFFING PERSPECTIVE, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE 2019 SESSION THERE WERE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES PROVIDED TO ADD ADDITIONAL STAFF TO THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE BEFORE ANALYSTS YOU MET EARLIER TODAY WERE A RESULT OF POSTINGS THAT WERE DONE OVER THE SUMMER TO RECRUIT INDIVIDUALS WE RECEIVED 137 APPLICATIONS FROM 16 DIFFERENT STATES AND ONE U.S. TERRITORY SO WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN THE POSITIONS THAT WERE MADE AVAILABLE. WE CONDUCTED A 32 PHONE INTERVIEWS AND THEN WE ALSO HAD 16 IN PERSON INTERVIEWS THAT TOOK PLACE, THE INTERVIEW PANEL THAT I UTILIZED FOR THE ANALYSTS INCLUDE MYSELF FROM THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE, A FISCAL ANALYST FROM THE HOUSE AND AS A FISCAL ANALYST FROM THE SENATE AND THE EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICER FROM MMB SO THE IN PERSON INTERVIEWS WERE CONDUCTED BY THAT PANEL WHICH RESULTED IN THE FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU MET EARLIER BEING HIRED AND JOINING THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE. I IT WILL PROVIDE A LIST OF THE DIFFERENCE STAFF AND THE OFFICES WAS THERE A SIGN IN AREAS THOSE NOTED WITH AN ASTERISK REPRESENT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO JOINED THE OFFICE MOST RECENTLY. WE HAVE BEEN CONDUCTING A SERIES OF INTRODUCTORY MEETINGS WITH AGENCIES IN ADDITION TO OUR UNIFORM STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES WE’RE NOW WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A USER GUIDE WHICH WILL PROVIDE MORE EXAMPLES AS WELL AS PROVIDE INFORMATION ON HOW TO USE THE FISCAL NOTE TRACKING SYSTEM WE WILL BE DEVELOPING TRAINING THAT WE’RE PLANNING OFFER LATER THIS YEAR AND EARLY NEXT YEAR ON BOTH THE UNIFORMS STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES AS WELL AS THE FISCAL NOTE TRACKING SYSTEM. IN ADDITION TO THE USER GUIDE WE’RE DEVELOPING OUR INTERNAL OPERATIONS MANUAL TO GIVE US GUIDANCE AND CONSISTENCY ABOUT HOW WE ASSIGN FISCAL NOTES HOW WE REVIEW FISCAL NOTES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IN ADDITION TO THE LIMITED NUMBER OF FISCAL NOTES THAT COME OUR WAY SINCE THE TRANSITION WE HAVE BEEN CONTINUING TO CONDUCT CASE STUDIES ON FISCAL NOTES FROM THE 2019 LEGISLATIVE SESSION REALLY WORKING WITH AGENCIES AND EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICERS AND FISCAL ANALYSTS TO UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS OF THE MORE COMPLICATED FISCAL NOTES IN AN EFFORT TO PREPARE OURSELVES FOR THE RESPONSIBILITIES WE WILL BE TAKING ON AS WE MOVE INTO THE 2020 SESSION. WE ALSO STARTED A SERIES OF WHAT WE’RE CALLING KNOWLEDGE BUILDING SESSIONS WHERE WE INVITE A GUEST SPEAKERS TO TALK WITH US ON SPECIFIC TOPICS. ONE OF OUR FIRST SESSIONS WAS FOCUSED ON HOW TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN A NON- PARTISAN OFFICE AND INDEPENDENCE WE ALSO HAD A SESSION ON A BIANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS AS WELL AS THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET PROCESS IN THE SENATE AND HOUSE AND WE WILL BE STARTING AGAIN TOMORROW WITH A SERIES OF SESSIONS THAT WILL GO IN TO DECEMBER. WITH FAT THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE I’M HAPPY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>THANK YOU MISS WEBER IS ANY QUESTIONS? REP CARLSON. >>I’M LOOKING AT THE ASSIGNMENTS AND HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THAT THE WORKLOAD? IN THE HOUSE BASICALLY ALL FISCAL BILLS AND UP IN THE WINGS AND MEANS COMMITTEE ONE OF MY CURRENT RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO ASSIGN THOSE TWO DIVISIONS AND THE WORKLOAD OF THE DIVISION’S VARIES GREATLY IN TERMS OF THE LEGISLATION THEY GET. WHAT KIND OF ATTENTION DID YOU PAY TO WHAT THE WORKLOAD WOULD BE WITH EACH OF THESE ASSIGNMENTS? >>MADAM CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR CARLSON, WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE COMMITTEE STRUCTURE IN THE HOUSE THE COMMITTEE STRUCTURE IN THE SENATE THE MMB PREVIOUS EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICER ASSIGNMENTS AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME HISTORICAL TRENDS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF FISCAL NOTES. ONE OF THE CAUTIONS WE EMPLOYED IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE NUMBER FISCAL NOTES IS THAT NOT EVERY FISCAL NOTE IS EQUALED WITH RESPECT TO THE AMOUNT OF WORK OR ANALYSIS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED SO WE TOOK ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND ASSIGNING THE FISCAL NOTES IN THIS MANNER TO TRY TO HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF WORKLOAD ACROSS THE ANALYSTS’ IN THE OFFICE. WE ARE COMMITTED TO ADJUSTING DURING THE SESSION IF WE SEE THAT THIS IS NOT WORKING AND WE’RE WORKING ON INTENTIONALLY IDENTIFYING BACKUPS BEFORE EACH OF THE ANALYSTS SO IF ONE ANALYST IS RECEIVING A HIGH VOLUME OF FISCAL NOTES SOMEONE ELSE CAN STEP IN AND ASSIST THEM AND WE MAY NEXT SUMMER ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED AFTER YEAR OF EXPERIENCE. >>OK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON AND MISS WEBER. I WOULD SAY ALSO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION WHETHER TO DO THIS OR HAVE EVERYONE BE A GENERALIST AND THIS WAS ENABLING THEM TO FOCUS AND BECOME MORE AND EXPERT IN A PARTICULAR AREA BUT IT’S YOUR UNDERSTANDING EVERYONE WOULD BE TRAINED IN SUCH A WAY THEY CAN HELP OUT IN ANY AREA IT IS THAT CORRECT? >>MADAM CHAIR THAT IS CORRECT. >>ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MEMBERS? REPRESENTATIVE VOGEL. >>THANK YOU THANK YOU MISS WEBER FOR THE FINE JOB YOU HAVE DONE. IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAD TO DO THIS I’M CURIOUS YOU TOUCHED ON REVIEWING THE FISCAL NOTES THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY DONE FOR LEGISLATION THAT ALREADY PASSED AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED AT ONE TIME IN THE PAST WAS LOOKING AT THAT TO SEE HOW AN ACTUAL WAY CAME OUT RELATIVE TO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY ARE PROJECTIONS. I’M CURIOUS I NOTE YOUR GROIN SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN TRAINING AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF GETTING UP TO DATE ON EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE TO DO, ARE YOU ALSO PLANNING ON TAKING A LOOK AT SYMBOLS FISCAL NOTES FROM EITHER THIS PAST SESSION OR THE SESSION BEFORE AND NOW THERE’S INFORMATION WITH THE ACTUAL COSTS RELATIVE TO THE PROJECTED COSTS WILL LOOK AT DOING AN ANALYSIS ON THAT, IF SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE SHARING OR LOOKING AT MORE FROM A TRADING STANDPOINT? >>MADAM CHAIR END REPRESENTATIVE VOGEL THAT’S ONE OF THE ACTIVITIES WERE ANTICIPATING BEING ENGAGED IN THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IN THE INTERIM DURING THESE FIRST SEVERAL MONTHS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND CREATION OF ALLEGES THAT THE BUDGET OFFICE WE’RE FOCUSING MORE ON ENSURING THE ANALYSTS HAD ENOUGH EXPERTISE AND KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE FISCAL NOTES THAT THEY WILL SEE IT DURING THE UPCOMING SESSION. I WANTED TO INTENTIONALLY MAKE SURE WE WERE FOCUSED ON THAT CORE FUNCTION OF ANALYZING THE FISCAL NOTES AND GETTING THAT KNOWLEDGE BUT IN THE FUTURE IN THE INTERIM THAT’S OUR PLAN FOR ACTIVITY WE WILL ENGAGE IN TO LOOK AT PREVIOUS LEGISLATION AND SEE IF AN ANALYSIS CAN BE DONE ON THE COST AFTER IMPLEMENTATION. >>THANK YOU MISS WEBER REPRESENTATIVE VOGEL? ANYONE ELSE?.? . OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS THE PRIORITIZATION CRITERIA FOR REVENUE ESTIMATES. