Kavanaugh Senate vote: Live coverage as Senate Judiciary votes to advance Kavanaugh to full Senate

Kavanaugh Senate vote: Live coverage as Senate Judiciary votes to advance Kavanaugh to full Senate

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KEY SENATORS FROM BOTH PARTIES ARE UNDECIDED IN REPUBLICANS LOSE MORE THAN ONE GOP VOTE, THEY WILL NEED HELP FROM THE DEMOCRATS. KERRY SEVERINO IS THE CHIEF COUNSEL AND POLICY DIRECTOR AT THE CONSERVATIVE JUDICIAL CRISIS NETWORK WHICH HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SUPPORTING KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WALK US THROUGH WHAT WILL BE TAKING PLACE NEXT. IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE VOTE. >>THERE WILL BE A VOTE IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THESE NOMINATIONS WILL MOVE TO THE FLOOR AND THEY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF THE SENATE TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON HIS CONFIRMATION. OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THE SENATORS WERE CONCERNED WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM BOTH DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH, SO THAT’S WHY THE HEARINGS WERE SO IMPORTANT AND THEY WILL LOOK AT THAT. WE STILL DON’T HAVE CORROBORATION. SHE DID DELIVER A VERY PASSIONATE AND COMPELLING TESTIMONY BUT SODA JUDGE KAVANAUGH. WE STILL DON’T HAVE CORROBORATION OR EVIDENCE SUPPORTING HER ALLEGATIONS AND WHILE A LOT OF STUFF WAS UNCOVERED ABOUT SOME OF THE DEMOCRAT WORK TO UNDERMINE THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS. THAT’S SOMETHING THAT ALL OF THESE SENATORS WILL HAVE ON MIND. >>>PRETTY MUCH NO MATTER WHERE YOU LAND IN TERMS OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND WHETHER HE IS WORTHY TO BE ON THE SUPREME COURT, I THINK EVERYONE CAN AGREE THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GRUELING. YESTERDAY WAS EMOTIONALLY EXHAUSTING. JUST TO WATCH IT WAS EMOTIONALLY EXHAUSTING. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND DR. FORD. WE ARE HEARING THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION HAS ASKED THE SENATE TO WAIT UNTIL AN FBI BACKGROUND CHECK CAN BE PERFORMED BEFORE VOTING. >>THE FBI HAS SAID THEY’VE DONE THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND THEY ADDED THIS INFORMATION TO IT. WHAT WE SAW IS UNFORTUNATELY THE SENATE DEMOCRATS, WHO WERE THE ONLY ONES IN POSSESSION OF THESE ALLEGATIONS AT THE TIME AND THAT WOULD’VE BEEN THE MOST APPROPRIATE ROUTE OF INVESTIGATION, THEY DID NOTHING. IT’S STARK CONTRAST TO WHAT THE SENATOR DID DURING THE ANITA HILL INVESTIGATIONS. THEY HELD ON TO THIS AND DIDN’T TURN IT OVER TO THE FBI. WE ARE AT A POINT ONCE THE INVESTIGATION — CLAIMS ARE BLOWN UP IN THE MEDIA, IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO SEPARATE THE WITNESSES INDIVIDUALLY AND INTERVIEW THEM OR SOMETHING. THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TAKES OVER AND THERE’S THE SAME PENALTIES FOR LYING TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THAT THERE IS THE FBI AND IS COVERED BY THE SAME STATUTE. THEY HAVE BEEN FOR TWO WEEKS PERFORMING AN INVESTIGATION. THEY HAVE TAKEN TESTIMONY EFFECTIVELY UNDER OATH. IS UNDER PENALTY OF FELONY FROM EVERYONE WHO WAS NAMED. ALL OF THE LATER ALLEGATIONS THAT THEY REACHED OUT. SOME OF THEM HAVE HAD NO RESPONSE AS THEY REACHED OUT EIGHT TIMES BUT THEY CONTINUE TO REACH OUT. FORTUNATELY SENATE DEMOCRATS ARE REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE. THAT’S A SHAME BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE A BIPARTISAN EFFORT. THEY HAVE BEEN MORE BUSY ASKING FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION THAN ACTUALLY DOING THE INVESTIGATION WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US FOR THE >>YOU ARE RIGHT. IT’S THE SENATE DEMOCRATS THAT KEEP ASKING FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION. THEY OBVIOUSLY THINK AN FBI INVESTIGATION WOULD BE MORE VALUABLE THAN THE SENATE IS ABLE TO DO OR WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS ABLE TO DO. WHY IS IT THAT REPUBLICANS AREN’T AS INTERESTED IN AN FBI INVESTIGATION AT THE DEMOCRATS ARE? >>I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING FOR ONE MORE THING TO DELAY THINGS. SENATOR BIDEN IS GOING BACK TO THE ANITA HILL HEARINGS. THE FBI DOESN’T COME TO CONCLUSIONS. ALL THEY DO IS TAKE TESTIMOY. THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS DOING THAT AND IT’S THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED AFTER ANITA HILL’S APPLICATIONS — ALLEGATIONS WERE MADE PUBLIC. IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE FBI DO IT WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE THE REAL DECISION-MAKERS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. THAT’S THE SENATORS AND THEY HAVE TO BE THE ONES MOVING FORWARD TAKING THAT TESTIMONY. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION, PLEASE TAKE PART IN THE ONE ACTUALLY HAPPENING BEFORE YOUR EYES. >>CERTAINLY SOME REPUBLICANS EXPRESS WHAT YOU ARE EXPRESSING INCLUDING SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM OF SOUTH CAROLINA AS A DIRECTLY ADDRESS HIS FELLOW SENATORS. HE WAS VERY EMOTIONAL. >>TO MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES, IF YOU VOTE NO, YOU’RE LEGITIMIZING THE MOST DESPICABLE THING I HAVE SEEN IN MY TIME IN POLITICS. >>AT THIS POINT, AND YOU KNOW THERE WERE IF YOU REPUBLICANS THAT WERE IN QUESTION. SENATOR JEFF FLAKE WAS ONE GOING INTO THIS HEARING. ARE THERE ANY SENATE REPUBLICANS WHO COULD JEOPARDIZE BRETT KAVANAUGH CONFIRMATION? >>I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL UNDECIDED BUT THERE’S ALSO SEVERAL SENATE DEMOCRATS UNDECIDED AND YOU HAVE SENATOR MANSION, HIGH CAMP, DONNELLY WHO HAVE NOT MADE UP THEIR MINDS AND IT’S A KEY VOTE. IN WEST VIRGINIA, WITH SENATOR TED MANSION THEY THINK JUDGE KAVANAUGH SHOULD BE CONFIRMED AND THAT WAS EVEN BEFORE THESE HEARINGS WHICH MIGHT PUSH IT FATHER AMONG INDEPENDENTS. THAT’S 26%. IN NORTH DAKOTA, WITH HEIDI HEITKAMP, THAT’S A WIDER MARGIN WITH 25% OF ALL VOTERS AND 30% INDEPENDENCE. I THINK A LOT OF THOSE SENATE DEMOCRATS WILL BE THINKING HARD. IF I VOTE AGAINST JUDGE KAVANAUGH, IS THIS JUST LOOKING LIKE A VOTE FOR A VICIOUS CAMPAIGN ORCHESTRATED BY SOME OF THE SENATE DEMOCRATS TO TAINT THE NOMINATION? THAT WILL BE A HARD VOTE FOR THEM TO WANT TO TAKE IF THEY ARE VOTING AGAINST SOMEONE WHO BY ALL ACCOUNTS IS JUST ONE OF THE MOST QUALIFIED NOMINEES EVER FOR THIS POSITION. >>IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN A ROUGH GO. THE CONFIRMATION PROCESS HAS BEEN UGLY, HURTFUL, AND I THINK MANY PEOPLE WATCHING PROBABLY FELT SYMPATHY FOR BOTH OF THOSE PEOPLE TESTIFYING YESTERDAY. I’M WONDERING WHAT YOU THINK THE IMPACT OF THIS BE — MAYBE MOVING FORWARD IF BRETT KAVANAUGH IS CONFIRMED. WILL THERE ALWAYS BE SORT OF AN ASTERISK BY HIS NAME? WILL YOU ALWAYS ASSOCIATE THIS WITH THE PROCESS AND IMPACT THE WAY WE FEEL ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT? >>SEEMS TO BE THE GOAL BUT I DON’T THINK THAT WILL BE THE RESULT FOR THE >>WHEN YOU SAID THEIR GOAL WHAT YOU MEAN? >>I GUESS I MEAN THE DEMOCRATS PATH GOAL. THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO — DELEGITIMIZE HIS POSITION. I WORK FOR JUSTICE THOMAS WHO I THINK IS ONE OF THE GREAT THINKERS IN THE COURT PEOPLE TRY TO DO THAT TO HIM. THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES KNOW BRETT KAVANAUGH VERY WELL AND THEY HAVE FOUND HIM VERY INFLUENTIAL. THEY HAVE INDICATED HIS OPINIONS 14 TIMES IN THEIR REASONING. HE’S A SOMEONE WHO COMMANDS A LOT OF RESPECT AND THEY WILL HAVE A LOT OF MUTUAL RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER EVEN ACROSS THE’S IDEOLOGICAL DIVIDES. I THINK IT SAYS MORE OF A PROBLEM WITH OUR SENATE JUDICIAL CONFIRMATION PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. THAT’S THE REAL IMPACT. THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS ENGAGED EVEN BEFORE THIS. IT WAS ALREADY A CIRCUS THE WAY THEY WERE TREATING THIS NOMINATION BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ON I THINK UNCORROBORATED ALLEGATIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE A LONG-TERM IMPACT ON JUDGE KAVANAUGH OUTSIDE OF THE PARTISAN COMMUNITY. >>>IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL HOLD A VOTE ON BRETT KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION TO THE ú ED O’KEEFE IS ON CAPITOL HILL FOLLOWING THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHAT THE FEELING IS LIKE ON CAPITOL HILL. >>Reporter: IT’S NAILBITING TIME BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW WHAT WILL TRANSPIRE IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. WE THINK THAT ALL 11 REPUBLICANS WILL VOTE FOR KAVANAUGH BUT AT LEAST ONE, JEFF FLAKE OF ARIZONA HAS NOT SAID WHAT HE PLANS TO DO. ANY SECOND THAT COULD BE SOME TWEET OR ANNOUNCEMENT FROM HIS OFFICE OF HIS INTENTIONS. OTHERWISE WE WILL WAIT AND IF AND — IN SUSPENSE. WE EXPECT THAT WILL BEGIN WITH SOME SQUABBLING BETWEEN THE SIDES AND IF YOU WERE STATEMENTS FOR MEMBERS OF BOTH PARTIES. AT SOME POINT, CHAIRMAN GRASSLEY WILL CALL OUT A VOTE. EVEN IF HE IS REFERRED OUT OF THE COMMITTEE WITHOUT A POSITIVE VOTE, REPORTED UNFAVORABLY, AS THEY SAY IN THE SENATE, MAJORITY LEADER MITCH McCONNELL SAYS HE’S BRINGING IT TO THE FULL SENATE AND A SERIES OF PROCEDURAL MOVES THAT ARE LIKELY TO START ON SATURDAY MORNING AND WOULD LEAD TO A VOTE ON TUESDAY. AGAIN, IN ADDITION TO FLAKE WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR ABOUT SUSAN COLLINS OF MAINE AND LISA MURKOWSKI OF ALASKA AND WE WILL SEE IF ANY DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY SIGN UP FOR THIS, AS WELL. >>ANYBODY WHO WATCHED YESTERDAY’S TESTIMONY PROBABLY WALKED AWAY EMOTIONALLY EXHAUSTED. IT’S BEEN A REALLY EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS. I WONDER IF ANY OF THE LAWMAKERS YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO HAVE DISCUSSED HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENED TO THE NOMINATION PROCESS AND HOW IT LOOKS AS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WATCHES ON. >>I RAN INTO COREY BOOKER OF NEW JERSEY LAST NIGHT AFTER THIS HAD ENDED AND I SAID, WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THIS? IS THIS A MOMENT THAT WILL STAND OUT IN YOUR MEMORY IN PERPETUITY? HE SAID THERE WASN’T ANYTHING TERRIBLY MEMORABLE. HE SAID, I KNOW TALKING TO MY COLLEAGUES ON BOTH SIDES AND THAT THIS WAS SORT OF SICK AND SAD AND I THINK THAT THE GENERAL PERCEPTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD APPEAR YESTERDAY AND AFTER AND DURING EIGHT HOURS AND 45 MINUTES OF THAT. THIS IS JUST NOT A GOOD MOMENT FOR THE SENATE, NOT A GOOD MOMENT FOR CONGRESS, NOT A GOOD MOMENT FOR THE COUNTRY AT ALL BECAUSE YOU HAD THE INTERSECTION OF PARTISAN POLITICS, THE ME TOO MOVEMENT, THE CLASSIC UNIVERSAL, HE SAID, SHE SAID. JUST GENERAL NASTINESS THAT PERVADES WASHINGTON THESE DAYS. >>SO TRUE. THANK YOU. >>>WE ARE MOMENTS AWAY FROM THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S EXPECTED VOTES. THE REPUBLICANS HOLD A ONE SEAT ADVANTAGE ON THE COMMITTEE AND THAT WAS SENT KAVANAUGH TO THE FULL SENATE AFTER THAT FOR VOTING ALONG PARTY LINES. BRETT KAVANAUGH AND HIS ACCUSER TESTIFIED BEFORE THE COMMITTEE YESTERDAY. LAWMAKERS ARE GATHERING CHITCHATTING AHEAD OF THE VOTE TODAY AND AS YOU HEARD FROM ED O’KEEFE AND NANCY CORDES, THE EXPECTATION IS BEFORE THEY VOTE THEY WILL HAVE A LOT TO SAY. IF YESTERDAY WAS ANY INDICATION OF WHAT WE WILL SEE TODAY, PERHAPS THEY ARE EXHAUSTED, WE WILL PROBABLY HEAR SOME SIMILAR REQUESTS FROM THE DEMOCRATS ABOUT AN FBI INVESTIGATION, FARM THE REPUBLICANS COMPLAINING ABOUT AN INTENTIONAL DELAY OF THIS NOMINEE MOVING FORWARD. >>>WE ARE JOINED BY REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST LESLIE SANCHEZ AND DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST JOEL PAYNE. I’M EMOTIONALLY SPENT AND I DIDN’T TESTIFY YESTERDAY. >>I THINK THAT’S THE SENTIMENT OF SO MANY. THE THING ABOUT DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY IS IT UNEARTHED CONFLICTING, EMOTIONAL REACTIONS FROM WOMEN OF MANY GENERATIONS. THERE’S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT, WHAT WAS ACCEPTED AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT FRATERNITY TYPE OF CULTURE. IT HARKENS BACK TO WHETHER IT’S A FAIR CONNECTION OR NOT AND BECAUSE OF THAT, IT HAS A LINGERING EFFECT AND IT’S A FREQUENCY THAT I THINK A LOT OF WOMEN IMMEDIATELY UNDERSTAND. FOR THAT REASON, IF FOR KAVANAUGH MOVES FORWARD THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THIS SUSPICION AND HIS HYPERPARTISANSHIP. WE KNOW REPUBLICANS ARE MOVING THIS THROUGH POLITICALLY TO SAVE THEMSELVES IN THE MIDTERMS BECAUSE THEY COMMITTED TO HAVING THESE ON THE SUPREME COURT BUT AT WHAT EXPENSE? THAT WILL BE MY CAUTION TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE THIS WILL NOT GO AWAY. IS THIS REALLY THE BEST WE CAN DO? I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE. >>THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AS I SAW THE RHETORIC HEATING UP AND PEOPLE BECOMING MORE PASSIONATE AND UNDERSTANDING THIS WAS A CAMPAIGN PROMISE AND THE PRESIDENT REALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER ON THIS PROMISE. WILL THEY WIN THE BATTLE AND THAT THEY GOT KAVANAUGH? BUT LOSE THE WAR BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FIRED UP ABOUT THIS. JOAL, WHAT YOUR TAKE ON HOW THE DEMOCRATS HANDLED THEMSELVES? >>I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ACQUITTED THEMSELVES RELATIVELY WELL. THIS WAS NOT SET UP TO MAKE ANYBODY REALLY LOOKED GREAT. THIS WAS NOT SET UP OBVIOUSLY — I THINK THE ONE THING WE ACCOMPLISHED YESTERDAY IS THAT THE SENATE FIGURED OUT HOW TO NOT REDO ANITA HILL FROM 25, 30 YEARS AGO. I THINK EVERYBODY WENT OUT-OF- THE-WAY TO NOT HAVE A REPLAY OF THAT AND WE WILL TREAT DR. FORD WITH RESPECT. WE ARE GOING TO TREAT HER WITH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CARE AND CONCERN. I WILL SAY THAT IT DOES APPEAR THAT EVERYBODY WENT OUT-OF-THE- WAY IN THAT HEARING ROOM AND EVEN JUDGE KAVANAUGH IN HIS TESTIMONY. HE DID NOT REALLY GO OUT — WHILE HE DENIED HE WAS THE PERSON THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, HE DID NOT CAST ASPERSIONS ON WHAT SHE WAS SAYING ABOUT HER EXPERIENCE. I DO THINK THAT THE SIGNIFICANT AND IT’S TELLING ABOUT THE MOMENT WE ARE IN, LESLIE, THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IN 2018 IS AN OKAY THING TO DO. PEOPLE ARE NOT OKAY WITH THAT. >>I FEEL LIKE I HEARD ECHOES OF THAT. WE DID NOT SEE ANY OTHER TESTIMONY FROM ANYBODY ELSE. I AM PICKING OUT SOME PHRASES. JUDGE KAVANAUGH CALLED THIS A CALCULATED, ORCHESTRATED, POLITICAL HIT AND I THOUGHT OF HIGH TECH LYNCHING. THEY BOTH CALLED IT A CIRCUS IN THEIR OPENING STATEMENTS. JUSTICE THOMAS AND KAVANAUGH CALLED IT A CIRCUS AND A DISGRACE. I DID HEAR LITTLE ECHOES AND MAYBE THAT’S JUST A COINCIDENCE. >>I THINK IT’S REALLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH — I THINK LESLIE’S PROBABLY RIGHT THAT IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT HE WILL BE CONFIRMED. THE JOB OF THESE FOLKS IS TO GET IT RIGHT AND KNOW HOW TO COUNT TO PICK A MITCH McCONNELL KNOWS HOW TO COUNT. IT HAS JUST COME OUT IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES JEFF FLAKE WILL BE A YES VOTE. THAT’S NOT A SURPRISE AND HE WOULDN’T HAVE PUT THAT UP UNLESS HE KNEW THAT JEFF FLAKE WOULD BE A YES. JUST THE IDEA THAT SENATE REPUBLICANS FELT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO DO THAT, I THINK IT TELLS ABOUT HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THE HEARING YESTERDAY. THEY PASS THE LITMUS TEST TO AT LEAST GET BRETT KAVANAUGH OVER THE HUMP BUT I DON’T THINK BRETT KAVANAUGH PASSED TO THE SUPREME COURT TEST. WHILE HE MAY HAVE PASSED THE BELIEVABILITY THRESHOLD AND DEFEND HIMSELF AND MAY HAVE MADE THE AUDIENCE IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAPPY, I DON’T BELIEVE HE COMPORTED HIMSELF AS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BECAUSE AS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, YOU HAVE TO BE IMPARTIAL. OU HAVE TO HAVE I DIDN’T MAKE A DECISION. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT CLINTON MONEY, THE CLINTON LEFTISTS AND THAT IS NOT REALLY CONDUCT OF A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. >>HE IS UNBIASED. HE HAS WRITTEN 300 OPINIONS AND THERE’S A LONG RECORD BUT THERE’S ALMOST 2 SIDES TO BRETT HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF. THERE’S THIS ONE, YOUNG, EXUBERANT, DRINKING — HE WAS MAD AND EMOTIONAL. HIS TEMPERAMENT I DO FEEL DISQUALIFIED HIM BECAUSE OF THE WAY HE BEHAVED. IF THAT WAS A WOMAN, SHE WOULD BE GONE. THIS DOUBLE STANDARD — WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND LAY THAT OUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE EXPECT OUR SUPREME COURT TO LOOK OUT — LIKE. DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF THING? IF WE SLOWED IT DOWN A BEETS, AND MIGHT HAVE A NATURAL CONCLUSION AND NOW I SOUND LIKE THESE CONSERVATIVES GETTING MAD. WE WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. >>LET’S LISTEN AND BECAUSE LAWMAKERS ARE TALKING NOW.>> IT’S A SHAME. I THINK SHE MADE A GOOD WITNESS. I LIKED HER AND THERE COMES A TIME WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT’S RIGHT AND MAKE A GREAT JUDGE. >>TO YOU STILL BELIEVE THE ALLEGATIONS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED? >>I THINK SHE’S MISTAKEN. WITH ALL THAT I KNOW, I THINK SHE’S MISTAKEN AND I DO BELIEVE KAVANAUGH. HE’S A STRAIGHT SHOOTER AND A VERY FINE MAN. I THINK SHE’S A FINE WOMAN, TOO, SO THAT’S WHAT MAKES THIS DIFFICULT. >>APPRECIATE IT, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. >>>WE WOULD JUST HEARING FROM ORRIN HACH AND HE EXPRESSED SOMETHING WE HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF OTHER REPUBLICANS AND HOW THEY RECONCILE THESE TWO COMPLETELY OPPOSING STORIES. JUDGE KAVANAUGH STUCK TO HIS STORY THAT HE WAS NEVER AT AN EVENT LIKE THAT. HE DOESN’T KNOW HER. NOT EVEN THAT THEY WERE CASUAL FRIENDS AT ALL AND SHE SAYS SHE WAS 100% SURE HE WAS THE ONE THAT ASSAULTED HER. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WILL FLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS AND THE PUBLIC WILL EMBRACE THAT? >>FROM THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE AND THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS THEY WILL BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT DELIVERED. >>HOLD THAT THOUGHT. >>IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO DEAL WITH OR SUPPORT WOMEN WHO ARE SURVIVORS OF THIS KIND OF HORRIFIC ACT IN A VERY GOOD WAY. WHAT IS THE MOST TELLING OF ALL IS THAT THEY WILL NOT GO FOR A INVESTIGATION BY A NEUTRAL ENTITY WHICH IS THE FBI. THEY WILL NOT GO THERE. THAT IS VERY TELLING. FRANKLY, IF THE REPUBLICANS THINK THAT COMMITTEE PEOPLE DOING THE INVESTIGATION IS EQUIVALENT TO THE FBI, GIVE ME A BREAK.>>IF DEMOCRATS TAKE BACK THE SENATE WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF LOOKING INTO JUDGE BRETT KAVANAUGH ONCE AGAIN? >>WE ARE NOT THERE YET AND I AM TOTALLY FOCUSED ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO. GOING FORWARD EVEN IF JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS CONFIRMED UNDER THIS KIND OF A HUGE CLOUD IS BAD ENOUGH THAT WE SENT ONE PERSON TO THE SUPREME COURT WITH THIS KIND OF CLOUD WE SHOULD NOT BE SENDING BOTH. AS I HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR MONTHS AND ALERTING EVERYONE TO THE COURT PACKING THAT IS GOING ON WITH THE JUDGES WHO WERE SO IDEOLOGICALLY DRIVEN AND OUTCOME DRIVEN THAT THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE COURT, WHICH SHOULD BE PEOPLE WITH — I DON’T MIND IF THE CONSERVATIVE AS LONG AS I CAN BE ASSURED THAT THEY CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL. AND TOO MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY FEDERALIST SOCIETY AND HERITAGE FOUNDATION ANOINTED PEOPLE HAVE AN OUTCOME DRIVEN AGENDA AND THAT IS NOT WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOR THE >>I’M NOT RESIGNED TO ANYTHING. I WILL JUST KEEP ON GOING. THERE’S OTHERS I WILL HOPE WILL SEARCH THEIR SOULS AND DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COURT, THE COUNTRY, AND ALL THE WOMEN AND SURVIVORS IN THIS COUNTRY. >>AS PROMISED, AS SOON AS THE VOTE STARTED, WE WOULD TAKE YOU THERE ALIVE SO I WILL HAVE YOU LISTEN. >>>WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF EMOTIONS FROM — CAN WE HAVE QUIET FROM THE AUDIENCE. IS THERE SOMEBODY THAT CAN SIGNAL TO ME THAT THE CHAIRS ARE FILLED AND THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME PEACE AND QUIET? I’D LIKE TO START OUT TODAY WHERE WE LEFT OFF ON SEPTEMBER 13. ALTHOUGH THIS IS A NEW MEETING, BUT I WAS ANTICIPATING A LOT OF EMOTIONS FROM THE MINORITY AND WE DID HAVE SOME EMOTIONS FROM THE MINORITY BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, I SAID I WILL GIVE THE MINORITY A CHANCE TO MAKE THEIR MOTIONS AND THAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN TO VOTE. I WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION TIME CERTAIN TO VOTE BUT IF THERE’S A MOTION FROM A MINORITY, I WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT MOTION FIRST.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUBPOENA MARK JUDGES A WITNESS BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE. >>LET ME — HOLD ON A MINUTE. COULD YOU MAKE YOUR REMARKS SHORT, PLEASE AND SPEAK NOW AND WE WILL VOTE. >>WE HEARD YESTERDAY FROM AN EXTRAORDINARILY COURAGEOUS, STRONG, SURVIVOR DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD. EVERY ONE OF US, I THINK, WERE RIVETED AND POWERFULLY IMPRESSED BY HER TRUTH. WE HEARD HER PROVIDE DETAILS IN THAT STORY THAT CAN BE CORROBORATED AND OTHER FACTS THAT CAN BE UNCOVERED. IF WE HEAR FROM OTHER WITNESSES WHO HAVE VERY RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HER ON THAT EVENING IN THAT ROOM. THE THIRD PERSON ALLEGEDLY IN THE ROOM WAS MARK JUDGE. EVIDENTIALLY HE HAS NEVER BEEN INTERVIEWED BY THE FBI. HE IS NEVER BEEN QUESTIONED BY ANY MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE. HE HAS NEVER SUBMITTED A DETAILED ACCOUNT OF WHAT HE KNOWS, AND, SO, I MOVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WE HAVE HIM BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AS A WITNESS. HE COULD BE INTERVIEWED BEFORE HAND ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS. I RECOGNIZE THAT HE HAS SUBMITTED A CURRENT CURSORY, CONCLUSORY SIX SENTENCE LETTER, NOT EVEN SIGNED BY HIM BUT FROM HIS ATTORNEY AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SUBPOENA, AT THE VERY LEAST, MARK JUDGE, BEFORE WE MOVED TO VOTE. IT IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO UNCOVER THE TRUTH AFTER HEARING YESTERDAY THAT COMPELLING TESTIMONY FROM DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AND WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE VOTE WITHOUT HEARING AT LEAST FROM MARK JUDGE. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WOULD SUBMIT THERE ARE OTHER WITNESSES ESSENTIAL TO HEAR FROM AND WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE OTHER SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS WHO HAVE COME FORWARD WITH CREDIBLE AND POWERFUL STORIES, AND THAT WILL BE ALSO IN MY VIEW NECESSARY. TODAY I AM MOVING THAT WE SUBPOENA MARK JUDGE. >>BEFORE WE VOTE, I WILL READ A LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM MARK JUDGE LAST NIGHT AS I STATED IN MY ATTORNEY BARBARA VAN GALDER, SEPTEMBER 18, 2018 LETTER, I DID NOT ASK TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS MATTER NOR DID ANYONE ASK ME TO BE INVOLVED. WE HAVE TOLD THE COMMITTEE THAT I DO WANT TO COMMENT — WHEN I TOLD THE COMMITTEE THAT I DO NOT WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT THESE EVENTS PUBLICLY, AS A RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC AND A CANCER SURVIVOR, I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY. AS A RESULT, I AVOID PUBLIC SPEAKING. BRETT KAVANAUGH AND I WERE FRIENDS IN HIGH SCHOOL. BUT WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN DIRECTLY IN SEVERAL YEARS. I DO NOT RECALL THE EVENTS DESCRIBED BY DR. FORD IN HER TESTIMONY BEFORE THE U.S. SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TOAY. I NEVER SAW BRETT KAVANAUGH ACT IN A MANNER DR. FORD DESCRIBES. I AM KNOWINGLY SUBMITTING THIS LETTER UNDER PENALTY OF FELONY. MARK JUDGE, WITNESSED BY BARBARA VAN GALDER. HE SIGNED IT. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY RESPOND — >>ON THE MOTION? >>YES PICK UP THAT LETTER IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR AN FBI INTERVIEW. >>THE ANSWER IS, NO. >>MR. GRAHAM — >>IT IS NO TESTIMONY BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE. >>[VOTE BEING TAKEN] THE VOTES ARE 10 YAY, 11 AYE.>> THE MOTION IS DEFEATED AND WE SET THE VOTE AT JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION AT 1:30 PM TODAY.>>MR. CHAIRMAN? >>POINT OF ORDER. >>I AM FOLLOWING THE RULES OF THE COMMITTEE. >>[VOTE BEING TAKEN] IT VIOLATES THE CUSTOMS OF THIS COMMITTEE. >>I STRONGLY OBJECT. THIS IS JUST TOTALLY RIDICULOUS. THE ANSWER IS NO, NO, NO. >>THEY ARE NOT ANSWERING BECAUSE THIS IS SO UNFAIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. 11 AYE, 8 NAY.>>MOTION CARRIED. WE HAVE AN AGENDA WITH 10 JUDGES WHO ARE READY TO BE VOTED ON. BRETT KAVANAUGH NOMINATED TO THE SUPREME COURT OF, JONATHAN COVERS, NOMINATED TO THE EIGHTH CIRCUIT AND EIGHT JUST RECORD JUDGES. WE ALSO HAVE TWO BILLS ON THE AGENDA AND WE WILL HOLD OVER S3178 THE JUSTICE FOR VICTIMS OF LYNCHING ACT. WE WILL VOTE ON S ACT SPONSORED BY SENATORS DURBIN AND GRAHAM. THIS BILL COMBATS DEFENSIVE — OFFENSIVE ELECTION INTERFERENCE TO ANY FOREIGN NATIONAL WHO HAS BEEN DEEMED TO ENGAGE IN ELECTION INTERFERENCE. THE AMENDMENT I WILL BE INTRODUCING MAKES CLEAR THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY WILL MAKE THIS DECISION ON WHO HAS ENGAGED IN ELECTION INTERFERENCE AND A CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND ANY FOREIGN NATIONAL WHO ENGAGES HER CONSPIRES TO ENGAGE IN THE IMPROPER INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTION SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER OUR COUNTRY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. EXCEPT TO STAND TRIAL. YESTERDAY WE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH REGARDING SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS THAT DATE BACK TO WHEN THE TWO WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL. IT WAS DIFFICULT AND EMOTIONAL FOR BOTH OF THEM. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE THREE WITNESSES DR. FORD NAMED DENIED ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE EVENT SHE DESCRIBED. JUDGE KAVANAUGH FORCEFULLY DENIED THE ALLEGATIONS. THE ALLEGED BEHAVIOR IS INCONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE KNOW ABOUT HIM. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE INCLUDING WOMEN HE KNEW IN HIGH SCHOOL ATTESTED TO HIS CHARACTER AND FUNDAMENTAL DECENCY AS A PERSON BOTH IN HIGH SCHOOL AND NOW. HE IS WIDELY REGARDED AS AN EXCELLENT HUSBAND, FATHER, FRIEND, COACH, PROFESSOR, JUDGE AND IS AN EXEMPLARY RECORD OF BEING AT THE FOREFRONT OF WOMEN’S ADVANCEMENT IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION. HE HAS BEEN THROUGH SIX FBI FULL-TIME BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS AND NO ISSUES OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT WERE UNCOVERED. IT’S A FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF FAIRNESS AND DUE PROCESS THAT THE ACCUSER HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROVING ALLEGATIONS. IT’S TRUE YESTERDAY — YESTERDAY’S HEARING WAS NOT A TRIAL BUT TRIALS HAVE RULES BASED ON COMMONSENSE NOTIONS OF FAIRNESS AND DUE PROCESS. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. A PERSON HAD ALLEGATIONS MADE AGAINST HIM IN A PUBLIC WAY AND HIS REPUTATION AND LIVELIHOOD WERE AT STAKE. IT WAS ONLY FAIR THAT HIS ACCUSER HAD THE BURDEN OF PROOF. IN MY OPINION, THIS WASN’T MEANT. YOU FOLKS THAT ARE PHOTOGRAPHERS KNOW THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SIT DOWN. MAYBE YOU JUST WANT TO LEAVE THE ROOM IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE. I DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY CREDIBLE AND BELIEVE SHE IS SINCERE IN HER VERSION OF THE FACTS BUT HE ALSO FOUND JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY CREDIBLE AND SINCERE, ULTIMATELY THE EXISTING EVIDENCE INCLUDING THE STATEMENT OF THREE ALLEGED EYEWITNESSES NAMED BY DR. FORD REFUTES DR. FORD’S VERSION OF THE FACTS. THERE IS SIMPLY NO REASON TO DENY JUDGE KAVANAUGH A SEAT ON THE SUPREME COURT ON THE BASIS OF EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO US. I REOPEN THE HEARING AT THE ASSISTANCE OF DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH. DR. FORD WANTED TO BE HEARD, AND WE GAVE HER THAT OPPORTUNITY. NOT ONE QUESTION TO DR. FORD WAS DISRESPECTFUL IN ANY WAY. SHE WAS TREATED WITH COURTESY AND DIGNITY AS I PROMISED HER BUT THE QUESTIONS MY DEMOCRAT COLLEAGUES ASKED JUDGE KAVANAUGH WERE UNEQUIVOCALLY AND UNIVERSALLY HOSTILE. MY COLLEAGUES FIRST CLAIMED THE SENATE DOESN’T CONFIRM SUPREME COURT NOMINEES IN MIDTERM ELECTIONS. THE WASHINGTON POST/CHECKER SAID THAT’S FALSE. INDEED JUSTICE — >>CAN WE HAVE QUIET, PLEASE. I WOULD EXPECT THE SAME QUIET FROM OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE WHEN THEY SPEAK. >>INDEED JUSTICE CATERER AND BRYAN WERE CONFIRMED AND THE ATTEMPT WAS TO ARGUE WE NEEDED TO REQUEST ALL JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S EXECUTIVE BRANCH RECORDS. THEY COMPLETELY IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE DID NOT REQUEST ALL OF JUSTICE KAGAN’S EXECUTIVE BRANCH RECORDS. HER MOST RECENT AND RELEVANT EXECUTIVE BRANCH RECORDS FROM THE SOLICITOR GENERAL’S OFFICE WERE NOT REQUESTED. EVEN DESPITE THE FACT THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS SPENT THE LAST 12 YEARS ON THE SECOND MOST — EVEN THOUGH JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS SPENT THE LAST 12 YEARS ON THE SECOND MOST POWERFUL COURT IN THE COUNTRY ISSUING 307 OPINIONS AND JOINING HUNDREDS OF OTHERS, WE RECEIVED OVER 480,000 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS FROM JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S TIME ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. THIS WAS MORE PAGES OF SUCH DOCUMENT THAN THE LAST FIVE SUPREME COURT NOMINEES COMBINED. IN SHORT, IT WAS THE MOST THOROUGH AND TRANSPARENT CONFIRMATION PROCESS. I’M GOING TO PUT THE REST OF MY STATEMENT ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I’M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IRRITATED RIGHT NOW AND I WILL LET THEM EXPRESS THAT IRRITATION. WE WILL GO BY SENIORITY. SENATOR FEINSTEIN. I WILL PUT THE REST OF MY STATEMENT IN THE RECORD. >>I’M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY VOTING ON THIS NOMINATION. ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD YESTERDAY. MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES SPENT THEIR TIME AT THE HEARING FOCUSED EXCLUSIVELY ON POLICY AND PARTISANSHIP AND PROCESS. THE MAJORITY ARGUED THE SEXUAL ASSAULT DR. FORD EXPERIENCED WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A DEMOCRATIC SMEAR CAMPAIGN AND I AM ALLEGEDLY ORCHESTRATING. MY STAFF AND I WERE ACCUSED OF LEAKING DR. FORD LETTER, WHICH WE DID NOT. WE WERE ACCUSED OF LEAKING DEBORAH RAMIREZ’S LETTER WHICH WE DID NOT. WE WERE SAID TO HAVE REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PARTISAN, QUOTE, INVESTIGATION. YET IT IS THE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE REFUSED TO TALK TO DEBBIE RAMIREZ OR JULIE SWETNICK. REPUBLICANS ALSO FAILED TO MENTION DEMOCRATS WERE NOT NOTIFIED AND HAD NO IDEA THAT CHAIRMAN STEPH HAD THE COMMUNICATING WITH MARK JUDGE PATRICK SMITH LEAVING KAISER AND APPARENTLY AT LEAST TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN NAMED. THEY LEARNED ABOUT THIS WHEN VARIOUS LETTERS OR EMAILS APPEARED AND IN ONE CASE, WE LEARNED ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN STAFF OUTREACH AT 10 PM THE NIGHT BEFORE THE HEARING. IRONICALLY, MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE HAD GONE SO FAR AS TO SAY THIS WHOLE SITUATION WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A NEFARIOUS ATTEMPT AT POLITICAL THEATER. I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID THAT. THE SENATE IS A POLITICAL BODY. I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE JUDGE KAVANAUGH TAKE THE SAME TONE AND STRATEGY. CANDIDLY, IN THE 25 YEARS ON THIS COMMITTEE, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NOMINEE FOR ANY POSITION BEHAVE IN THAT MANNER. JUDGE KAVANAUGH USED AS MUCH POLITICAL RHETORIC AS MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES AND HE WENT ON THE ATTACK. HE YELLED THE DEMOCRATS FOR HAVING THE TEMERITY TO EXPRESS OUR FRUSTRATION, FOR NOT HAVING ACCESS TO OVER 90% OF HIS RECORD. AND SAID THAT SOME DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS WERE, QUOTE, A■ND EMBARRASSMENT — AN EMBARRASSMENT AND REFUSED — ACCUSED DEMOCRATS OF LYING IN WAIT. >>>WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE JUDICIAL NOMINATION PROCESS AND EVERY CUSTOM THE SENATE EMBRACE BEFORE KAVANAUGH HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH DESTROYED. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’LL EVER BE REVIVED. SOMEBODY TOOK MRS. FORD’S ANONYMOUS LETTER AND LEAD IT TO THE PRESS NOT GIVING A DAM ABOUT HER TO SLOW THE PURPOSE, DELAY THE VOTE, TRYING TO DESTROY JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND COMPLETELY INDIFFERENT TO THE EFFECT IT HAD ON DR. FORD. WHAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS DIANNE FEINSTEIN. I LIKE DIANNE FEINSTEIN. I DON’T BELIEVE SHE WOULD DO THIS BUT SOMEBODY DID. AND THE THREE GROUPS TO LOOK AT OUR HER STAFF, THE LAWYERS, AND THE CONGRESSWOMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. THE DETAILS THAT WERE LEAKED OUT DID NOT COME FROM A FRIEND. THIS WAS PLANNED. THE FOURTH LETTER — BEFORE THE ACCUSATION. IS ANYBODY HERE FROM NBC? ARE YOU READY? CORY GARDNER RECEIVED AN ANONYMOUS LETTER WITH NO POSTMARK AND HE BROUGHT IT TO THE COMMITTEE SEVERAL DAYS AGO. ABOUT AN ALLEGED INCIDENT IN 1998 IN A RESTAURANT WITH NO DETAILS OF WHO IT WAS AND NO POSTMARK BUT HE FELT LIKE HE SHOULD TURN IT OVER. ALL I CAN SAY IS AN ANONYMOUS LETTER — IF THAT CAN MAKE NEWS AND AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF A COMMITTEE, WHERE REALLY GOING TO DESTROY THE PROCESS. WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT NBC IS THAT YOU RAN WITH IT AND WHAT BOTHERS ME MORE IS SOMEBODY ON THEIR SIDE GAVE IT TO YOU. YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE THAT WITH A DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. TO MY FRIENDS AT NBC, DON’T WRITE OFF CONSERVATIVE CONCERNS ABOUT NBC TO ROGER ELSE. YOU NEED TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHAT YOU DID ABOUT THE INVITATION. THE CUSTOMS OF THE COMMITTEE, CHAIRMAN GRASSLEY BENT OVER BACKWARD TO MAKE SURE DR. FORD COULD BE HEARD AT ANY TIME AND LOCATION OF HER CHOOSING AND I WAS STUNNED TO HEAR FROM DR. FORD THAT SHE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS AVAILABLE TO HER TO TESTIFY IN CALIFORNIA UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT SHE WOULD REQUEST. I FIND THAT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE >>WHY IT ACCEPTED? IT’S INCONSISTENT WITH THE DEBACLE WE WITNESSED YESTERDAY, AND SEEMED SEEMED SO TO MY GOOD FRIEND, I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE ABOUT THE CUSTOMS OF THIS COMMITTEE. I DON’T TO HEAR ANY MORE ABOUT AN FBI INVESTIGATION. IF YOU REALLY WONDERED WHAT THE FBI COULD OR SHOULD DO, YOU WOULD HAVE COME FORWARD IN A TIMELY MANNER. THE FBI IS NOT GOING TO TELL US ANY MORE THAN WE KNOW NOW. AS TO THE ACCUSATIONS, I WENT THROUGH ALL FIVE AND I WOULD SAY THIS. THERE ARE NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS IN MARYLAND, SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO THROUGH THIS CASE, IF YOU COULD FIND OUT WHAT TOWN IT HAPPENED AND WHEN IT HAPPENED, AND YOU CAN MAKE A COMPLAINT AGAINST JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND IF THAT COMPLAINT IS TAKEN TO A COURT AND HE’S CONVICTED, I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY WE NEED TO LOOK AT JUDGE KAVANAUGH, I WILL BE IN THE NBA. EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS HAS BEEN THE LOW — LOWEST POINT OF THE COMMITTEES SINCE I’VE BEEN HERE AND IT’S JUST RANK WITH POLITICS AND NOBODY REALLY CARE BODY DR. FORD AND NOBODY REALLY CARED ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH, AND WHEN I HEAR MY DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES OENLY SAY IF WE CAN DELAY THIS PAST THE MID-TERMS, WE TAKE BACK THE SENATE AND KEEP THIS SEAT UNFILLED. DISGUSTING.