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. >>THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR I’M ERIC WILL LET THE DIRECTOR OF TAX RESEARCH AT THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE. WITH ME ARE THE TWO TAX FISCAL ANALYSTS.>>CYNTHIA TEMPLIN HOUSE FISCAL.>>J. WILLLMS SENATE FISCAL. >>IT’S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE WE APPRECIATE THAT WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PRESENTATION. >>THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR YOU SHOULD ADD A TWO PAGE HANDOUT WHICH I WILL REFER TO IN A BIT BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION WE WERE ASKED TO COME AND TALK WITH YOU ABOUT HOW THE PROCESS WORKS FOR THE CREATION OF REVENUE ESTIMATES WHICH ARE SIMILAR TO FISCAL NOTES BUT ARE DONE SEPARATELY. THE NEW ESTIMATES ARE PREPARED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE FOUR BILLS THAT CHANGE TAX LAWS AND THEREFORE THE TAX COMMITTEE IT IS OUR PRIMARY AUDIENCE SO WEAK IN THE REVENUE ESTIMATES ESTIMATES THE CHANGE IN TAX REVENUES FOR THE STATE’S LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND THE PROPERTY TAX AREAS THAT ARE CONSIDERED TAX RELATED AIDS AND CREDITS. WHILE FISCAL NOTES IN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE FOCUSED ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE ESTIMATES FOCUS ON THE CHANGE IN THE ACTUAL REVENUES THAT ARE BROUGHT INTO THIS STATE GENERAL FUND AND OTHER FUNDS FROM TAXES. THESE REVENUE ESTIMATES ARE SOMETHING WE HAVE A STAFF WHO LIKE YOUR NEW STAFF SPECIALIZE IN VARIOUS TAXES SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THE BILLS THAT ARE PRESENTED. THE TAX RESEARCH DIVISION AND THE PROPERTY-TAX RESEARCH UNITS PREPARE BETWEEN THE 400-600 REVENUE ESTIMATES OF THE COURSE OF THIS SESSION THERE IS A TABLE IN YOUR HANDOUT THAT SHOWS THAT DISTRIBUTION. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TODAY IS TALK A LITTLE ABOUT HOW THOSE REQUESTS THOSE ESTIMATES GET REQUESTED AND THEN HOW WE PRIORITIZE OUR WORK DURING SESSION. BY WAY OF CONTEXT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE TAX RESEARCH UNITS BECAUSE WE DO REVENUE ESTIMATES AS OUR PRIMARY ACTIVITY DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION BUT WE ALSO PROVIDE A LOT OF OTHER REPORTS AND DATA AND RESPOND TO REQUESTS FROM THE MEDIA AND OTHER AGENCIES IN THE LEGISLATURE. WE ARE SORT OF A RESOURCE FOR UNDERSTANDING TAXES FOR THE POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WITH THAT I WILL TURN OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES TO TALK ABOUT HALL THE REQUESTS PROCESS WORKS. >>MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS, THE REQUEST PROCESS IN THE HOUSE IS THE PROCESS OF COMMUNICATION OF THE STAFF AND HOUSE RESEARCH STAFF OFTEN MEET WITH THE TAX CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE ADMINISTRATORS ON A WEEKLY BASIS AND DURING THESE STAFF MEETINGS AND THERE’S COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE UPCOMING AGENDA OF FOR THE WEEK I HAD OR MAYBE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AHEAD OF LOOKING OUT INTO THE SCHEDULE. AS A FISCAL ANALYST WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION ABOUT HOUSE BILLS THAT WILL BE HEARD DURING COMMITTEES AND WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION BACK AND THE INFORMATION WE CAN SHARE WE COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE TAX RESEARCH THE TAX RESEARCH DIVISION WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE TO CONVEY THAT WE WILL NEED ESTIMATES FOR BILLS IN THE FUTURE AND WE GIVE THEM A LIST TO THE EXTENT THE TAX CHAIR AND COMMITTEE ADMINISTRATOR OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WE CAN SHARE. WHEN WE DO COMMUNICATE THIS INFORMATION WE PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO BILLS THAT REQUIRE DATA REQUIRING NEW DATA THAT THE COMMITTEE HASN’T SEEN BEFORE AND THAT MAY TAKE THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE TIME TO RESEARCH AND DIG UP. THAT IS A QUICK OVERVIEW OF KIND OF THE STEPS WE TAKE WHEN WE HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE AGENDA IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATING BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT. ALONG WITH THAT THERE ARE OFTEN BILLS THAT ARE HEARD WHERE THERE ARE KIND TAXED FOR EXAMPLE OF THERE’S A SALES- TAX EXEMPTION FOR A COMMUNITY IS THE CONTACT WITH IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT WILL HAVE FISCAL INFORMATION THAT WE PASS ALONG TO THE DEPARTMENT TO HELP THEM WITH THE REVENUE ESTIMATE. THERE’S A GOOD EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE COMMITTEE AND THE TAX RESEARCH DIVISION TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR ANALYSIS. >>THANK YOU MISS TEMPLIN MR. WILLLMS. >>WHEN YOU TESTIFY IF YOU WOULD LEAN INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. >>MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS FOLLOWING MISS TEMPLIN SHE MENTIONED WE SERVE AS AN INFORMATIONAL LIAISON BETWEEN MEMBERS FOR ME IN THE SENATE SPECIFICALLY THE COMMITTEE CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE ADMINISTRATOR HOWATT WORK MOST CLOSELY WITH PROVIDING A HEADS UP TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AS FAR AS WHAT’S GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH THE PIPELINE SPECIFIC DAYS ON THE SCHEDULE THAT MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE OR INSTANCE. COMMITTEE TENDS TO GROUP PROPOSALS AND A CERTAIN FASHION TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO DIG IN ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE FOR INSTANCE WILL HAVE A DAY DEVOTED TO CERTAIN INCOME-TAX EXPENDITURES OR HAVE A DAY DEVOTED TO TAX INCREMENT FINANCING IN CASES LIKE THOSE WE NEED TO PROVIDE AS MUCH HEADS UP AS POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD BE ON THE SCHEDULE COMING UP BECAUSE IT CREATES A CERTAIN SORT OF A BOTTLENECK IN TERMS OF PROPOSALS THAT I WILL DEAL WITH CERTAIN THINGS. BASICALLY WE’RE WORKING ON BOTH A SORT OF ROLES PROVIDING INFORMATION FROM THE ZERO ARE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND THE CHAIR AND COMMITTEE ADMINISTRATORS AND THEN TO DEAL ARE ABOUT WHAT A PRIORITY TO THE EXTENT WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. WILLLMS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >>MADAM CHAIR JUST TO FOLLOW WHAT, THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE FISCAL STAFF AND COSTS IS CRITICAL TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE OUR WORKLOAD AND IN AS MUCH THEY’RE ABLE TO GIVE US A HEADS UP BECAUSE THE STAFF ARE SPECIALIZED AREAS AND INCOME-TAX CREDIT DAY AS A LOT OF BILLS SETTER IN THE SAME SUBJECT WE MAY ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF STAFF OR ABLE TO PREPARE THOSE REVENUE ESTIMATES FOR THE MORE HEADS UP WE GET THE MORE WE CAN WORK I HAD AND IT’S OBVIOUSLY OFTEN THE CASE THE AGENDAS WILL CHANGE BUT EVEN THAT HAS UP GIVEN SOME OF THE BILLS WE PREPARE ALL TO THE LIARD HEARD IT STILL SAVES TIME AND HELPS US TO MANAGE OUR WORK LOAD MORE EFFECTIVELY. I SHOULD ALSO MENTION WE ALSO RECEIVE CONFIDENTIAL REQUESTS ON THROUGH THE FISCAL STAFF AND SOME FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OR OTHER REQUEST YEARS I WILL GET TO THE PRIORITIZATION IN A MOMENT THE CONFIDENTIAL REQUEST WE ALSO HAVE TO WEAVE INTO OUR WORK LOAD AND OFTENTIMES SOME OF THE MOST COMPLICATED AND NEW AND DIFFICULT REVENUE ESTIMATES START AS CONFIDENTIAL REQUESTS AND THEN MAYBE COME IN INTRODUCED BILL SO IT BECOMES PART OF THE PUBLIC REVENUE ESTIMATE PROCESS. THAT CAN BE HELPFUL BECAUSE IT GIVES US TIME TO TALK WITH THE AUTHOR OR THROUGH THE FISCAL STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE WE’RE PROVIDING IS DOING WHAT THE AUTHOR INTENDED TO DO AND TO HELP THEM GET A PROPOSED BILL INTO SHAPE PRIOR TO INTRODUCTION AND IN MOST CASES ON THE REVENUE ESTIMATES ITS NEARLY READY TO GO AT THE TIME OF INTRODUCTION AND THAT CAN MAKE FOR A SMOOTHER PROCESS. IF THERE AREN’T ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT I CAN TALK ABOUT THE PRIORITIZATION LIST AND HOW WE PRIORITIZE OUR WORK. >>FOR HAD IT ANY QUESTIONS? >>I’M NOT SURE THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME? I DID HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU OR MISS TEMPLIN FROM HOUSE SIDE I’M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS ON THE TAX COMMITTEES SINCE 1973 BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE I DID TAKE A BREAK FOR A FEW YEARS. AT ANY RATE I DO KNOW SOMETIMES NEGOTIATIONS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU’RE PUTTING THE OMNIBUS BILLS TOGETHER AND I’M TALKING ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS ON TAX COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE BILL BEFORE WOULD BE REFERRED TO WAYS AND MEANS WHEN THE BILL IS BEING PUT TOGETHER HOW DO YOU HANDLE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE CAN BE VERY SIGNIFICANT AND THEY CAN COME IN VERY LATE IN THE PROCESS AS NEGOTIATIONS TAKE PLACE. MAYBE THAT’S A QUESTION FOR MISS TEMPLIN BUT SOMETIMES THOSE NEGOTIATIONS ARE CONFIDENTIAL YOU TOUCHED ON THAT AS WELL BUT SOMETIMES THEY’RE VERY LAST MINUTE AS WE TRY TO PUT TOGETHER IN EITHER CAUCUS WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS A BILL THAT WILL PASS MUSTER WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. >>MADAM CHAIR END REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON THE AMENDMENTS WE TREAT THEM LIKE BILLS THAT ARE BEING INTRODUCED AT THE LAST MINUTE BASICALLY A THERE’S LANGUAGE WE WILL TRY TO BALLPARK ESTIMATE TO GO WITH THE LANGUAGE. THEN YOU HAVE INVESTMENT AND IF WE CAN’T DO THAT THEN WE GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IF THE AUTHOR OF THE AMENDMENT IS OK WITH THAT WE SHARE THE LANGUAGE WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND WE TRY TO GET AN ESTIMATE FOR THE LANGUAGE THAT COULD BE USED FOR CONSIDERATION INTO AN OMNIBUS BILL. >>THANK YOU MISS TEMPLIN, REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON. >>I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DEPART AS WELL ON THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY PART OF THE PROCESS I’M TALKING ABOUT THE LAST MINUTE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE REACHED AND WE ALL KNOW SOMETIMES MAJOR AMENDMENTS NOT THAT THE ISSUES HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD MAYBE THAT PLAYS INTO THIS FISCAL KNOW PROCESS AS WELL FOR YOU SIMPLY MASAI’S SOMETIMES THERE WILL THE NEW ADDITIONS OR MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS. >>MADAM CHAIR END REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON THE MARKET PROCESS IS AMONG THE MOST CHALLENGING BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF REQUESTS TO GET AND THE TIME SENSITIVITY I WOULD REITERATE YOU MENTIONED THE CONFIDENTIALITY THAT CAN BE HELPFUL IF ONE SIDE AS A PROPOSAL THAT THEY WANT TO GET AN ESTIMATE ON BEFORE THEY DECIDE WHETHER THEY’RE GOING TO PRESENT IT IN NEGOTIATIONS, WE HAVE A LONGSTANDING PRACTICE WHERE BOTH THAT ADDS UP WE GET ON THE HEARING SCHEDULES AND THE AMENDMENTS IN CERTAIN INSTANCES CAN BE CONFIDENTIAL AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN THIS CONTEXT IS ONLY THE TAX RESEARCH STAFF IS AWARE OF THE INFORMATION. SOMETIMES WE NEED TO TALK TO ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS TO MAKE SURE WE STAND THIS BUT WE ALWAYS ASK PERMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT’S ACCEPTABLE SO WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP THAT WITHIN THE RESEARCH STAFF SO WHEN NEGOTIATIONS ARE SENSITIVE YOU CAN TRUST YOU CAN GET INFORMATION FROM MOSS WITHOUT HAVING THAT INFORMATION SHARED WITH THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENT. BALANCING THE WORKLOAD IS A CHALLENGE AND MAKE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZATION BECAUSE I THINK THAT PLAYS INTO HOW WE HANDLE CERTAIN INSTANCES OF THE MARKUP AND THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEES. IN YOUR HANDOUT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE IS A LIST OF WE SHARE WITH STAFF HOUSE AND SENATE STAFF EACH YEAR SO PRIOR TO SESSION WE HAD MEETINGS WITH BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE STAFF TO INCLUDE BOTH PARTISAN AND NON-PARTISAN TAX STAFF IN THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE PRIORITIZE WORK AND ON THE BACK IS ANOTHER PAGE WE SHARE WITH THEM WITCHE” TIPS ON HOW TO MAKE THINGS WORK AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE AND IT’S REALLY ABOUT MAINTAIN GOOD COMMUNICATION AND ENSURE WE CAN BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE IN PREPARING REVENUE ESTIMATES. THE PRIORITIZATION LIST WHICH HAS REMAINED BASICALLY UNCHANGED FOR MY WHOLE TIME IN THIS PROCESS WHICH IS 12 YEARS OR SO I DON’T THINK IT’S IT’S BEEN LONGSTANDING SINCE BEFORE THAT OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS BILL SCUTTLED FOR HEARINGS AND THAT IS TO BRING IN THE TRADITIONAL FISCAL KNOW PROCESS WHAT TRIGGERS OUR WORK IS ASSIGNED FROM THE TAX COMMITTEES THAT THEY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT A PROPOSAL AND HOLDING A HEARING ON THAT’S THE NUMBER ONE WAY WE PRIORITIZE OUR WORK LOAD IS TO SAY IT AS A HEARING SCHEDULED AND THE CHAIR IS STAFF TELLS US AS ONE TO BE SCHEDULED AND THAT ELEVATES IT TO THE MOST PRESSING THING TO WORK ON AT THE TIME. >>. THAT ALONG WITH A BILL THAT’S SCHEDULED FOR HEARING WOULD ALSO BE GIVEN THAT NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AS DIRECTED BY COMMITTEE STAFF? IN OTHER WORDS THEY’RE ANTICIPATING AMENDMENTS.