>>SO WE JUST HEARD FROM LINDSEY GRAHAM OUTSIDE OF THE CHAMBERS THERE. REITERATING SOMETHING HE SAID VERY PASSIONENTLY DURING THE HEARING YESTERDAY — PASSIONATELY SINCE YESTERDAY, BLAMING FOR POLITICIZING THIS PROCESS, WONDERING WHO LEAKED SOME OF THE LETTER THAT DR. FORD WROTE ABOUT THIS ACCUSATION — LOOKS LIKE WE’VE GOT MORE SENATORS TALKING. WE’RE GOING TO DIP BACK IN.>>THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. I’M NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS CHARADE ANYMORE. ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES TALKED ABOUT THIS IS A SHAM. THIS IS A SHAM WHAT’S GOING ON. DEMOCRATS ARE NOT BEING HEARD. THEY’RE PUSHING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND FRANKLY, THE STATEMENTS YESTERDAY WERE ABOUT BULLYING FELLOW SENATORS AND ABOUT BULLIES. ALL WE HAVE ASKED FOR, IS THERE BE AN FBI INVESTIGATION. DR. FORD CAME IN AND SHE POURED OUT HER HEART. SHE COOPERATED WITH THE PROCESS AND GAVE THE PROCESS DIGNITY AND RESPECT. THE LEAST WE COULD DO IS GIVE HER THE DIGNITY AND RESPECT OF HAVING A PROCESS THAT HAS CREDIBILITY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOMEBODY ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT FOR A LIFETIME. FOR THE SAKE OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND THE INTEGRITY OF OUR DEMOCRACY, YOU WLD THINK MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE WOULD SAY WAIT A MINUTE, THERE IS ENOUGH TO PUSH PAUSE, LET’S REFLECT ON WHAT WE’RE ABOUT TO DO. THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT ABOUT THE BEST OF WHO WE ARE IN TERMS OF A SYSTEM THAT IS ABOUT TO BE AND IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT JUSTICE.>>I’M HERE TO JOIN MY COLLEAGUES IN OBJECTING TO THE SHAM PROCESS THAT IS GOING FORWARD RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NEXT TO US IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. THIS ADDS TO THE SEQUENCE OF SHAM PROCESS THAT WE HAVE SEEN. I THINK IT IS UNPRECEDENTED IN THE HISTORY OF BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS FOR NEW AND CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS TO COME FORWARD AND THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION NOT BE REOPENED. ALL THREE CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS HAVE RECEIVED 0 INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI. THAT IS NOT RIGHT. THE PARTISAN SHIP THAT WAS ON DISPLAY IN YESTERDAY’S HEARING WAS NOT RIGHT. IT WAS NOT RIGHT FROM MY COLLEAGUES. IT WAS PARTICULARLY NOT RIGHT FROM THE NOMINEE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A DISPLAY OF VENGEFUL, PARTISAN, CONSPIRACY THEORY BEHAVIOR AND NOW WE HAVE THIS SHAM PROCESS IN THE COMMITTEE WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION WHY? WHY ARE THEY SO DESPERATE TO GET THIS PERSON THE COURT WITHOUT A PROPER INVESTIGATION. THANKS.>>WHAT WE’RE WATCHING IS A BETRAYAL. IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A BETRAYAL OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO ADVISE AND CONSENT. THAT DUTY CAN BE DONE ONLY IF WE UNCOVER ALL OF THE FACTS, GOOD OR BAD, ABOUT A NOMINEE. THERE HAS BEEN NO ADEQUATE FBI INVESTIGATION, THERE HAS BEEN NO SUFFICIENT FACT FINDING. THERE HAS BEEN BARELY A PROCESS OF CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE WHO OUGHT TO BE HEARD. YESTERDAY WE HEARD FROM A POWER FULLY CREDIBLE SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVOR. THIS PROCESS BE TRAYS ALL OF THE HOLLOW, HYPOCRITICAL RESPECT THAT OUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES SAID THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE HER. RAMMING THROUGH THIS NOMINATION WITHOUT HEARING FROM MARK JUDGE, AND OTHER RELEVANT WITNESSES, AND WITHOUT ANY INVESTIGATION IS A BETRAYAL OF OUR PROMISE TO THOSE SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS THAT THEY WOULD BE HEARD RESPECTIVELY, AND THIS PROCESS IS BEING WATCHED. ALL OF AMERICA IS WATCHING THE UNITED STATES SENATE TODAY AND THEY SHOULD BE DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED, EMBARRASSED, ASHAMED OF SUPPOSEDLY THE WORLD’S GREATEST DELIBERATIVE BODY SINKING TO A LOW THAT DENIES SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVEYORS, THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD. THERE ARE TWO THAT SHOULD BE CALLED AS WITNESSES. THERE ARE OTHER WITNESSES LIKE MARK JUDGE WHO NEED TO BE CALLED ABOUT THIS NOMINEE, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE AN FBI INVESTIGATION. TRAINING PROFESSIONALS, NOT THE STAFF OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. TRAINED PROFESSIONALS, NOT –>>WE’RE TRYING TO COVER ALL THE ACTION HERE. THERE IS STUFF HAPPENING IN THE CHAMBER, IN THE COMMITTEE ROOM AND OUTSIDE THIS THE HALLWAY. WE’VE BEEN LOOKING TO DRASTIC SENATORS WHO HAVE WALKED OUT OF THE COMMITTEE ROOM EXPLAINING WHY THEY’VE LEFT AND NOW WE’RE GOING TO HEAD BACK IN. SENATOR GRASSLEY IS TALKING.>>UNLIKE HER DEMOCRAT COLLEAGUES, THEY DEDUCTED THEIR OWN PRIVATE INVESTIGATION, RATHER THAN THE CHAIRMAN. I FIRST LEARNED OF HER ALLEGATIONS WHEN THEY BECAME PUBLISHED “THE NEW YORKER” PUBLISHED LATE IN THE EVENING, SUNDAY 23rd, AND CONTACT THE COUNSEL, ASKING WHEN SHE WAS AVAILABLE FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH COMMITTEE INVESTIGATORS. THE NEXT AFTERNOON WISH HER COUNCIL RESPONDED MS. RAMIREZ QUOTE HAS ACCURATELY RELAYED WHAT SHE RECALLS TO THE NEW YORKER, END QUOTE. HE COUNSEL ADDED, QUOTE SHE WOULD BE WELCOMED AN INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI INTO THIS INVESTIGATION AND WOULD COOPERATE WITH SUCH. ON APPROPRIATE TERMS SHE WOULD ALSO AGREE TO BE INTERVIEWED IN PERSON, END QUOTE. OVER THE 24th AND THE 25th, OF THIS MONTH, MY STAFF REPEATEDLY ASKED MS. RAMIREZ COUNSEL TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE SETTING UP A CALL TO DISCUSS HER ALLEGATIONS SO THAT SUCH A CALL COULD ACTUALLY BE MEANINGFUL AND USEFUL. NUMBER ONE WHETHER SHE HAD QUOTE ANY OTHER EVIDENCE INCLUDING OTHER STATEMENTS IN ADDITION TO THOSE THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE NEW YORKER ARTICLE END OF QUOTE, AND TWO WHETHER SHE WAS QUOTE WILLING TO PROVIDE HER EVIDENCE INCLUDING HER TESTIMONY TO COMMITTEE INVESTIGATORS, END OF QUOTE. MY STAFF REPEATEDLY MADE CLEAR THAT IT WELCOMED QUOTE RECEIPT OF MS. RAMIREZ’S IN THE FORM OF LETTER OR CHAIRMAN OR RANKING MEMBER A LETTER FROM OR E-MAIL FROM COUNSEL TO THE CHAIRMAN OR RANKING MEMBER OR A STATEMENT TO COMMITTEE INVESTIGATORS. MS. RAMIREZ COUNSEL HAS STILL NOT PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE TO COMMITTEE STAFF. IF EVIDENCE EMERGED WE OF COURSE WOULD PROCEED AS APPROPRIATE. MY STAFF ALSO ACTED SWIFTLY TO SET UP AN INTERVIEW WITH JUDGE KAVANAUGH. HE UNEQUIVOCALLY DENIED MS. RAMIREZ’S ALLEGATIONS. I REGRET MY DEMOCRAT COLLEAGUES AGAINST FAILED TO TIMELY BRING THIS RELEVANT INFORMATION TO HIS ATTENTION.>>ALL RIGHT. BACK OUT INTO THE HALLWAY, LISTENING TO THE DEMOCRATIC SENATORS OUTSIDE TALKING, HERE’S MS. HARRIS.>>THEY’VE BEEN PUSHING AND RAMMING THIS THING THROUGH BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE OUR AS OPPOSED TO POT SBEG ITY THE INTEGRITY. HAVE TRANSPARENCY. THIS IS A FAILURE OF THIS BODY TO DO WHAT IT HAS ALWAYS SAID IT’S ABOUT, WHICH IS ABOUT DELIBERATIVE.>>HOW MUCH COORDINATION AND DISCUSSION YOU-ALL DO IN ADVANCE OF YESTERDAY’S HEARING AND WHY WAS THERE SO MUCH FOCUS ON THE FBI INVESTIGATION RATHER THAN THE SUBSTANCE OF HIS PAST?>>YOU DON’T THINK AN FBI INVESTIGATION IS AT THE CORE OF ALL OF THIS? WHAT HAVE WE BEEN SAYING IF NOT THIS? WE DO NOT COORDINATE WALKING OUT. WE FEEL THIS IN HERE, OKAY, AND THAT’S WHY ALL THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY QUESTIONING.>>THE LINE OF QUESTIONING AT YESTERDAY’S HEARING DID YOU DISCUSS THE QUESTIONS YOU WOULD ASK JUDGE KAVANAUGH?>>WHAT DOES THAT MATTER?>>WE’VE BEEN CALLING FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION FOR THE FIRST TIME WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS LETTER FROM DR. BLASEY FORD. WE HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR HEARINGS AND ADDITIONAL WITNESSES FROM DAY ONE. THERE IS NOTHING NOVEL AND THERE IS NO NEED TO COORDINATE BECAUSE THIS POINT IS ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS TO EVERY AND IT’S OBVIOUS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THE SENATE IS RAMMING THROUGH THIS NOMINATION, EXAMINING JUDGE KAVANAUGH THROUGH THE PROCESS WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS, BUT EVENTUALLY, FACTS WILL COME OUT AND THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATIONS AND THE TRUTH WILL OUT.>>AND YOU HAVE TO BE CLEAR ALSO THE SMOKE SCREENS THAT WE’RE SEEING. SO THEY PUT A PROSECUTOR IN, RIGHT? THIS — THE PERSON IN FROM THE PROSECUTOR’S OFFICE IN MARICOPA COUNTY TO GIVE THE SUGGESTION THIS WAS A HEARING THAT WAS ABOUT GETTING INTO EVIDENCE AND FACTS. WELL, SHE SAID HERSELF AND HER PROTOCOL SAYS, IT’S VERY CLEAR YOU DON’T DO THIS WITHOUT AN INVESTIGATION. THE FBI IS AN AGENCY OF SWORN, TRAINED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO AN INVESTIGATION, SO UNDERSTAND THE MISLEADING SUGGESTION YESTERDAY THAT THIS HEARING WAS SUFFICIENT. IF THIS HEARING WERE SUFFICIENT, WE WOULD NOT AS A MATTER OF COURSE HAVE THE FBI DO A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION EVERY TIME WE HAVE A NOMINEE TO THAT COURT BUT THEY WANTED TO CUT OFF THAT PROCESS AND YOU HAVE TO ASK WHY. YOU HAVE TO ASK THAT.>>YOU SAY THEY HAVE THE POWER. PERHAPS WHAT CAN YOU DO NOW?>>WHAT WE’RE DOING RIGHT NOW.>>WE’RE GOING TO USE EVERY TOOL AVAILABLE.>>ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A LOT GOING ON. YOU CAN SEE THE SPLIT SCREEN THERE. ONE SHOWS INSIDE THE COMMITTEE ROOM FOCUSED ON SENATOR GRASSLEY. OUTSIDE, YOU HAVE A GROUP OF DEMOCRATIC SENATORS WHO HAVE GATHERED. THEY WALKED OUT OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND EXPLAINING WHY THEY CHOSE TO WALK OUT. I WANT TO BRING IN ED O’KEEFE SO YOU CAN HELP US SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHAT’S GOING ON. WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE WAITING FOR A VOTE BUT THERE WAS A MOTION ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, A MOTION FROM SENATOR BLUMENTHAL ABOUT SUBPOENAING MARK JUDGE, AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT SEEMED LIKE THINGS SORT OF WENT OFF THE RAILS. JUST EXPLAIN WHAT’S HAPPENED SO FAR THIS MORNING.>>RIGHT, SO WE CONVENED AT 9:30 AND WE WERE EXPECTING THEM TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF VOTING FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH. WHAT CHAIRMAN GRASSLEY SAID WE’RE VOTING AT 1:30 ON BRETT KAVANAUGH. IF WE WANT TO SPEND THE NEXT FEW HOURS YELLING AND SCREAMING, FINE. IF WE WANT TO FILE MOTIONS TO DELAY THIS EVEN LONGER, OKAY, BUT WE’RE HOLDING AN INTERVIEW WITH BRETT KAVANAUGH. WHAT YOU SAW WAS FOUR DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE NO AND WALK OUT. WHEN I ASKED THEM WILL YOUR CHAIR BE EMPTY AT 1:30. THEY ADMITTED THEY DON’T KNOW. ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY’RE DOING IS MAKING NOISE. AT THIS POINT, PROCEDURAL, THAT’S PRETTY MUCH ALL DEMOCRATS CAN DO IS REPUBLICANS PLAN TO HOLD THIS VOTE. THIS IS WHAT WE’VE BEEN SEEING WITH THIS NOMINATION. DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS, CRITICS OF THE PRESIDENT, CONCERNED ABOUT IT, TRYING TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN DO STOP IT AND IT HAS CREDIT SEND OWED SINCE THE ALLEGATIONS OF BRETT KAVANAUGH. ALL OF THESE DEMOCRATS CAN DO IS GO TO THE MICROPHONES, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CALL AND DELAY THINGS. AND REALLY THERE ARE PROTESTERS IN THE BUILDING BEHIND US. THE POLICE ARE KEEPING US BACK, BUT THEY’VE BEEN BLOWING WHISTLES AND SAYING THINGS LIKE, NOVEMBER IS COMING, NOVEMBER IS COMING, WHICH IS TO SAY ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER THIS, AND WE’LL SEE NOW THROUGOUT THE DAY HOW THAT TRANZ PYRES TRAN PYRES AND IF ANYTHING — TRANSPIRES AND IF ANYTHING DOES. AT THIS POINT WE BELIEVE ONLY TWO REPUBLICANS WHO HAVEN’T SAID WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO. BEYOND THEM YOU HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON JOE MANSION, JOE DONNELLEY, AND HEIDI HEITKAMP. HOW DOES THIS WORK FROM A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE? HOW THIS NOMINATION BECOMES FINAL, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO REALLY IS KEEP AN EYE ON THOSE FIVE PEOPLE. THE REST IS JUST NOISE.>>YOU DIDN’T MENTION JEFF BLAKE. IS HE NO LONGER IN CONTENTION?>>HE SAID EARLIER ANNE-MARIE, BEFORE THE HEARING BEGAN HE’S A YES VOTE. HE LAST NIGHT WAS PART OF A MEETING WITH COLLINS AND MURKOWSKI, HE MADE CLEAR HE WAS WITHHOLDING JUDGMENT UNTIL THE HEARING WAS OVER AND THIS MORNING SAID HE WILL VOTE YES. IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WITH JEFF FLAKE BECAUSE PEOPLE GET THIS CONFUSED SOMETIMES. HE’S ONE OF THE PRESIDENT’S BIGGEST CRITICS SO MUCH SO HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT. HE’S NOT GETTING CHRISTMAS CARDS FROM THE TRUMP FAMILY ANYMORE BUT WHEN YOU ASK HIM IS THERE ANYTHING PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES THAT HE LIKES? HE SAID I LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOMINEES ON SUPREME COURTS. THEY ARE EXACTLY LOOT MEN AND WOMEN I WANT TO SEE SERVING ON DISTRICT COURTS AND APPEALS COURTS. LAST YEAR HE WAS OVER THE NOMINEE MOON ABOUT NOMINEE NEIL GORSUCH AND WAS CONCERNED WHEN THESE ALLEGATIONS HAD TO BE HANDLED ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE SENATE AND THE WAY IT HANDLES THINGS. IN HIS VIEW, IT HAS. YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND HE’S NOT POSSIBLY RULED OUT FOR 2020 AS PRESIDENT. IF YOU VOTE AGAINST A GUY WHO IS BY ALL MEASURES A JUDICIAL CONSERVATIVE, WHO WANT TO BE SEEN ON THE COURT SEPARATE FROM HIS ALLEGED BEHAVIOR, THEN WHY WOULDN’T YOU VOTE FOR SOMEBODY LIKE THIS IF YOU’RE STILL THINKING ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL FUTURE.>>IT WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF TAPE. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PROFIT ORS DOWN THE HALL AND ABOUT THE MESSAGE — PROTESTORS DOWN THE HALL BUILT MESSAGE THEY’RE TRYING SEND AND WHO KNOWS WHAT FLAKE’S FUTURE PLANS ARE. HE WAS ACCOSTED EARLIER. WE’RE GOING TO PLAY THAT.>>I WANT THE STORY OF MY SEXUAL ASSAULT. I TOLD THEM I RECOGNIZE SHE’S TELLING THE TRUTH. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ALLOWING SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY VIOLATED A WOMAN TO SIT IN THE SUPREME COURT. THIS IS HORRIBLE. YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN YOUR FAMILY. THINK ABOUT THEM. I HAVE TWO CHILDREN. I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS, THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE IN THE SUPREME COURT WHO HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF VIOLATING A YOUNG GIRL. WHAT ARE YOU DOING, SIR?>>I WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND NOBODY BELIEVES ME. I DIDN’T TELL ANYONE AND YOU’RE TELLING ALL WOMEN THEY DON’T MATTER, THEY SHOULD JUST STAY QUIET BECAUSE IF THEY TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM, YOU’RE GOING TO IGNORE THEM. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ALL WOMEN IN AMERICA, THAT THEY DON’T MATTER. YOU SHOULD JUST KEEP IT TO THEMSELVES BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE TOLD THE TRUTH, YOU’RE JUST GOING TO HELP THAT MAN TO POWER ANY WAY. THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ALL THE WOMEN. THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ME RIGHT NOW. LOOK AT ME WHEN I’M TALKING TO YOU. YOU’RE TELLING ME MY ASSAULT DOESN’T MATTER. WHAT HAPPENED TO ME DOESN’T MATTER. AND THAT YOU’RE GOING TO LET PEOPLE WHO DO THESE THINGS INTO POWER. THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ME WHEN YOU VOTE FOR HIM. DON’T LOOK AWAY FROM ME. LOOK AT ME AND TELL ME THAT SOMETHING DID HAPPEN TO ME, THAT YOU’LL LET PEOPLE LIKE THAT COME INTO A HIGHEST COURT OF THE LAND AND TELL EVERYONE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO THEIR BODIES. DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER, SENATOR?>>DO YOU THINK BRETT KAVANAUGH IS TELLING THE TRUTH? DO YOU THINK THAT HE’S ABLE TO FEEL THE PAIN OF HIS COUNTRY AND REPAIR IT? THAT IS THE WORK OF JUSTICE, THE WAY THAT JUSTICE WORKS IS YOU RECOGNIZE HURT, YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, AND THEN YOU BEGIN TO REPAIR IT. YOU’RE ALLOWING SOMEONE WHO IS UNWILLING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS AND HARM HE DOES TO ONE WOMAN — ACTUALLY THREE WOMEN AND END REPAIR IT. YOU ARE ALLOWING SOMEONE WHO IS UNWILLING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS TO SIT IN THE HIGHER COURT OF THE COUNTRY AND TO HAVE THE JOB OF PREPARING THE HARM THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THIS COUNTRY TO MANY PEOPLE. NO THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU THINK? DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER?>>QUESTIONS FOR THE SENATOR?>>I WANT TO TALK TO HIM. DON’T TALK TO ME. TELL ME. I’M STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. DO YOU THINK HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH? DO YOU THINK THAT HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH TO THE COUNTRY?>>SO MANY WOMEN ARE POWERLESS.>>I’D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.>>CAN YOU NOT GIVE HIM AN ANSWER, SENATOR? YOU JUST RELEASED A PRESS STATEMENT. YOU DON’T HAVE THE COURAGE TO GIVE THEM AN ANSWER? THANK YOU IS NOT AN ANSWER, SENATOR.>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU IS NOT AN ANSWER. WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY, SIR?>>YOU CAN BE A HERO TODAY.>>BE A HERO.>>YOU COULD BE A HERO AND VOTE NO. WHY NOT WAIT? WHY NOT WAIT? WHY NOT WAIT FOR THE INVESTIGATION? THERE’S NO ARM.>>HOW YOU CAN BE SPEECHLESS? WE DEMAND TO KNOW WHAT YOU’RE THINKING. DO YOU STAND WITH WOMEN? DO YOU STAND WITH THIS NATION WHO DESERVES DUE PROCESS?>>SENATOR DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THEIR COMPLAINTS? SENATOR DO YOU CARE TO RESPOND TO THOSE COMPLAINTS?>>I NEED TO GO TO THE HEARING. I ISSUED A STATEMENT.>>YOU CAN SEND AN E-MAIL? YOU CAN’T GIVE AN ANSWER?>>THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS. DO THESE WOMEN NOT DESERVE AN ANSWER?>>WHY DON’T YOU WAIT FOR AN FIB INVESTIGATION?>>EVERYONE DESERVES AN ANSWER.>>BE A HERO. DO WHAT IS RIGHT.>>ED O’KEEFE, I KNOW YOU’RE STANDING BY, THAT WAS SENATOR JEFF FLAKE BEING CONFRONTED BY SOME PROTESTORS AND YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS WHEN WE FIRST HEART ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH, THE CONCERN FOR SOME PEOPLE WAS IDEALOGICAL, HIS POINT OF VIEW ON ROE V. WADE AND SUCH THINGS IN RELATIONS TO THE ISSUES THAT AFFECT WOMEN AND NOW IT’S BECOME VERY PERSONAL, THOSE WOMEN WERE TELLING JEFF FLAKE THEY WERE ALSO VICTIMS, THAT THEY FELT THAT BY SUPPORTING BRETT KAVANAUGH THEY WERE — THAT HE WAS DISPLAYING A LACK OF COMPASSION, A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING FOR VICTIMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THEMSELVES. SENATOR FLAKE REALLY FOUND HIMSELF IN A POSITION WHERE THERE WAS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER. THERE WAS NOTHING TO SAY TO THESE LADIES.>>AND THIS KIND OF DIRECT CONFRONTATION IS RARE, BUT THERE WAS A SIMILAR EXCHANGE YESTERDAY BETWEEN LINDSEY GRAHAM AND A WOMAN WHO TOLD THEM SHE HAD BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND HE BASICALLY TOLD HER IN RESPONSE, YOU SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO THE POLICE ABOUT THAT. BASICALLY SAYING THERE IS REALLY NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT. THIS PLACE IS TEAMING WITH PROTESTORS AND COPS. YESTERDAY WE WERE TOLD AT LEAST 1,200 WERE HERE. EVERY AVAILABLE CAPITAL POLICE OFFICER IS ON DUTY TODAY. SOME OF THEM WORKING 16-HOUR DAYS TO MAKE SURE THIS PLACE REMAINS SOMEWHAT CALM AND ORDERLY. THEY KEEP DEPLOYING OUT OF A BACK ROAD HERE JUST TO THE SIDE OF THE HEARING ROOM AND THEY’VE BEEN BLOCKING OFF THE ABILITY OF PROTESTORS TO GET ANYWHERE NEAR THIS HEARING ROOM, CHECKING I.D.s AS YOU ROUND EVERY CORNER. THAT’S A RARE SIGHT HERE BUT SPEAKS TO THE STAKES AND WHAT’S GOING ON. IF YOU DON’T HAVE AN APPOINTMENT, YOU CAN STILL COME IN. EVERYONE RESPECTS IT AS LONG AS YOU’RE ORDERLY. THIS KIND OF CON41TATION, RARE BUT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE REAL PASSION AND CONCERN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON.>>HOW DIFFICULT IS THIS FOR THESE — THESE OLDER MALE LAWMAKERS? WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE COMMITTEE HEARING THEY BROUGHT IN A FEMALE PROSECUTOR TO QUESTION THE VICTIM, DR. FORD, BUT AS WE’RE MOVING FORWARD, AS I’M WATCHING SENATOR FLAKE’S FACE AND THEY’RE DEMANDING SOME SORT OF RESPONSE FROM HIM AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE KNOWS JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND HE SAID HE DID BELIEVE JUDGE KAVANAUGH, IT’S JUST VERY EASY I WOULD THINK FOR SOME OF THESE SENATORS TO SAY THE WRONG THING WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WERE PERSONALLY VIOLATED IT’S GOT TO BE A TIGHT ROPE WALK FOR THEM.>>IT’S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THEY’RE NOT USED TO AND THE REASON WHY THEY BROUGHT IN THAT PROSECUTOR FROM MARICOPA COUNTY, ARIZONA WHO QUIZZED DR. FORD DURING THE HEARING. THERE WAS GRAVE CONCERN A PANEL OF ALL WHITE OLDER MEN TRYING TO ASK THIS WOMAN QUESTIONS WOULD BE SEEN IN THIS ERA AS SOMETHING JUST TOTALLY OUT OF THE NORM AND SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REALLY POLITICALLY RISKY. THEY TOOK IT, THEMSELVES TO QUESTION JUDGE KAVANAUGH, OR SPEAK TO HIS CHARACTER. BUT YOU’RE RIGHT A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT NECESSARILY CONFRONTED ON A REGULAR BAY SUS. NOT ONLY ARE THEY OLDER MEN BUT CAN COME IN STATES THAT SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT, THAT ARE MORE CONSERVE TIFF WHERE VOTERS ARE PROBABLY FAVORING JUDGE KAVANAUGH OVER THE ALTERNATIVE AND CORRECT TO SEE PEOPLE LIKE HIM WHEN 2 TO HIS RULE IT BECOMES IN CONNECTION WITH HIS IDEOLOGY, ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNGER ONES IN PLACES LIKE ARIZONA, TEXAS FOR TED CRUZ, IS FACING A BIG RE-ELECTION THIS YEAR. YESTERDAY BROKE ALL SORTS OF NORMS. THERE WAS A TOTAL LACK OF DEQUORUM. I DO WONDER BECAUSE WE’VE STARTED TO SEE A LOT MORE OF THIS, WHETHER DIRECT CONFRONTATION, EITHER HERE OR WHEN THEY’RE OUT FOR DINNER, ON THE AIRPLANE HOME, WHETHER THAT WILL BE THE NORM AND WHETHER THAT’S A GOOD THING. WE’VE SEEN THE THREATS AGAINST LAW MAKERS SPIKE TO RECORD LEVELS ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN POWER. IT’S SOMETHING THAT ARE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO AND FRANKLY THEY’RE CONCERNED AND AFRAID OF.>>IT’S DEFINITELY UNDER — ONE CAN UNDERSTAND I’M THINKING ABOUT ORIN HATCH BEING ASKED WHAT HE THOUGHT ABOUT DR. FORD WAS SHE WAS ATTRACTED AND NICE AND UNDERSTOOD AS AN ATTRACTIVE WITNESS BUT IT WAS JUST SORT OF ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, HERE’S A GUY THAT MAY NOT QUITE SORT OF GET IT, WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ROOM BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION, IF DEMOCRATS DO NOT RETURN AT 1:30, DOES THE VOTE GO AHEAD? DOES IT MATTER HOW MANY SENATORS ARE THERE?>>YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE QUORUM, WHICH MEANS YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO DEMOCRATS IN THE ROOM AND YOU PROBABLY WILL, AND IN THEY DO AND WE ALREADY SENSE AND KNOW IT’S GOING TO BE A PARTY LINE VOTE, IT’S GOING TO BE 11 YESES AND HOWEVER DEMOCRATS SHOWED UP. I THINK IF THEY’RE NOT THERE, THEY’RE RECORDED AS NOT PRESENT UNLESS THEY SENT A PROXY VOTE AND I DON’T KNOW IN THE CASE OF THE SUPREME COURT NOMINEE THEY CAN DO THAT. YOU’RE TESTING MY KNOWLEDGE OF JUDICIARY COMMITTEE RULES. I NEVER THOUGHT WE’D HAVE TO GET INTO IT.>>I’M SORRY.>>SUCH AS THE TIMES WE LIVE IN.>>I’M SORRY EVERY QUESTION I USUALLY COME AT YOU, YOU COME BACK WITH A GREAT ANSWER.