>>MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS YES ESPECIALLY IF IT’S AN AUTHOR’S AMENDMENT THAT THE AUTHOR IS PLANNING TO AMEND THE FIRST THING IN THE HEARING THEN WE TREAT THAT AS GETTING THE BILL AND THE SHAPE ITS COIN TO BE PRESENTED SO THAT BECOMES THE BILL WE ARE ANALYZING AND WE WILL PREPARE REVENUE ESTIMATES WITH A NOTE THAT SAYS AS PROPOSED AMENDMENT BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED GET WE WILL USE THE AMENDMENT NO. WE’RE GIVEN WHEN THE LANGUAGE OF THE AMENDMENT IS SENT SOMETIMES THE AMENDMENT IS IN WRITTEN IT FOR THE ORAL SO WE LEAVE IT AS PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT NO.. THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF TRUST INVOLVED THERE WITH ONE HAPPEN THE WAY IT’S AS IN THE PAST AND IT’S WORKED WELL FOR US THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING PREPARED BY OTHERS TO AMEND THE BILL IF WE HAVE TIME WE CAN PREPARE THOSE FOR HEARING BUT THAT WOULDN’T BE THAT WOULD BE A SECONDARY PRIORITY OF GETTING THE BILL ESTIMATED AS THE AUTHOR IS INTENDING. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE. >>SECOND AND OUR PRIORITY LIST IS THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE THE COMMISSIONER AND ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WORKS WELL FOR US WITH THE GOVERNOR’S BUDGET PUT TOGETHER EARLIER THAN THE TAX OMNIBUS BILL SO WE’RE NOT TRYING TO JUGGLE ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME ALL THERE CAN BE OVERLAPS WITH TAX COMMITTEE HEARINGS AND WORKING FOR THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE BUT THERE ARE BILLS SCHEDULED FOR HEARING WE DO PRIORITIZE THOSE FIRST THAN THE SECOND WOULD BE WORKING FOR THE COMMISSIONER’S OFFICE AND THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE. NEXT IN LINE WOULD BE OF A REQUEST FROM THE COMMITTEE THE TAX COMMITTEE MAY BE A BILL IS INSTEAD OF FOR HEARING YET BUT THEY WANT IT TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO GIVE A HEARING OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD IN THE PRIORITY LIST IF THE STAFF HAVE A REQUEST EITHER DATA OR LANGUAGE THEY’RE WORKING ON GENERALLY IT’S FOR REMEMBER BUT THEY WOULD BE NEXT ON THE LIST AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE NON PARTISAN STAFF AND THEN THE PARTISAN STAFF REQUEST WOULD COME AFTER THAT. INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATORS BUT HAVEN’T GOT IT SETTLED FOR A HEARING WOULD COME NEXT. FISCAL NOTES COME AFTER THAT SO TRADITIONALLY THERE’S BEEN A SPACE IN THE FISCAL NOTES FOR A TAX BILL THAT INCLUDES A BOX FOR THE NUMBERS THAT GO INTO REVENUE ESTIMATE SO THE DEADLINE FOR FISCAL NOTES IS OFTEN DIFFERENT FROM THE DEADLINE FOR REVENUE ESTIMATES, IT HAS A DEADLINE THAT EARLIER THAT A BILL SCHEDULED FOR HEARING SO WE LIKE TO HAVE THE REVENUE ESTIMATE NUMBERS INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL KNOW WHEN THEY’RE LOOKING AT FISCAL NOTES SO WE ACCOMMODATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BUT THAT IS SECONDARY TO OUR PRIORITY OF SERVING THE TAX COMMITTEE SO WE FILL THOSE BLANKS WHEN POSSIBLE AND WE DO PRETTY WELL WITH THAT BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IT’S PRETTY FAR DOWN ON THE PRIORITY LIST. I SHOULD SAY A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF OUR WORK I COULDN’T PUT A NUMBER TO THAT MOST OF OUR WORKERS IN THE FIRST THREE OF THE PROPERTY LISTED ELEMENTS AND THE FISCAL NOTES. THEN ONCE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THE OFFICIAL CHANNELS OF THE LEGISLATION THEN WE GET TO OTHERS WHO MAY BE INVOLVED IN THE POLICY PROCESS BUT AREN’T OF THE LEGISLATURE OR THE ADMINISTRATION WHEN THEY GIVE US REQUESTS WE WILL WORK ON THOSE AS WE ARE ABLE BUT THEY ARE LOWER PRIORITIES FROM BUSINESS ASSOCIATION OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AS SOMETHING THEY’RE WORKING ON AND WHAT INFORMATION FROM MOSS WE WILL ACCOMMODATE THAT WHEN WE CAN GET TO THAT. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON. >>OF FOLLOW-UP ON THAT AS WELL. YOU MENTIONED THE ORGANIZATIONS, A COUPLE OF GROUPS MAY INTERACT WITH THE LEGISLATURE. WE ARE HAVE TO TURN THE SWITCHES ON AND OFF. I’M INTERESTED IN IT CLEAR TO ME AT LEAST WHAT SOME OF THE KEY OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS WOULD BE THEN YOU HAVE OTHER OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS AND I’M INTERESTED IN THE SAMPLE AS TO WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE AND MY FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS DO THEY PAY FEED? IS THERE SOME COST TO PUTTING TOGETHER A REVENUE NOTE IF THIS GROUP HAS THE FISCAL KNOW SO IF YOU COULD COMMENT ON THAT. >>MADAM CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON THE NO. 8 AND 9 ARE BASICALLY BEEN WRITTEN THAT WAY FOR A LEAST 12 YEARS THERE REALLY ISN’T A DISTINCTION A MEANINGFUL DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE KEY ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ANYMORE I WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU THE LANGUAGE AS WE SHARED WITH LEGISLATIVE STAFF THAT THOSE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES COULD BE ONE WE DON’T CHARGE FOR REVENUE HELPING PREPARE REVENUE ESTIMATES FOR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, WE FEEL IF THEY’RE INVOLVED IN THE POLICY PROCESS IN GAUGING THE LEGISLATURE AND WE’RE MEETING OUR HIGHER PRIORITY OBLIGATIONS WE’RE HELPING THE POLICY PROCESS BY ASSISTING ORGANIZATIONS AND GETTING THEIR PROPOSALS IN SHAPE. THE GROUP’S THREE PROBABLY MOST OFTEN COMMUNICATE WITH OUR THE CENTER FOR FISCAL ANALYSTS THE CHAMBER IN THE BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP, THE COUNCIL OF NONPROFITS, THE BUDGET PROJECT, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE ONES THAT OF THE MOST FREQUENT CONTACTS BUT I HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH OUR LOGS TO SEE WHO ELSE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATIONS ON THE PROPERTY TAX SIDE THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND THOSE SORTS OF ORGANIZATIONS. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE REPRESENT OF CARLSON. >>I WAS CURIOUS IF THERE WERE SPLIT OUT ” WASN’T SURE WHAT THAT MEANT. IT WOULD BE CLEAR THE STAFF OF SOME OF THOSE GROUPS WHO FREQUENTLY INTERACT AND THE KIRBY THROUGH ME WAS WHEN I LOOKED AT THE OTHER OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS THANK YOU.>>MADAM CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON I SHOULD SAY WE DID A REQUESTS AND INFORMATION REQUESTS THAT AREN’T DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. THOSE ARE YEAR ROUND SOMETIMES FROM THE MEDIA SOMETIMES FROM ACADEMIA AND FROM OTHER STATES, WE PRIORITIZE THOSE WE DO A LOT OF THAT BUT WE PRIORITIZE THOSE A LOT LOWER DURING THE SESSION AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY’RE NOT TIME SENSITIVE WILL OFTEN TELL REQUEST YEARS THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION FOR JUNE THAT NOT A QUESTION FOR MARCH. WE’VE BEEN COMMITTED TO OUR WORKLOAD TO SOME DEGREE IN THAT WAY. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE. MR. MARKS. >>THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND MR. WILLETTE, I ASSUME THIS PRIORITIZATION IS REALLY BY TAX TOPIC AREA OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE TERM WOULD BE THAT YOU MIGHT BE WORKING ON BILLS SCHEDULED FOR THE COMMITTEE ON INCOME TAXES BUT YOU MIGHT BE DOWN SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE PRIOR TO LAST ON PROPERTY TAXES OR MINERAL TAXES ARE SOMETHING DEPENDING ON WHO WAS WORKING ON AT. IT’S NOT THAT EVERY BILL YOU’RE WORKING ON IS GOING TO BE IN ONE OF THESE ITEMS? >>MADAM CHAIR AND MR. MARX THAT IS CORRECT WE HAVE STAFF THAT SPECIALIZE THEY COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PRIORITIZATION LIST OF THE ECONOMY BILLS FOR HEARING ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON OTHER THINGS. AS MISS WEBER SAID ABOUT HER STAFF WE ALSO DO TRY TO DO CROSS TRAINING OR POSSIBLE TO GIVE OURSELVES FLEXIBILITY WHEN THERE IS AN OVERLOAD IN ONE AREA. ON RARE OCCASION BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE TAX BILLS THE COMMITTEES DECIDED ONE HAVE HEARING ON THE SAME TAX TYPE ON THE SAME DAY IN THOSE INSTANCES THEN IT’S ALL HANDS ON DECK TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CANNOT MANAGE THESE TAXES ARE VERY COMPLICATED AND SO CROSS TRAINING IS NOT PLAUSIBLE. PART OF THE FEEDBACK LOOP THAT HELPS US TO OUR WORK IS A LITTLE BIT OF EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT AND THE FISCAL STAFF ARE CRITICAL FOR THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE’RE FRANK WITH THE FISCAL STAFF THAT WE DON’T THINK WE CAN GET ALL OF THESE BILLS DONE IN TIME AND SOMETIMES AGENDA’S A CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE WHEN SPECIAL IF THERE’S A REALLY BIG NEW PROPOSAL SOMETHING WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF WORK THAN WE HAVE INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE BILL IS ON SCHEDULE TO SAY WERE BORN TO NEED A FEW WEEKS ON THIS OR SOMETHING AND THAT WORKS WELL EARLY IN SESSION OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GET TO THE MARKET OF THE OMNIBUS BILLS WE DON’T HAVE THAT LUXURY AND WE HAVE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH OURS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE MR. MARX? >>MADAM CHAIR I’VE ANOTHER QUESTION BUT IT’S ON THE CHART IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS ON THE PRIORITIES? >>WILL GO AHEAD THEM WITH QUESTIONS. >>THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR MY QUESTION IS THE FEES THAT ARE RELATED TO TAXES WHO HANDLES THAT? >>MADAM CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE NOOR THESE REDUNDANT TO THE FISCAL NOTE PROCESS RATHER THAN PROCESS WE ESTIMATE REVENUE CHANGES FOR CHANGES IN TAX LAW THERE IS SOME GRAY AREA BETWEEN WHAT IS A FEE AND WHAT IS THE TAX, OR THE MANY YEARS WORKING WITH MMB AND NOW WITH THE NEW LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE IF THERE ARE NEW THINGS THAT COME UP WITH A LITTLE HARD TO TELL WHETHER IT’S A FEE OR TAX WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MISS WEBER AND HER STAFF AND FIGURE OUT BASED ON PRECEDENTS AND SIMILARITIES TO OTHER THINGS IS IT MORE APPROPRIATE TO HANDLE AS A TAX OR FEE? >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE. MR. MARKS. >>FOLLOW-UP REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON. >>THIS IS A BASIC ONE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TAX THESE, I HAD A BIG DEBATE WITH THE CARLSON ADMINISTRATION YEARS AGO ON WHAT A TAX OR FEE WOULD BE HOW’D YOU DEFINE A TAX? >>MADAM CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON WE GENERALLY DO IT BASED ON WHAT CHAPTER OF STATUTE THERE IN CHAPTERS 270 THROUGH 278 I THINK OR TO 98 ARE THE TAX STATUTES AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AIDES OR FOR MOSTLY IN FORCED BUT THERE’S A FEW IN SOME OTHER CHAPTERS. I’M NOT SURE HOW FORMALLY THAT’S BEEN ASSIGNED BUT THAT FITS THE PROFILE OF HOW WE’VE DONE IT FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS AND I THINK IT’S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT MUCH LONGER BACK FOR BACK. IF SOMETHING IS CALLED A TAX AND LOOKS LIKE A TAX AND THE INITIAL DRAFT PUT IT IN ANOTHER CHAPTER WILL STILL PROBABLY LOOK AT IT LIKE IT IS A TAX AND TOUCH BASE NEVER CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE WE’RE IN AGREEMENT. >>MADAM CHAIR IT’S NOT TOO DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY WE LOOK AT IN THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE THE LEGISLATION THAT COMES IN ON THE WHICH DIVISION IT WOULD BE REFERRED TO THAT’S HOW THE TAX COMMITTEE OPERATES THE SAME WAY. AT ANY RATE I WON’T REITERATE MY DEBATE WITH THE CARLSON ADMINISTRATION THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY ALONG DEBATE MANY SESSIONS ARE OFTEN A DEBATE ON TAXES AND FEES. MR. MARKS. >>THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. MR. WILLETTE WILL COMMENT ON THE CHART IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE THE POINT WAS GOING TO MAKE HERE I WASN’T AWARE OF HOW MANY CONFIDENTIAL REQUEST ARE ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO FISCAL NOTES. I THINK THAT’S INTERESTING AND CONSTRUCTIVE FOR THE FISCAL NOTE PROCESS IN THE FUTURE I DON’T KNOW THE NUMBER OF CONFIDENTIAL FISCAL NOTES IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO I SUSPECT IT’S 20 OR UNDER AND THAT GREATLY DIFFERENT THAN THE NUMBER FOR THE REVENUE ESTIMATES ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE RATIO CONFIDENTIAL ONCE THE PUBLIC ONCE IN SOME YEARS THERE MORE CONFIDENTIAL ONCE THAT THERE ARE PUBLIC ONCE. >>THANK YOU MR. MARKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT I DID NOTICE THAT AS WELL I THINK SOMETIMES FOR THE MOST PART I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE THE AWARENESS OF THE FACT YOU CAN HAVE A CONFIDENTIAL FISCAL NOTE SO MAYBE ONCE THEY KNOW MORE THAT IT’S ACTUALLY AN OPTION TO USE WE MIGHT FIND THAT HAPPENING A LITTLE MORE. THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU HOW DO YOU HANDLE CONFIDENTIAL REVENUE ESTIMATES? WHAT IS THE PROCESS BY WOULD EXPECT REQUESTS BECOME THROUGH THE SAME CHANNEL AS ANY OTHER REQUEST EXCEPT WITH IT WOULD COME OUT THE FACT IT WOULD BE A CONFIDENTIAL REQUEST. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT? MISS TEMPLIN? >>MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS WHEN WE RECEIVED A CONFIDENTIAL REQUESTS WE ASK THE MEMBER IF WE CAN’T BALLPARK ESTIMATE WE ASK THE MEMBER IF WE CAN PROVIDE THE LANGUAGE OR DRAFT BILL LANGUAGE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE TO HELP US GET THE LAST OF THAT. THE MEMBER AGREES AND WE DO NOT FLAG THE ESTIMATE AS CONFIDENTIAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE WHEN WE SUBMIT THIS CONFIDENTIAL REQUEST IS THAT THE ANALYSIS OF THAT ESTIMATE WILL STAY WITHIN THE TAX RESEARCH DIVISION WHICH MEANS THEY WON’T GO TALK TO THE COMMISSIONER’S OFFICE ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL OR THERE WON’T GO TALK TO THE AUDITING DIVISION THAT THEIR ANALYSIS WILL STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THAT DIVISION. EVENTUALLY WE DO OBTAIN A REVENUE ESTIMATE AND WHEN WE GET THAT REVENUE ESTIMATE IT’S JUST SENT THE ANALYST AND LIKE MYSELF AND I DO SEND IT TO THE ESTIMATE TO THE REQUESTED THE MEMBER WHO IS REQUESTING IN THE HOUSE DIRECTLY IT’S NOT POSTED ON THE WEB SITE AND A MEMBER IN DOESN’T GET IT DIRECTLY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE. >>THANK YOU MISS TEMPLIN MR. WILLETTE. >>MADAM CHAIR I WOULD ADD IT’S IMPORTANT UNDER REQUEST IS CONFIDENTIAL THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE TO GIVE CAVEATS IN REVENUE ESTIMATES THAT THE NUMBERS COULD CHANGE WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO TALK TO THE TAXING DIVISION OR LAWYERS OR WHATEVER TO MAKE SURE WE’RE FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSALS SO THERE’S A DOWNSIDE TO HAVING IT COMPLETELY CONFIDENTIAL AND SOMETIMES WE WILL ASK OR TELL THE FISCAL STAFF IF WE’RE