>>WE HIT THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL. ED O’KEEFE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>>WE’RE GOING TO HEAD BACK INTO THE COMMITTEE ROOM NOW. SENATOR LEHI IS TALKING.>>JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S DEFIANT AND EVASIVENESS, VEHEMENT ATTACKS IN THEHE FACE OF POWERFUL AND WILL INCRIMINATING TESTIMONY SURPASSING THAT OF CLARENCE THOMAS AND ANITA HILL. HE TRIED TO PORTRAY DR. FORD’S ALLEGATION AS PART OF A CALCULATION K ISOLATED AND ORCHESTRATED — CALCULATED AND ORCHESTRATED HIT. PEOPLE TRY TO BLAME THE VICTIM, NOT TO OWN UP TO THEIR OWN DEEDS. HE ANGLY ASSERTED BAYLESS POLITICAL TIRADES AND WAS ALL TOO EAGER TO PROMOTE THE TALKING POINT SENATOR FEINSTEIN WAS LYING IN WAIT WITH THIS ALLEGATION AND CLAIMED THE ALLEGATIONS WERE DRIVEN BY REVENGE ON BEHALF OF THE CLINTONS. IT’S HARD TO MAKE THIS STUFF UP. THAT AMOUNTS TO CONSPIRTORYIAL MADNESS. I’VE NEVER SEEN SUCH VOLATILITY, PARTISAN SHIP AND LACK OF JUDICIAL TEMPERAMENT FROM ANY NOMINEE, ANY COURT, IN ANY ADMINISTRATION. THERE IS NO SECRET THAT I’M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT JUSTICE KAVANAUGH WOULD MEAN FOR THE WRITINGS OF WOMEN, FOR WORKERS, FOR UNCHECKED PRESIDENTIAL POWER AND OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUES. I ALSO BELIEVE HE’S UNFIT TO SERVE ON OUR NATION’S HIGHEST COURT BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY OF MISLEADING THE SENATE WHILE UNDER OATH. BUT AS SERIOUS AS THESE CONCERNS ARE, THIS IS DIFFERENT. VOTING TO ADVANCE AND ULTIMATELY CONFIRM JUDGE KAVANAUGH WHILE HE’S UNDER THIS DARK CLOUD OF SUSPICION, WILL FOREVER CHANGE THIS SENATE AND OUR NATION’S HIGHEST COURT. HE POLITICIZED THE GOVERNMENT WHICH SHOULD BE ABOVE POLITICS AND FOR VICTIMS OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE STRUGGLING TO COME FORWARD, THE CONSEQUENCES MAY BE EVEN WORSE. EVERY ONE OF US WHO HAS BEEN A PROSECUTOR HAS SEEN HOW HARD IT IS SOMETIMES FOR VICTIMS TO COME FORWARD AND ARE WE SENDING THE SIGNAL THAT YOU STAY THERE, DON’T COME FORTH? YOU KNOW HOW THIS COMMITTEE HANDLE THIS IS NOMINATION WILL BE VIEWED AS A REFLECTION OF OUR SERIOUSLY OUR SOCIETY VIEWS CREDIBLE CLAIMS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. DURING DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY, THE NATIONAL SEXUAL HOTLINE SAW AN UNPRECEDENTED 147% INCREASE IN CALLS. WHEN SURVIVORS SEE US TAKING SEXUAL ASSAULT SERIOUSLY, THEY’RE EMPOWERED TO COME FORWARD. IF THEY SEE US CAL USUALLY SWEEPING IT UNDER THE RUG I FEEL THEY’LL HAVE DISASTERS, CONSEQUENCES. IF VICTIMS THINK THEY’LL NEVER BE BELIEVED OR NOT MATTER EVEN IF THEY ARE BELIEVED, THEN WHY COME FORWARD AT ALL. DR. FORD DESERVES TO BE HEARD. AND THAT MUST MEAN MORE THAN JUST CHECKING A BOX. REMEMBER, DR. FORD DID NOT SPEND HER ENTIRE LIFE PREPARING FOR THIS MOMENT. SHE IS NOT BACKED BY THE MOST POWERFUL OFFICIALS IN OUR NATION’S GOVERNMENT. SHE DID NOT COME WITH A POLITICAL AGENDA AND DID NOT TESTIFY WITH A JOB PROMOTION ON THE LINE. SHE DID NOT EVADE OUR QUESTIONS AND SHE DID NOT DEMEAN OUR MOTIVES OF EITHER REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS. SHE INSTEAD PLAINLY, WITH GRACE, AND AT TIMES E EMOTIONALLY, RECOUNTED THE DRAMA THAT SHE EXPERIENCED AS A 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL. TRAUMA HAS BEEN HAUNTING HER FOR THE 36 YEARS SINCE. SHE HAD NOTHING TO GAIN, EVERYTHING TO LOSE, BY COMING FORWARD. I LISTEN CLOSELY TO BOTH HER AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND I BELIEVE HER AS I BELIEVED ANITA HILL. I’LL BE VOTING NO ON JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION. HE DOES NOT HAVE THE VERACITY OR TEMPERAMENT TO THE HIGHER COURT IN OUR NATION. AND NO SUCH NOMINEE SHOULD BE CONFIRMED IN THE FACE OF SUCH SERIOUS, CREDIBLE, AND UNRESOLVED — AND UNRESOLVED ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.>>SENATOR GRAHAM.>>THANK YOU. I KNOW I’M A SINGLE WHITE MALE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA AND I’M TOLD I SHOULD SHUT UP BUT I WILL NOT SHUT UP IF THAT’S OKAY, BECAUSE I GOT HERE THE SAME WAY EVERYBODY ELSE DID. THE PEOPLE IN SOUTH CAROLINA VOTED FOR ME AND SENATOR SCOTT TO BE THEIR VOICE OF MEN AND WOMEN AND I’M GOING TO TRY TO BE THEIR VOICE TODAY AND MAYBE NOT JUST FOR SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT I THINK IS GOING ON HERE. JOE BIDEN, I CAN’T BELIEVE WE’RE SAYING THIS ON OUR SIDE, LISTENED TO JOE, BUT JOE WAS RIGHT A LOT. JOE BIDEN IS A UNIQUE GUY, IF YOU HAD ONE LAST CONVERSATION BEFORE YOU DIE, YOU’D WANT TO HAVE IT WITH JOE. YOU’D BE AROUND FOR A WHILE. HE’S A DECENT GUY. IF HE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT, BE HART TO BEAT. HE CAME TO SENATOR THURMAN’S FUNERAL. HE SAID I JUST LIKE THE OLD GUY. I DIDN’T AGREE WITH HIM AND I DIDN’T LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS HE DID IN HIS LIFE, BUT WHEN I WAS DOWN AND OUT HE WAS THERE FOR ME. AND TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE, THIS WILL END AND WE’LL SEE WHAT WE DO NEXT. I HOPE WE CAN MUSTER THE ABILITY TO COME FORWARD, BUT FROM OBSERVATIONS ABOUT WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES AND HOW WE GOT HERE. I WROTE A BOOK AND I THINK SENATOR BLUMENTHAL IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT READ IT. IT WAS ONLINE AND I GOT 1% SO I’VE HAD MY TIME TO BE PRESIDENT. DIDN’T GO VERY FAR AND I LOST. I DIDN’T THINK TRUMP WOULD WIN. I RAN OUT OF ORANGETIVES TO DESCRIBE ABOUT HOW I FELT — OUT OF ADJECTIVES AND ABOUT HOW I FELT ABOUT HIS CAMPAIGN. HE WON AND I LOST AND HE’S PRESIDENT AND I’LL TRY TO HELP HIM WHERE I CAN AND SAY NO WHEN HI MUST AND THE ELECTION’S — SAY NO WHEN I MUST AND THE ELECTION’S OVER FOR ME. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL HIM YOU HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE FOR THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY OF JUSTICE KENNEDY. I THINK DID YOU A GOOD JOB, MR. PRESIDENT. FOR SOMEBODY WHO SUPPOSEDLY CRAZY AND THERE IS CHAOS EVERYWHERE, HE DID A GOOD JOB HERE. NOW WHY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GORSUCH AND KENNEDY — GORSUCH AND KAVANAUGH? IT’S THE KENNEDY SEEP. IF YOU DON’T GET THAT YOU’RE NOT PAYING MUCH ATTENTION. GORSUCH IS AN EVEN SWAP FOR J ANTONIN SCALIA, BUT THIS IS THE GUY IN THE MIDDLE THAT RISKS, KAVANAUGH CLERKED FOR JUSTICE KENNEDY. WOULD YOU HAVE PICKED HIM? NO, BUT YOU LOST THE ELECTION. AND THAT DOES HAVE CONSEQUENCES. WHEN I SAID IT, ABOUT OBAMA WINNING, I MEANT IT. MERRICK GARLAND, ANTONIN SCALIA DIES IN THE ELECTION YEAR, THE LAST YEAR OF THE TERM OF PRESIDENT OBAMA, THE PRIMARIES ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY. NOT IN 100 YEARS HAS ANYBODY BEEN NOMINATED UNDERSTAND THAT CIRCUMSTANCE SO I DON’T THINK I DID ANYTHING UNFAIR TO GARLAND. AS TO SOTOMAYOR, I WAS TOLD THEY HATE GUNS AND YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM OFF THE COURT. THEY HATE GUNS, ON, AND ON, AND ON. I TRIED TO GO BACK TO WHAT THIS COMMITTEE USED TO DO. THURMAN VOTED BECAUSE HE DIDN’T AGREE WITH THEIR PHILOSOPHY, I THINK HE SAW IN HER A QUALIFIED PERSON AND HOT I GUESS VOTED FOR SCALIA. THE SAME IS TRUE. 96 AND 97 VOTES. WHAT’S HAPPENED? MOST OF THE NOMINEES IN THE SUPREME COURT NEVER HAD A HEARING. IT WAS ALWAYS JUST ASSUMED THEY’RE QUALIFIED AND ARE NOT HACKS, THEY’RE GOING TO GO FORWARD. ELECTIONS DO MATTER. WHEN IT COMES TO PRESIDENT TRUMP, ELECTIONS DO MATTER. NOW, ABOUT THE LAW, AND TO MY FRIENDS WHO HAVE BEEN PROSECUTORS. I’VE BEEN A PROSECUTOR, I’VE BEEN A DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND I’VE BEEN A JUDGE. EVERY WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN VICTIMIZED NEEDS TO BE HEARD, COUNT ME IN A THOUSAND TIMES OVER. COUNT ME IN FOR THE PROPOSITION OF EVERY ONE WOMAN WHO COMES FORWARD, ONLY GOD KNOWS HOW MANY WOMEN AND CHILDREN GO TO THEIR GRAVE WITH THE ABUSE. IF YOU DON’T REALIZE THAT, YOU JUST DON’T KNOW THIS AREA OF LIFE, BUT YOU’RE GOING TO BE HEARD IN THE UNITED STATES. I HAD A YOUNG MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT WHEN I WAS IN THE AIR FORCE AS A DEFENSE ATTORNEY. THE CASE EVENTUALLY FELL APART AND HE ALMOST KILLED HIMSELF. I HAD WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN GANG RAPED AND DIDN’T WANT TO TESTIFY BUT THEY DID, ALONG WITH COUNSELORS, I SAT WITH THEM ALL NIGHT. TOUGH STUFF. EMOTIONAL. WHO WOULD HAVE BELIEVED? I’VE BEEN DOING THIS LEGAL STUFF MOST OF MY LIFE. I’VE NEVER HEARD A MORE COMPELLING DEFENSE OF ONE’S HONOR AND SBEGITY THAN I DID FROM BRETT KAVANAUGH. HE LOOKED ME IN THE EYE, EVERYBODY IN THE EYE AND HE WAS MAD AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAD. HE COULD TELL YOU WHERE HE WAS AT AND WHAT HE WAS DOING HIGH SCHOOL IN A WAY THAT JUST BLEW ME AWAY. BRETT KAVANAUGH AND WOMEN, IF YOU’RE A GANG RAPIST IN HIGH SCHOOL, YOU DON’T LET IT GO. EVERYONE WOMAN WHO KNOWS BRETT KAVANAUGH HAS COME FORWARD TO SAY HE’S NOT THAT KIND OF GUY. HE’S BEEN AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OFFER IS HAVE YOU, SIX FBI INVESTIGATIONS AND WE MISSED THE SOPHOMORE JUNIOR GANG RAPIST. WE DIDN’T MISS IT. IT’S A BUNCH OF GARBAGE. WE’RE IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE AND HERE’S WHAT I WOULD SAY, MS. FORD, ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT MS. FORD, I FEEL SORRY FOR HER AND I DO BELIEVE SOMETHING HAPPENED TO HER AND I DON’T KNOW WHEN AND WHERE, BUT I DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH AND AS A PROSECUTOR, YOU COULDN’T GET OUT OF THE BATTER’S BOX BECAUSE IN AMERICA, BEFORE YOU CAN ACCUSE SOMEBODY OF A CRIME YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM WHEN IT HAPPENED AND WHERE IT HAPPENED AND YOU HAVE TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IT DID HAPPEN. THE REASON THIS CASE WILL NEVER BE BROUGHT IN MARYLAND OR ANYWHERE ELSE, YOU JUST CAN’T GET THERE. IF YOU WANTED TO GET A WARRANT, WHICH IS A PROXIMATE CAUSE STANDARD TO SEARCH OR ARREST SOMEONE — PROBABLY CAUSE, YOU — PROBALBLE CAUSE WHERE AND WHEN IT HAPPENED. AT THIS TIME BURDEN ON YOU TO PROVE YOU WERE NOT AT A PARTY 35 YEARS AGO AND WON’T TELL YOU WHERE OR WHEN IT WAS? SO ALL THE I CAN SAY IS UNDER ANY REASONABLE STANDARD, ANY CONCEPT OF THE RULE OF LAW, THIS WOULD NOT GO FORWARD. THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE ALLEGATIONS HERE. THE FIFTH ALLEGATION WAS BROUGHT TO ME BY SENATOR WHITE HOUSE WHO DID ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING. SOMEBODY CONTACTED HIM IN RHODE ISLAND AND SAID, A FRIEND OF HIS WAS ON A BOAT WITH MARK JUDGE AND BRETT KAVANAUGH AND TREATED HER BAT BODILY. HE WENT DOWN AND BEAT HIM UP AND SHE WON’T COME FORWARD. I SAID I’LL MAKE SURE, I’LL JOIN WITH YOU, LET THE FBI LOOK AT IT, AND TURNED OUT NOT TO BE TRUE. THE FOURTH ALLEGATION WAS AN ANONYMOUS ALLEGATION, ALERT ARE WITHOUT A DATE OR RETURN ADDRESS SENT TO CORY GARDNER JUST A FEW DAYS AGO AND HE TURNED IT OVER TO THE COMMITTEE AND SOMEBODY LEAK TODAY TO NBC NEWS AND IT MADE IT ON THE — LEAKED IT ON THE NEWS AND MADE IT ON THE NEWS, THE FOURTH ALLEGATION. THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME. I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON OVER THERE BUT THAT’S NOT RIGHT. IT WAS SOMEBODY OVER THERE. NOW ABOUT MS. FORD I FEEL REALLY BAD SHE WANTED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS AND COULD NOT. THE ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE IS DIANNE FEINSTEIN WOULD NOT DO THIS AND DID NOT DO THIS. I KNOW FOR SURE SOMEBODY DID. IT WASN’T SHATTER FROM A FRIEND. THREE GROUPS HAD THIS LETTER THAT WAS REQUESTED TO BE ANONYMOUS. DIANNE FEINSTEIN AND HER STAFF, THE CONGRESSWOMAN FROM CALIFORNIA AND HER STAFF, AND THE LAWYERS. SOMEBODY BETRAYED HER TRUST, AND IF YOU CAN’T FIGURE OUT WHY YOU SHOULDN’T BE DRIVING. TO DELAY THIS HEARING, TO SET IN MOTION THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS MAN TO KEEP THIS SEAT OPEN PAST THE ELECTION. THAT I KNOW BEYOND ANY, ANY DOUBT. WHAT ELSE DO I KNOW? ABOUT FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR WHEN DR. FORD SAID YESTERDAY, I DIDN’T KNOW YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO COME TO ME. THE E-MAIL INTERACTIONS BETWEEN THIS COMMITTEE AND HER LAWYERS, MY STAFF WOULD STILL WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH DR. FORD AT ANY TIME, ANYPLACE CONVENIENT TO HER. COME TO US OR WE TO YOU AND I’M WILLING TO HAVE MY STAFF TRAVEL TO DR. FORD IN CALIFORNIA OR ANYWHERE ELSE TO OBTAIN HER TESTIMONY SEPTEMBER 19th. WELL, THAT WOULDN’T FIT IN THE PLAN. IT WOULDN’T BE PUBLIC, AND IT WOULD GET OVER WITH SOONER THAN PEOPLE WANTED. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE BUT I TEND TO BELIEVE THAT DR. FORD DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS INVITATION. AND I’VE BEEN A LAWYER MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO ASK THE QUESTION, TO HER LAWYERS, HOW COULD SHE NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS. ARE YOU BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT’S BEEN GOING ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME IN THIS CASE, IT’S NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT. SO IF THIS IS THE NEW STANDARD, THE ACCUSATION PROVES ITSELF TO THOSE WHO WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS, YOU HATE WOMEN, GOT HELP US ALL. IF THE NEW STANDARD FOR THE COMMITTEE, IS THERE IS NO PRESUMPTION OF ANYTHING, THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVE WHY SOMEBODY OULD ACCUSE YOU, NOI DIDN’T DO IT AND HERE’S WHY I DIDN’T DO IT BUT YOU HAVE TO PROVE THE MOTIVES OF YOUR ACCUSER. GOD HELP US ALL. THE MICHAEL AVENATTI MOMENT, TELLS YOU WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE KEEP THIS FORCE GOING. PLENTY OF TIME, PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO GET TO THE TRUTH. THIS HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT THE TRUTH. THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT DELAY AND DESTRUCTION, AND IF WE REWARD THIS, IT IS THE END OF GOOD PEOPLE WANTING TO BE JUDGES, IT IS THE END OF WANTING ANY CONCEPT OF THE RULE OF LAW. IT’S THE BEGINNING OF A PROCESS THAT WILL TEAR THIS COUNTRY APART. AND IF I AM CHAIRMAN, NEXT YEAR, IF WE KEEP THE MAJORITY AND SENATOR GRASSLEY MOVES OVER, AND I HOPE HE DOESN’T BECAUSE I THINK HE’S DONE A GREAT JOB. I’M GOING TO REMEMBER THIS. THERE IS THE PROCESS BEFORE KAVANAUGH AND THE PROCESS AFTER KAVANAUGH. IF YOU WANT TO VET THE NOMINEE, YOU CAN. IF YOU WANT TO DELAY THINGS FOR THE NEXT ELECTION, YOU WILL NOT. IF YOU TRY TO DESTROY SOMEBODY YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH IT. JEFF IS LEAVING. HE HAS WRESTLED WITH THIS. HE’S TRYING TO BE FAIR. I CANNOT TELL YOU, JEFF, WHAT HAPPENED 35 YEARS AGO. I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THAT THROUGH ANY LEGAL SYSTEM, THIS THING WOULD NOT GET OUT OF THE BATTER’S BOX AND THAT EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT JUDGE KAVANAUGH SCREAMS THAT THIS DIDN’T HAPPEN. AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS SO TO MY GOOD FRIEND, FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO ARE STRUGGLING, I THINK AN FBI INVESTIGATION IS GOING TO DO NOTHING. IT’S NOT GOING TO TELL KNEW MORE THAN WE KNOW NOW. IT’S GOING TO JUST KEEP IT GOING, AND GOING, AND GOING UNTIL HE BREAKS UNTIL THE NEXT FIVE COME FORWARD. I’M GOING TO VOTE YES. AND I’M GOING TO TELL HIS TWO DAUGHTERS THAT I’M PROUD OF YOUR DAD AND I REALLY, REALLY BELIEVO TELL DR. FORD I’M SORRY YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS, TOO.>>SENATOR DURBIN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THURSDAY WAS A HISTORIC DAY IN THE SENATE COMMIT WE MORE THAN ITS FAIR SHARE OF HISTORY AND IN OUR DELIBERATIONS OVER THE NOMINATION OF BRETT KAVANAUGH WE HAVE CONFRONTED SOME OF THE MOST SERIOUS CHARGES EVER LEVELED AGAINST A NOMINEE. THOSE CHARGES WERE MADE AT A MOMENT IN THE NATION’S HISTORY WHEN WE WERE LIVING THROUGH CULTURAL REVOLUTION. WOMEN IN AMERICA ARE NOT ONLY EMERGING INTO MORE AND MORE POSITIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY, THEY ARE NOW AIRING GRIEVANCES OVER SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ABUSE AT EVERY LEVEL OF SOCIETY, CAUGHT IN THE VORTEX OF THIS CULTURAL SHIFT, THERE IS NOT A PERSON IN THIS ROOM WHO CAN TRULY MEASURE THE TRAJECTORY OR ULTIMATE OUTCOME OF THIS HISTORIC CHANGE. AMERICA IS MARCHING FORWARD IN THE PURSUIT OF JUSTICE FOR WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY. SADLY, MANY ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ARE STILL MIRED IN THE DEAD SPACE IT WAS 27 YEARS AGO DURING THE CLARENCE THOMAS HEARING. YESTERDAY IN THIS ROOM, AMERICA SAW THIS INFLAMMATORY ISSUE IN REAL TIME IN REAL LIFE. DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD WAS CREDIBLE, COOPERATIVE, AND RESOLUTE. WHEN I ASKED HER DIRECTLY UNDER OATH, THE DEGREE OF THE CERTAINTY THAT SHE HAD SHE WAS ASSAULTED BY BRETT KAVANAUGH, SHE RESPONDED “100%”, WHEN THE PROSECUTOR ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE TRY TO WAVE A POLITICAL CONSPIRACY, OR MAKE HER A TOOL OVER LIARS, IT FELL FLAT. THIS WOMAN WHO IDENTIFIED BRETT KAVANAUGH AS HER ASSAILANT TO HER HUSBAND AND THERAPIST SIX YEARS AGO BELIEVED SHE HAD A RESPONSIBILITY AS A CITIZEN — AS A CITIZEN TO COME FORWARD AND TELL HER STORY. I THOUGHT ABOUT THE WORDS SHE USED DURING THE COURSE OF HER TESTIMONY YESTERDAY, THE WORD SHE USED MORE OFTEN THAN NOT WAS “HELPFUL.” SHE WANTED TO BE HELPFUL TO THIS IN COMMITTEE AND. I BELIEVE HER. SHE WAS AFRAID FOR HER FAMILY AND CONFIDED IN HER COLLEAGUE, DIANNE FEINSTEIN, WITH THE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING I DID KNOW WOULD PROTECT HER IDENTITY AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT DIANE ACCEPTED THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND KEPT HER WORD. YESTERDAY TWO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMIT LEVELED PERSONAL ATTACKS AT SENATOR FEINSTEIN AND SAID SHE CONCEALED HER LETTER FOR PARTISAN REASONS AND ONE WENT SO FAR TO SAY SHE LEAKED THE CONTENTS OF THAT LETTER OR HER STAFF TO THE PRESS. PERHAPS IN THIS TRUMPIAN ERA, THOSE SOUTH CAROLINAS OF BASELESS CHARGES ARE TO BE EXACTED BUT IF WE DESCEND TO THIS LEVEL OF POLITICAL DISCOURSE WE HAVE FORSAKEN THE TRADITIONS OF SENATE AND THE COMEDY, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL TO OUR PUBLIC SERVICE AND FOR THE RECORD, THIS BASELESS CLAIM WAS REFUTED IMMEDIATELY BY THE INTERSEPT, WHICH WAS FIRST TO PUBLISH THE STORY ABOUT DR.úFOR. THEIR REPORTER SAID LAST NIGHT AND I QUOTE, FEINSTEIN’S STAFF DID NOT LEAK THE LETTER TO THE INTERSEPT. YESTERDAY, DR. FORD MADE THE PENALTY DECISION TO TELL HER STORY PUBLICLY. SHE CAME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE UNDERNEATH AND VOLUNTEERED TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION. NONE OF THE REPUBLICANS ON THIS COMMITTEE WERE WILLING TO QUESTION OR CONFRONT HER, NOT ONE. THEY SAT SILENT AS THEIR PROSECUTOR MS. MITCHELL TRIED TO DO THE WORK. IT WAS A DIFFERENT STORY, LAST NIGHT ON A TV SHOW ONE SENATOR SAID AND I QUOTE, MS. FORD HAS GOT A PROBLEM, AND DESTROYING JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S LIFE WON’T FIX HER PROBLEM. HOW COULD YOU LISTEN TO HER HONEST AND DIRECT TEST TIMONY. LOOKING AT HIS FRIENDS TO GAYER AND SUPPORT HIM, ONE COULD NOT HELP BUT FEEL AS OUR COLLEAGUE SENATE THE SENATOR FLAKE REMINDED US IS THIS IS DEEPLY PERSONAL AND THERE IS MANNER TO RECONCILE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LEDGER. I CAN FEEL THE INTENSITY OVER WHAT HE’S EXPERIENCED DURING THE LAST FEW WEEKS BUT I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND HOW JUDGE KAVANAUGH COULD SAY THAT HE QUOTE NO NO ILL WILL TOWARDS DR. FORD AND CALLED HER CHARGES A CALCULATED, ORCHESTRATED POLITICAL HIT, CITING APPARENT PENT UP ANGER ABOUT THE 2016 ELECTION AND QUOTE REVENGE ON BEHALF OF THE CLINTONS. REVENGE ON BEHALF OF THE CLINTONS. THIS LOCK HER UP GRACE NOTE IN JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S REMARKS MAY HAVE RAISED A CHEER IT UP MOMENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THE EXCHANGE I HAD WAS AN HONEST EFFORT TO LOOSE THE GOURDIAN KNOT THIS COMMITTEE FACES WHEN TWO SWORN WITNESSES ARE IN CONDITION. WHAT I ASKED FOR, WHAT MANY HAVE ASKED FOR, IS OBVIOUS. TURN OVER THE FAX THE WE KNOW TO THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION. LET THEM CONNECT THE DOTS, LET THEM COMPLETE THE INVESTIGATION, THEN LET US MEET AND EVALUATE THEIR FINDINGS. DO YOU REMEMBER YESTERDAY? ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THE REPUBLICANS MADE A POINT OF QUOTING THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE PERMISSION TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD A LETTER FROM SENT TO THIS COMMITTEE ON SEPTEMBER 27th, 2018 BY THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION.>>WITHOUT OBJECTION, LET ME READ IT.>>AS APPROPRIATE, THE FULL SENATE WILL CONDUCT A CONFIRMATION VOTE ON JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION ONLY AFTER AN APPROPRIATE BACKGROUND CHECK IN THE ALLEGATIONS MADE BY PROFESSOR FORD AND OTHERS IS COMPLETED BY THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTGATION. WE MAKE THIS REQUEST BECAUSE OF THE ABA’S RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND DUE PROCESS UNDER LAW. THE BASIC PRINCIPALS THAT UNDERSCORE THE SENATE’S CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY AND CONSENT ON FEDERAL JOOULD IGDSIAL JUDICIAL NOMINATION REQUIRE NOTHING BUT THE FACTS BY THE FBI. AS WITH ALL OTHERS, IT’S SIMPLY TOO IMPORTANT TO RUSH TO A VOTE. DECIDING TO PROCEED WITHOUT CONDUCTING ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION WOULD NOT ONLY HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON THE SENATE’S REPUTATION, BUT IT WILL ALSO NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE GREAT TRUST NECESSARY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HAVE IN THE SUPREME COURT. IT MUST REMAIN AN CONSTITUTION THAT’LL RELIABLY FOLLOW THE LAW AND NOT POLITICS. RESPECTFULLY, THE SENATE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT A THUGT ROW FBI INVESTIGATION WILL DEMONSTRATE ITS COMMITMENT TO A SUPREME COURT THAT IS ABOVE REPROACH. THAT LETTER WAS SIGNED BY ROBERT CARLSON, PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION. ALL OF THE QUOTES YES ABOUT THE ABA’S FINDING ON JUDGE KAVANAUGH ARE A DISTANT SECOND TO WHAT WE’VE BEEN ASKED BY THE SAME ORG ZAGDS TO DO AND IT IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST. WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? TWO SWORN WITNESSES IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION, BUT THERE IS ONE CONTDIGDS. ONE OF THESE SWORN WITNESSES HAS STEPPED FORWARD AND SAID I WOULD SUBMIT MY TEST SKBRN I MONY AND MYSELF TO THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, UNDERSTANDING ANYONE WHO DIES TO THE FEDERAL BUREAU IS SUBJECT TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. THE OTHER WITNESS EVADED THAT QUESTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER. OH, I’LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE, IT’S UP TO THE CHAIRMAN, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE ON THAT, YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. JUDGE KAVANAUGH KNOWS BETTER. HE KNOWS IF HE HAD TURNED YESTERDAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL AND SAID SUSPEND THIS UNTIL WE HAVE AN FBI INVESTIGATION TO CLEAR MY NAME, MY REPRESENTATION AND MY NOMINATION TO THIS COURT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE THOSE SCALES HAVE BEEN TIPPED IN FAVOR OF THE ONE SWORN WITNESS WHO WAS WILLING TO TAKE HER CASE BEFORE THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, I’LL BE VOTING NO ON THE NOMINATION OF BRETT KAVANAUGH TO THE SUPREME COURT.