ALLOWED TO SHARE WITH STAFF OF THE COMMISSIONER’S OFFICE WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER THAT’S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU INTRODUCE THE BILL WOULD GET A FORMAL HEARING BECAUSE WE KNOW A LOT IN TAX RESEARCH BUT WE DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE DEPARTMENT BETTER CRITICAL TO PUTTING INVESTMENT AS ACCURATELY AS POSSIBLE. >>THANK YOU MR. IT WILL LET MR. WILLLMS. >>I THINK THAT’S BEEN SUMMARIZED REALLY WELL I THINK THERE’S BEEN SOME LOCATIONS WHERE I’VE TAKEN A CHOICE TO ASK YOUR AUTHOR OR THE PERSON REQUESTING IT COULD BE PRELIMINARY OR WE COULD GO TO ANOTHER PART ON THE SIDE OF RESEARCH FOR MORE INFORMATION THAT USUALLY IS UP TO THE AUTHOR TO DECIDE I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS WITHIN THE RESEARCH AGENCY AND THEN IN A PRELIMINARY NUMBER OR WE WANT THE BEST NUMBER POSSIBLE AND THEY WILL GO DOWN THAT PATH FREQUENTLY I’VE SEEN THAT. >>THANK YOU. MR. YOU MR. NAUMAN. >>MADAM CHAIR AND MR. WILLETTE WHAT TO PRESS THIS POINT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU RECEIVE INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE HOUSE AND SENATE FISCAL STAFF THAT THEY WISH TO HAVE THE AUTHOR WISHES TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE MAINTAINED ON A CONFIDENTIAL BASIS YOU ASSIDUOUSLY HOLD TO THAT RESTRICTION AND BY A THAT HAVE A FAIR ASSUMPTION? >>MADAM CHAIR AND MR. NAUMAN THAT IS CORRECT. >>COULD YOU RESTATE THAT MR. WILLETTE. >>MADAM CHAIR IF WE RECEIVE A REVENUE ESTIMATE REQUEST FROM LEGISLATIVE STAFF THAT IS MARKED AS CONFIDENTIAL THAN THAT THE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL STAYS WITHIN THE TAX RESEARCH OR PROPERTY-TAX RESEARCH UNIT IN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AND WITH A SEPARATE TRACKING SYSTEM FOR CONFIDENTIAL REQUESTS SO WE CAN MAINTAIN THOSE. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE WHEN YOU MENTION THE TRACKING SYSTEM DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE THE FISCAL NOTE SOFTWARE TRACKING SYSTEM DO YOU ALSO HAVE THAT FOR REVENUE ESTIMATES AS WELL? >>MADAM CHAIR WE DO BUT A LOT LESS SOPHISTICATED BECAUSE IT DOESN’T INVOLVE MULTIPLE AGENCIES IT’S MORE OF A WORKING TO LIST THERE’S TWO OF THEM ONE ON THE PROPERTY TAX RESEARCH DIVISION AND ONE IN THE TAX RESEARCH DIVISION MAINTAINED IT’S MORE OF A WORK FOR MANAGEMENT LIST THAT A SOPHISTICATED SYSTEM. >>THANK YOU MR. WILL LET MR. WILLLMS. >>MADAM CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS I THINK SOME OF THE AND I ARE BOTH AWARE OF OUR PROCESSES INSTEAD OF TRACKING THE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE VARIOUS REQUESTS INTO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE BOTH THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES AND THE RESEARCH DIVISION, I WILL KEEP ALL THE MY REQUEST ON THE SPREADSHEET WHEN I MADE THE REQUEST INFORMATION ABOUT THE REQUEST, I TRACKED IT THAT WAY PERSONALLY AS OPPOSED TO USING THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE OR MMB FISCAL NOTE TRACKING SYSTEM I WILL USE A SEPARATE SYSTEM AND TO SUBMIT THE REQUEST WE USE A DIGITAL PORTAL TO SUBMIT THAT. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLLMS. >>ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE VOGEL. >>THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AS LONG AS WE AREN’T TACTICAL THINGS HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE ON THAT NUMBER 13, IT SAYS REVENUE ESTIMATES MADE PRIOR TO THE FEBRUARY FORECAST MAY NEED TO BE UPDATED BUT A QUESTION AS ARE OTHER REVENUE FORECAST SUBJECT TO THE FORECAST OR ARE YOU DOING THEM SOMEONE INDEPENDENT LOOKING AT ALL ABOUT TAX AND THE REASON I SAY THAT OF COURSE IS BECAUSE OCCASIONALLY WE’VE HAD IN FACT THIS SESSION WHERE WE HAD THE FORECAST CAME OUT: THE REVENUE IS SURPASSING EVERY MONTH AND THEREFORE WE GET TOWARD THE END OF SESSION ARE YOU USING THAT REVENUE FORECAST AS YOUR BASELINE OR ARE YOU REACTING TO WHAT ACTUALLY GOING ON IN THE MARKET? >>MR. WILL LAST. >>MADAM CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE VOGEL WE DO USE THE MOST RECENT FORECAST AS THE BASELINE FOR REVENUE ESTIMATES SO IF WE DO WE HAVE MODELS FOR THE DIFFERENT TAX TYPES DIFFERENT TYPES OF MODELS FOR DIFFERENT TAXES, AND THE CASE OF INCOME TAXES WE HAVE A MICRO SIMULATION MODEL WITH A SAMPLE OF 40,000 TAX RETURNS BETTER FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS PREVIOUS BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO CLEAN THE DATA AND GET IT READY TO GO. THEN WE USE THE FORECAST FOR GROWING THAT MODEL INTO THE FORECAST WINDOW FOR USE IN 2016 THE INCOME TAX RETURNS DURING A SESSION THEN WE WILL USE THE MOST RECENT FORECAST TO GROW IN, AND OTHER PARTS OF THE MODEL FOR THE FORECAST WINDOW AND WHEN WE SWITCH FROM THE NOVEMBER FORECAST THE FEBRUARY FORECAST WE HAVE TO UPDATE THE MODEL AND FOR EXAMPLE IF WE HAVE INCOME- TAX CUT THAT WE ESTIMATED IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY FORECAST COMES OUT AND IN COME UP GROWTH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER IN THE FEBRUARY FORECAST THAN THE INCOME-TAX TAXES ARE EXPECTED THE HIGHER THE COST OF THE INCOME TAX CUT WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE NOW BECAUSE WILL UPDATED FOR THE EXTRA GROWTH THAT IS IN THE FEBRUARY FORECAST. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE REPRESENTATIVE VOGEL? >>I GUESS THE QUESTION WAS WHEN WE GOT INTO APRIL AND MAY THIS YEAR WE COULD SEE THE FORECAST REVENUE IN WAS ACTUALLY A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS COMING IN THE QUESTION WAS WAS THERE ANY TIME YOU WHAT IT JUST YOUR EXPECTATIONS RELATIVE TO WHAT’S ACTUALLY HAPPENING RATHER THAN RELYING ON THE FORECAST AS THE BASELINE? >>REP VOGEL I AGREE WITH THAT I THINK QUESTION I HAD WAS ARE YOU BEING DEPENDENT ON THE FISCAL FORECAST OR DOES THE FEBRUARY FORECAST TO DICTATE PARAMETERS THAT YOU HAVE TO STAY WITHIN? >>MADAM CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE VOGEL THANK YOU FOR THE FOLLOW-UP WE DO MAINTAIN CONNECTION TO THE MOST RECENT FORECAST. IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE POST FORECAST THAT WOULD GET PICKED UP IN THE FORECAST ADJUSTMENT IN THE FOLLOWING NOVEMBER IT WOULDN’T CHANGE THE REVENUE ESTIMATES. A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD SAY ABOUT IT IS A LONGSTANDING PRACTICE OF HAVING THE MOST RECENT FORECAST THE THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH WE’RE OPERATING UNDER BUT THERE’S A PRACTICAL POINT OF HAVING THIS PRIORITY LIST IT’S ALL WE CAN DO TO KEEP UP WITH IT IF WE ALSO HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR BASELINE FOR THE SESSION I’M THAT SURE WE WOULD HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY. I KNOW IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN THERE’S BEEN CONSIDERATION OF AN ADDITIONAL OFFICIAL FORECAST WHEN THERE’S BEEN SOME RADICAL CHANGE IF WE EVER GOT INTO A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH CHANGE IN WHAT GOING ON IN THE IN VARMINT THAT IT WAS CONTEMPLATED THEM A WE WOULD UPDATE THE NEW FORECAST BUT I THINK SHORT OF THAT WE WOULD SAY ROLL OVER TO THE PREVIOUS FORECAST. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON. >>MADAM CHAIR I THINK HE PERHAPS JUST ANSWERED THIS SUMMER WE HAD IT WITH THE BUDGET ACCOUNTS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS DEPENDENT ON THE MONTHLY REVENUE REPORTS AND MAY HAVE BEEN FUNDED BECAUSE REVENUE RAN I HAD. SO I’M CLEAR YOU DON’T WILL LOOK BACK YOU LOOK FORWARD TO THE NOVEMBER FORECAST TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS OR IF WE HAD INCREASES IN ENROLLMENT AND SOME OF OUR HUMAN SERVICES PROGRAMS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADJUSTED IN NOVEMBER FORECAST IS THAT CORRECT? >>MADAM CHAIR END REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON WITH REGARDS TO THE HUMAN SERVICES SPENDING THAT’S NOT IN MY BAILIWICK BUT MINOR STANDING IS YES THAT’S SORT OF STUFF GETS ADJUSTED IN THE FORECAST ON AN ONGOING BASIS. >>IN TERMS OF THE TAX SIDE THE PROGRAMS ARE REFERRED TO EARLIER THAT WOULD BE THE NOVEMBER FORECAST? >>MADAM CHAIR AND REPRESENT OF CARLSON THAT IS CORRECT ANYTHING THAT’S AS AN INDIRECT EFFECT ON TAX REVENUES NOT A CHANGE IN TAX LAW BUT A CHANGE IN THE UNDERLYING ECONOMY WE WOULD TREAT AS A FORECAST ISSUE NOT A REVENUE ISSUE. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE. MS. REITAN. >>MADAM CHAIR I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE THOSE THREE ITEMS THAT WERE BEING FUNDED OUT OF ANY BALANCED OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WAS PROJECTED AT THE END OF SESSION THOSE PREPARATIONS HAVE BEEN SET UP SO THEY’RE AVAILABLE OR THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE IN SOME CASES BY OCTOBER 15TH AND THOSE THAT SPENDING WILL GET REFLECTED IN A NOVEMBER FORECAST AS WELL AS THE REVENUE THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED OVER AND ABOVE THE FEBRUARY FORECAST ESTIMATES. WE WILL HAVE BUT CLOSING AMOUNT LAST FISCAL YEAR THAT OVER AND ABOVE THAT WE’RE PREVIOUSLY PROJECTED IN THAT WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE NOVEMBER FORECAST. >>THANK YOU MISS REITAN. MEMBERS I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING FOR ME THAT, MR. MARX? >>MADAM CHAIR I COULD WAIT ON THAT. A QUICK QUESTION RELATED TO THE REVENUE ESTIMATES WHEN YOU HAVE A REVENUE ESTIMATE AND THERE’S CORN TO BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE COST WHEN REVENUE IS GOING TO MODIFY SYSTEM WERE SET UP SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO MAKE IT WORK PARTY WOULD INDICATE IN ADDITION TO THE REVENUE CHANGE THE REVENUE ESTIMATE WOULD SHOW REVENUES GOING TO NEED $50,000 TO MODIFY THE SYSTEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD YOU PUT THAT IN THE REVENUE ESTIMATE HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT? >>MADAM CHAIR AND MR. MARKS THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THE NUMBERS THEMSELVES WOULD BE IDENTIFIED TO THE FISCAL KNOW PROCESS BUT ON THE REVENUE ESTIMATE WE DO HAVE A BOX THAT SAYS ANOTHER MINISTRY OF COSTS YES OR NO? UNLESS IT’S A CONFIDENTIAL REQUEST AND WE CAN’T TALK TO THE ATTACKS IN DIVISIONS WE WILL CHECK THE BOX TO INDICATE HE SHOULD PRODUCE A FISCAL NOTE BECAUSE AS MORE THAN JUST THE REVENUE IMPACT WITH THE LEGISLATION. >>THANK YOU MR. WILLETTE. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? >>I’M CHAIR COULD I WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE MR. MARX OBSERVATION ABOUT THE TABLE AND THE CONFIDENTIAL LAST METS. IT JUST TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS MANY OF A CONFIDENTIAL REQUESTS BECOME INTRODUCED BILLS AND THEN SHOW UP AGAIN IN THE PUBLIC REQUEST. IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THERE’S THAT MANY AGAIN COMPLETELY UNIQUE REQUESTS A LOT OF THESE ARE CLOSELY RELATED WERE HELPING A MEMBER REFINE THE PROPOSAL THROUGH SOME CONFIDENTIAL EXCHANGE THEN THE INTRODUCE THAT AND SCHEDULE IT FOR A HEARING. I WOULDN’T PUT TOO MUCH MEANING IN THE RATIO BETWEEN THE CONFIDENTIAL AND THE PUBLIC REQUESTS. >>THANK YOU MR. WILL LET WE APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ON THOSE NUMBERS IT’S VERY IMPORTANT. OK, ANYONE ELSE AT THIS POINT? I WAS GOING TO MENTION IN GENERAL THE TAX REVENUE OR DEFECTS AS SUCH IS A YEAR-ROUND ACTIVITY FOR YOU I THINK MOST FOLKS THINK OF IT AS ONLY DURING SESSION BUT AS WE HEARD FROM MS. WEBER THERE’S BEEN SOME FISCAL NO ACTIVITY ALREADY IN THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE. CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF HOW MUCH WORK GOES ON BETWEEN SESSIONS VS DURING THE SESSION? >>MATTER OF CHAIR AND MEMBERS REQUEST FOR REVENUE ESTIMATES DO DIE DOWN DURING THE SUMMER TIME WE GET A HANDLE HERE AND THERE PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS YEAR-ROUND. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS BETTER NECESSARY FOR OUR SESSION WORK THAT WITH TO DO DURING THE SUMMER AND FALL WE HAVE TO UPDATE ALL OF OUR MODELS TO A LOT OF DATA CLEANING AND THAT SORT OF THING WE ALSO HAVE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OF SOME MAJOR REPORT WE PRODUCED OUR TAX EXPENDITURE BUDGET AND TAX INCIDENCE STUDY WE DO A HANDBOOK FOR LEGISLATORS AND OTHERS ABOUT THE TAX SYSTEM. SOMETIMES WERE GIVEN A UNIQUE ONE TIME WORK REPORT TO DO BY THE LEGISLATURE SO THAT WORK IS ALSO THE WORK WE DO DURING THE INTERIM BUT THE REVENUE REQUESTS KIND OF START AGAIN IN THE LATE SUMMER WITH THE DEPARTMENT STARTING TO PUT ITS OWN POLICY AND TECHNICAL BILLS TOGETHER THAN THE GOVERNOR’S BUDGET AND THE LEGISLATIVE REQUESTS PICK UP GENTLY AFTER THE NOVEMBER FORECAST ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME PRIOR TO THAT. >>THANK YOU MR. WILL LET WE APPRECIATE THAT. MEMBERS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT ALL? THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL THREE OF YOU MR. WILMS MISS TEMPLIN AND MR. WILLETTE. MEMBERS, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A FUTURE MEETING TOPICS. I WORKED WITH MISS WEBER OVER THE LAST WEEKS IN REGARDS TO PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHERE THINGS WOULD COME OUT THAT THE AGENDA WAS FULL BACK PAY AND WE SAID WE WILL PARK THOSE AS A FUTURE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION. THE DRAFT LIST OF WHAT WE HAVE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EACH ONE OF YOU YOU MAY HAVE SOME POINT THOUGHT IT WOULD PUT SOMETHING ON A TOPIC LIST WE DIDN’T QUITE CAPTURE THAT I’M NOT SURE, OR YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF US TODAY. IT’S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION FIRST A WE HAVE A COMPLETE LIST NOW OF TOPICS ARE THEIR ADDITIONS? REP CARLSON DOES THAT SEEM AT IS THAT SEEM TO BE THE CORRECT LIST? >>MADAM CHAIR MY BEST RECOLLECTION OF A TOPIC LIST WERE THE ONES I RECOMMENDED PART OF MY AGENDA WAS COMPLETE I’M INTERESTED IN AND OTHERS BUT I DON’T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. >>THEN MEMBERS WE WILL TO I WILL WORK WITH MISS WEBER AND FOR FUTURE MEETINGS OF THE LBO WE WILL GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THESE I KNOW THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH FTE’S R AND ACTUALLY I THINK FOR THE MOST PART WE WANT TO DO SESSION STARTS ON FEBRUARY 11TH AND PRIOR TO THAT IN THE FISCAL NOTES, I THINK THERE ARE SOME NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THREE ITEMS IN PARTICULAR IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE TO HAVE. MISS WEBER YOU WERE ALSO COMING OUT WITH A BOOKLET OR SOME ADDITIONAL PROCESSING INFORMATION? >>MADAM CHAIR, WE’RE DEVELOPING WITH CALLED A USER GUIDE WHICH WILL INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES ON HOW TO COMPLETE FISCAL NOTES HOW TO ADDRESS THE THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE STANDARD MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED AND OUR HOPE IS TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE LATE NOVEMBER. >>THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WOULD SAY AND MR. HELLER IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD WE WILL GET TO YOU SHORTLY. WE WON’T HAVE THEM COME TO THE TABLE YET MR. HELLER, I NOTICED YOU WORK IN THE ROOM AND NOT YET AT THAT TABLE MR. HELLER WE WILL HAVE YOU IN THE ROOM WHEN IT’S TIME I WILL CALL UPON YOU. MEMBERS FUTURE MEETING DATES I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE AGAIN HERE IN NOVEMBER HOW THAT WORKS ON OUR SCHEDULE SO WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. THE OTHER THING IS MINNESOTA MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET HAS SENT OVER A LETTER TO US THE MMB ROLE IN FISCAL NOTE REVIEW OUR STAFF IS REVIEWING THAT AND WE WANT TO LET MMB KNOW THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IT WE DO NOT AT THIS TIME HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY WHEN NOT SAYING WERE EXCEPTING OR AGREEING TO THIS AT ALL. WE’RE ACKNOWLEDGING RECEIPT OF THAT AND MEMBERS IF YOU WOULD READ THAT AND OUR STAFF ARE WORKING TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE TO REVIEW THIS TO REVIEW STATUTES AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD NEED TO PUT ON THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE TO HAVE A BIGGER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AREA. >>MADAM CHAIR IF I MAY CLARIFY BECAUSE THERE WAS TALKING WITH THE STAFF EARLIER WE FELT MAYBE THERE WAS SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE’RE SAYING IN THIS REQUEST. THIS REQUEST IS INTENDED FOR THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH ENTITIES. WE’RE NOT ASKING AGENCIES TO SEND THIS COMPLETED FISCAL NOTES ENDED AT AND GOING TO THE LBO WHAT THIS NOTE THIS MEMO IS ASKING AGENCIES TO DO IS IF THEY SEE A FISCAL NOTE ON A BILL THAT HAS SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE CONTINUALLY FIGHT AS PLACES WHERE WE NEED TO DIALOGUE ABOUT ASSUMPTIONS AND WHAT THE ESTIMATES ARE GOING TO BE WE’RE ASKING THEM TO REACH OUT TO THEIR STAFF AS THEY PUT OUT THE FISCAL NOTE WERE NOT ASKING THE REVIEW PROCESS WE’RE ASKING FOR A DIALOGUE WITH THE EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICERS THAT ARE COMPILING THE NOTES TO MAKE SURE MMB IS NOT COMING AROUND ON THE BACK END OF THIS AND OBJECTING IN TALKING WITH THE LBO THERE’S A LOT OF CONCERN THAT MMB MAY WAIT UNTIL THE NOTICE ALREADY SIGNED OFF AND THEN RAISE CONCERNS. THE IDEA HERE IS WE TRY TO IDENTIFY A LIST OF 10 PLACES WHERE WE OFTEN NEED TO WORK THROUGH ASSUMPTIONS WITH AGENCIES AND WE’RE ASKING THEM TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR EXECUTIVE BUDGET OFFICERS AS THE PUTTING THEM OUT TOGETHER. >>I APPRECIATE MISS REITAN THAT CLARIFICATION. I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF THAT AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION BUT WE WEREN’T PREPARED THIS WAS DATED OCTOBER 1ST WE HAVEN’T HAD TIME TO DO THE SORT OF WORK AT THE MISS REITAN THAT’S IMPORTANT TO HAVE CLARIFICATION AND WE CAN SEEK TO DO THAT IT WILL BE IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING ON THE FUTURE MEETING A DAY TOPICS MAY HAVE TO DO WITH ASSUMPTIONS AND WE’VE GONE TO THAT MISS WEBER ADD THAT TENTATIVELY AND WE WILL FLESH THAT OUT MORE. WITH THAT MEMBERS IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? IF NOT MR. HELLER YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES AND REMEMBER MR. HELLER THIS IS THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OFFICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION AND IN REMARKS TODAY HAVE TO BE PERTINENT TO OUR AGENDA TODAY. MR. HELLER. >>THANK YOU CHAIR KIFFMEYER AND MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMISSION I’M RICK HELLER UNOFFICIALLY REPRESENTING THE PRICE EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE WITH PRINT DISABILITIES THAT PROVIDED THE NOTES TO MR. CARLSON. I’M ASSUMING YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PASS THAT DRAFT THAT ONLINE HOWEVER HIGHET SUGGEST THAT THE LCC CORRECT THAT ALSO PUT A LOT OF MARK ON YOUR DOCUMENTS THAT SAYS THIS IS A DRAFT SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF APPROVING THOSE MINUTES. MY SUGGESTIONS TODAY IS ABOUT CORRECTING THE MINUTES MR. CARLSON AS AN OPPORTUNITY ONCE AT THE NEXT MEETING ANOTHER ONE IS ONE NOT HAVE THE SIGNING SHEET FOR THESE MEETINGS? HOW ABOUT CRATING SOME RULES FOR YOUR COMMITTEE FOR EXCESSIVE INCLUDING THIRD PARTIES PROVIDING ACCESS TO THIS COMMITTEE. HOW ABOUT AZZI I WAS CORRECTING IT BUT NOW THEY HAVE CAPTIONING AND FRANKLY THE CAPTIONING INCLUDING IN THEIR VIDEOS THAT ON LINE ONE THAT TOOK THAT IN THE PATTERN BELOW ITS A LIVE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREENS THAT’S WHERE WAS WATCHING BECAUSE I USE CAPTIONING ALL THE TIME IS ABOUT THE SIX SECOND DELAY BETWEEN THE CAPTIONING AND WHAT IS SAD. NOT HAVE THE CAPTIONING HERE IF IT SCREEN ISN’T BEING UTILIZED? IT’S A SUGGESTION IT IS ONLY THING GOING ON WHEN NOT USE ANOTHER COMMISSION SUCH AS THE LEGACY THEY DON’T HAVE RECORDINGS OVER THERE WHEN NOT USE THESE BUILDINGS THAT MAY COST MORE MONEY THAT’S A FISCAL THING IT MAY RELATE TO THE LEGACY ONLY HAS AUDIO SCREENS THAT THIS IS OPEN WHEN NOT LET THESE COMMISSIONS COME HERE AND UTILIZE THESE RESOURCES? ANOTHER ONE IS A STAND-ALONE CAPTIONING. I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S EMBEDDED OR THEY CAN PULL THE PART REGARDING THE SIX SECONDS TO PLAY WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE’S MOUTH MOVING AND THE CRYPT BELOW IS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO READ LIPS THEY WOULD BE HELPED ALSO TO CONFIRM WHAT THEY SAID I DID EXPRESS AT THE LAST MEETING FEET LANGUAGE WAS AN ACCESSIBLE BUT FOR SOME REASON IT WASN’T MENTIONED AS WELL NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE PD F DOCUMENTS THE ACCESSIBILITY AND ITS OF REPRESENTATIVE CARLSON DECISION WE OF THIRD PARTIES TO PRESENTATIONS FOR INSTANCE YOU HAD A YOUR DIRECTOR WHEN THE FOUR PEOPLE CAME FORWARD WITH THIS NOTE * THE SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL WHO THEY WERE BIASED POSITION THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE HERE THEY DIDN’T ALLOW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. REPRESENTATIVE VOGEL SAID ONE OF THE ITEMS OUTLINED BUT WASN’T ON THE OVERHEAD THOSE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR AN OBSERVATION FOR CIVIC A GAUGE AND AND FEEDBACK I PRITCHETT YOUR TIME AND YET QUESTIONS I WOULD WELCOME THAT AS WELL THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. >>THANK YOU MR. HELLER. WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR MR. HELLER THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE MEMBER. AS WITH THAT I BELIEVE OUR AGENDA BEING COMPLETED IN OUR BUSINESS BEING DONE FOR TODAY WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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