>>BEFORE I CALL ON SENATOR CORNYN, SINCE THE ABA LETTER CAME UP, I HAVE THIS COMMENT, THAT PRESIDENT OF THE ABA CALLED FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION AS YOU JUST HEARD AND TO DO IT BEFORE A VOTE. I’VE EXPLAINED MANY TIMES ANOTHER FBI INVESTIGATION IS NOT NECESSARY. THE ABA IS AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION LIKE ANY OTHER THAT CAN SEND US LETTERS AND SHARE THEIR ADVICE, BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM DICTATE OUR COMMITTEE’S BUSINESS. ALSO, THIS LETTER IS FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE ABA. ONE SIDE, HE DOESN’T REPRESENT THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LAWYERS IN THE UNITED STATES. IT ISN’T AT ALL CLEAR THAT ABA PRESIDENT HAS AUTHORITY TO SPEAK FOR THE ORGANIZATION ON THIS MATTER. THIS LETTER DOESN’T SAY HE CONFERRED WITH ANYONE ELSE OR CONVENED THE QUALITICASION COMMITTEE BY CONFERENCE CALL OR OTHERWISE, DOESN’T REITERATE THE FACT JUDGE KAVANAUGH RECEIVED A VERY WELL QUALIFIED RATING FROM THE ABA STANDING COMMITTEE ON THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY, AND THE STANDING COMMITTEE DID NOT JOIN THIS LETTER. SENATOR CORNYN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I’VE SAID BEFORE THAT I BELIEVE THAT IN CONSIDERING DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY WE SHOULD TREAT HER THE SAME WAY I WOULD WANT MY WIFE, MY DAUGHTERS, OR MY MOTHER TREATED IF THEY WERE IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES. CONVERSELY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TREAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH THE SAME WAY WE WOULD TREAT MY FATHER, MY BROTHER, OR A SON. WE OWE THAT TO BOTH JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND TO DR. FORD. IT IS SIMPLY FALSE TO SAY THAT SOMEHOW WE HAVE IN DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ORCHESTRATED EFFORT TO DELAY THE VOTE ON THIS NOMINATION, THAT WE HAVE SOMEHOW BEEN DISRESPECTFUL OF DR. FORD. I’M PROUD OF THE WAY THIS COMMITTEE TREATED DR. FORD YESTERDAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE, DIGNIFIED, AND APPARENTLY OUR FRIENDS ACROSS THE AISLE ARE SOMEHOW UPSET WE GOT A TRAINED LAWYER WHO HANDLES CLAIMS LIKE THIS ON A DAILY BASIS, TO HANDLE IT IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY TO ELICIT FACTS AND INFORMATION FROM DR. FORD.>>IT IS SIMPLY TRYING TO TAKE OUR I OFF THE BALL. IT HAS BEEN A QUICKWITTED EFFORT TO MANIPULATE THIS PROCESS IN A WAY THAT IS UNFAIR TO DR. FORD AND TO JUDGE KAVANAUGH. AND THAT IS SHAMEFUL. I SAID YESTERDAY I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE DARKEST DAYS FOR THE UNITED STATE S SENATE SINCE THE McCARTHY HEARINGS IN THE 50s. YOU MAY RECALL THE COMMENTS OF ONE OF THE LAWYERS WHO SAID, I NEVER REALLY GAUGED YOUR CRUELTY OR RECKLESSNESS BEFORE TODAY. AND ASKED, DO YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF DECENCY? I THINK THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN CRUEL AND RECKLESS AND INDECENT FOR BOTH DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH . AND IT DID NOT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. WHEN WE LEARNED YESTERDAY FROM DR. FORD THAT SHE DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LETTER OF JULY 30 THAT SHE SENT TO SENATOR FEINSTEIN, SHE DID NOT AUTHORIZE IT, SHE DID NOT WANT IT LEAKED, BUT IT WAS LEAKED. AND SHE SAID THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAD POSSESSION OF WITH WERE HER LA, SENATOR FEINSTEIN, AND REPRESENTATIVE — THE LETTER HAD TO COME FROM SUMMER WHEN SHE TESTIFIED SHE WAS NOT INFORMED OF GERMAN GRASSLEY’S — GERMAN GRASSLEY’S INTERVIEW WITH BIPARTISAN PARTICIPATION ABOUT HER CLAIMS, SHE SAID SHE DIDN’T — IT WASN’T CLEAR THAT OFFER HAD EVER BEEN MADE. SO ONE THE LETTER WAS LEAKED BY SOMEBODY, WHEN THE OFFER TO INTERVIW HER BEFORE A PANEL OF INVESTIGATORS AT A PLACE AND TIME OF HER CHOOSING, OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE, — WHEN THAT WAS NOT COMMUNICATED, IT SURE LOOKS TO ME TO THE DESIRE TO HAVE WHAT WE HAD YESTERDAY. AND TO CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT HAS ONLY BEEN DESCRIBED AS A CIRCUS ATMOSPHERE. CRUEL, RECKLESS, NO SENSE OF DECENCY. I WOULD POINT TO THE FACT THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH SAID AS LONG AS THIS NOMINATION HAS BEEN PENDING, YOU HAVE SEEN IT TREND TOWARDS MORE AND MORE SCURRILOUS, SALACIOUS, AND ON COOPERATED ALLEGATIONS BEING MADE AGAINST HIM. ALL OF WHICH THE CHAIRMAN AND THE COMMITTEE, PROFESSIONAL STAFF HAVE ATTEMPTED TO INVESTIGATE. WE HEARD FROM DR. FORD . WE ALSO SAW A CLAIM BY A MISS RAMIREZ THAT WAS ON COOPERATED BY THE DOZENS OF WITNESSES THAT ALLEGEDLY EXISTED . THE NEW YORK TIMES COULD NOT CONFIRM THAT. NOBODY WOULD CONFIRM HER ALLEGATION. AND THEN YESTERDAY THE RANKING MEMBER QUOTED FROM SOME OF THE CLAIMS. REPRESENTATIVE — REPRESENTED BY MICHAEL AVENATTI, AND I WAS STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS MADE IN THE STATEMENT THAT WE GOT ON SEPTEMBER 25 2018, ACCUSED MARK JUDGE AND BRENT KAVANAUGH TO GANG RAPE HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS AT A TIME WHEN SHE WAS IN COLLEGE AND SAYS SHE WENT BACK TO PARTIES IN HIGH SCHOOL NOT ON ONE OCCASION, NOT AN TWO OCCASIONS. SHE WENT TO 10 SUCH PARTIES I AM SHOCKED THAT COLLEAGUES WOULD EMBRACE THIS KIND OF ON COOPERATED, OUTRAGEOUS, SALACIOUS ALLEGATION CONSIDERING THE FACTS AND THE TIMING AND THE REPRESENTATION BY STORMY DANIELS’S LAWYER. HE’S OBVIOUSLY EAGER FOR MORE PUBLIC ATTENTION AND NOTORIETY. YOU DIDN’T HEAR THAT IN THE QUOTE FROM THE RANKING MEMBER YESTERDAY WHEN SHE QUOTED FROM SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS MADE BY MS. SWETNICK. OUR FRIEND SAID THE INTEGRITY OF THE SENATE IS ON TRIAL. I AGREE WITH THAT. AND WE ARE FAILING BADLY. CRUELTY, RECKLESSNESS, INDECENCY TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE TREATING WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY. THAT EXTENDS TO MARK JUDGE. ISN’T IT OBVIOUS WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE WITH MARK JUDGE? HE SAYS — HAS SUBMITTED A STATEMENT UNDER ENTITY OF PENALTIES SAYING THAT BRENT KAVANAUGH AND I WERE FRIENDS IN HIGH SCHOOL BUT WE NEVER — HAVE NOT SPOKEN IN YEARS. I DO NOT RECALL THE EVENTS. HE SUBMITTED THAT STATEMENT YESTERDAY. SHE SAID I NEVER SAW BRETT ACT IN THE MATTER THAT DR. FORD DESCRIBES. I AM SUBMITTING THIS UNDER PENALTY OF PENALTY. HE SAYS HE HAS NOTHING MORE TO OFFER. HE SUBMITTED THE STATEMENT UNDER PENALTY OF FELONY. HERE IS THE OTHER PART — HE ADMITS TO BEING A RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC. AS WELL AS A CANCER SURVIVOR. HE SAID HE STRUGGLES WITH DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY SO MUCH THAT HE AVOIDS PUBLIC SPEAKING OUR COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE AISLE BELIEVE THE APPROPRIATE COURSE OF CONDUCT IS TO DRAG MR. JUDGE INTO THIS CIRCUS LIKE ATMOSPHERE AND TO SUBJECT HIS BATTLE WITH ALCOHOLISM AND ADDICTION TO PUBLIC INVESTIGATION AND SCRUTINY AND CRITICAL — RIDICULE. THAT IS CRUEL. THAT IS RECKLESS. THAT IS INDECENT. SO MR. CHAIRMAN, IN CONCLUSION, I BELIEVE THIS IS A QUICKWITTED EFFORT TO DELAY THE VOTE. I THINK THE EVIDENCE ALL POINTS TO THAT. AND THE LONGER WE GO WITHOUT VOTING, IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT PEOPLE LIKE MICHAEL AVENATTI AND OTHERS EAGER TO GET ATTENTION AND WILLING TO HELD THE MOST SALACIOUS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THIS NOMINEE THAT WAY — WE’LL CONTINUE TO SEE THE SAME. IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT ABOUT 150 NOMINATIONS ARE PENDING ON THE SENATE CALENDAR. IF THERE IS BEEN ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN THE HALLMARK OF OUR COLLEAGUES CONDUCT CROSS THE AISLE DURING THE TIME OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TO OBSTRUCT, DELAY, AND DENY THIS ADMINISTRATION THE BENEFIT OF THE NOMINEES WHICH THEY HAVE SENT TO THE SENATE FOR ADVICE AND CONSENT. THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY JUDGES BUT ALL ASPECTS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 150 NOMINATIONS BENNETT — PENDING ON THE CALENDAR BECAUSE THEY WANT TO OBSTRUCT, DELAY, AND DELIGHT THE ADMINISTRATION THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO HELP GOVERN. SO IT STRIKES ME AS ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE SEEN ON THIS NOMINATION. AND I THINK IT IS DISGRACEFUL AS SENATOR HATCH SAID YESTERDAY , I THINK THE WAY DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAVE BEEN TREATED IS A SCANDAL AND IT IS CRUEL, RECKLESS, AND INDECENT. >>SENATOR. >>THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I WILL BE FAIRLY BRIEF BECAUSE I ANNOUNCE — ANNOUNCED BY ATTENTION TO VOTE AGAINST KAVANAUGH ALREADY. JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS AN UNPLEASANT RECORD BOTH OF ASSOCIATIONS WITH AND RULINGS FOR A POWERFUL ARRAY OF ACTIVIST REPUBLICAN SPECIAL INTERESTS. TO WHOM HE GIVES IN 90% WIN RATE — THE SUPREME COURT HAS AN EQUALLY UNPLEASANT RECORD I’VE 5 TO 4 RULINGS FOR THE SAME BIG INTERESTS. NOT THREE OR FOUR TIMES, NOT EVEN ONE OR TWO DOZEN TIMES, BUT UNDER CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS, 70 TIMES. ALL 5 TO 4 PARTISAN DECISIONS. THE COURT IS FLYING ALL THE WARNING FLAGS OF A CAPTURED AGENCY, DANCING TO SPECIAL INTEREST TUNES, AND RAM PAINTINGS — RAMPAGING THROUGH PRESIDENT AND PRINCIPAL TO GET THERE. THIS WILL BE A DISASTER FOR THE COURT AND I BELIEVE KAVANAUGH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THAT DISASTER. HIS PARTNER SAID — PARTISAN SCREED YESTERDAY WAS TELLING. AS TO YESTERDAY, LET ME BE FRANK, I BELIEVE DR. FORD. I MAY BE WRONG. BUT I BELIEVED HER. AND I BELIEVE KAVANAUGH DODGE — DODGED, RANTED AND RAVED, FILIBUSTERED, AND PREVARICATE IT. I DID NOT FIND HIM CREDITABLE. I DON’T BELIEVE HIS FLATULENCE, I DON’T BELIEVE A DOUBLE TRIANGLE IS A DRINKING CAME, AND I DON’T BELIEVE CALLING YOURSELF A GIRLS ALUMNI US IS BEING HER FRIEND. AND I THINK DRINKING UNTIL YOU RALPH OR FALL OUT OF THE BUS OR DON’T REMEMBER THE GAME OR NEED TO PIECE TOGETHER YOUR MEMORY THE NEXT DAY IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH DR. FORD ‘S AND OTHERS TESTIMONY THAN HIS OWN. IF DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY IS TRUE, I HOPE WE CAN ALL AGREE KAVANAUGH HAS NO BUSINESS ON THE COURT. AND I FOR ONE, BELIEVED HER. BUT SET ASIDE MY OWN BELIEF, AS A PROSECUTOR I AM HORRIFIED AT WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE. TERMINATING THE FBI BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION BEFORE THESE NEW ALLEGATIONS WERE EVEN CONSIDERED , DOING PARTISAN INTERVIEWS BY PARTISAN STAFFERS TO CLEARLY DETERMINE TO — DECLARATIVELY DETERMINED TO FORCE IT THROUGH. LETTING THE ALLEGED ACCOMPLISH IN THE ASSAULT, THE GUY IN THE ROOM WITH HIM WHEN IT HAPPENED GET AWAY WITH A LAWYER’S LETTER AND NO TESTIMONY, NO CROSS- EXAMINATION, THE LAWYERS WILL KNOW THE REVERENCE WITH WHICH WIGMORE IS CITED AS LEGAL AUTHORITY IN DECISIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND FOR DECADES. BEYOND ANY DOUBT, HE WROTE, THE GREATEST LEGAL ENGINE EVER INVENTED FOR THE DISCOVERY OF TRUTH IS CROSS-EXAMINATION. MARK JUDGE IS IN HIDING INSTEAD OF UNDER EXAMINATION. THAT HAS BEEN DISABLED IN THIS MATTER. LET ME HAVE ONE EXAMPLE OF WHERE INVESTIGATION MIGHT HELP. HERE IS KAVANAUGH ‘S CALENDAR. DR. FORD SAID THAT KAVANAUGH AND JUDGE AND PJ AND AT LEAST ONE OTHER BOY WERE ALL AT A HOUSE. WELL, WE KNOW KAVANAUGH WAS THERE. IT IS A SCHEDULE. AND HERE IS JUDGE AND HERE IS PJ. HERE ARE ALL THOSE THREE NA BOYS AND OTHERS AT A HOUSE TOGETHER, JUST AS SHE SAID. SHE SAID KAVANAUGH AND JUDGE WERE DRUNK AND THAT SHE HAD A BEER. BREWSKIS, BEER, THEY WERE DRINKING. JUST AS SHE SAID. KNOW I WILL CONCEDE THAT THE TWO GIRLS ARE NOT MENTIONED BUT SPOT ME THIS, IF YOU HAD JUST SEXUALLY ASSAULTED ONE OF THE TWO GIRLS, WOULD YOU ADD THE GIRL’S NAME TO YOUR CALENDAR? I DOUBT IT. THIS MAY BE POWERFUL COOPERATING EVIDENCE THAT THE ASSAULT HAPPENED, THAT IT HAPPENED THAT DAY, AND THAT IT HAPPENED IN THAT PLACE. BUT WITH NO FBI INVESTIGATION, WE CAN’T TELL. THAT’S HOW YOU GET OUT OF THE BATTER’S BOX. YOU INVESTIGATE. IT IS THE LEAST THING A SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIM IS ENTITLED TO WHEN SHE COMES FORWARD. THE FBI COULD INTERVIEW ALL THE ATTENDEES, NOT JUST TO OBTAIN SIMPLE DENIALS BUT TO CROSSCHECK AND SEE IF THE STORIES ADD UP. THE FBI COULD SEE IF THE HOUSE MATCHES THE LOCALITY AND DESCRIPTION DR. FORD GAVE. THE FBI COULD INQUIRE AFTER AND PURSUE OTHER COOPERATING OR EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE. IT IS WHAT THEY DO. ANYBODY WHO HAS DONE ANY SERIOUS INVESTIGATION KNOWS, YOU DON’T STOP JUST WITH WITNESS STATEMENTS OF INTERESTED PARTIES . YOU RUNDOWN COOPERATING AND IMPEACHING — COOPERATING AND IMPEACHING EVIDENCE. YOU ASK AND GO BACK AGAIN. YOU DO THE BASIC BLOCKING AND INVESTIGATION. PARTISAN INTERVIEWS BY POLITICAL STAFF PRE-DETERMINED TO CLEAR THE NAM — NOMINEE JUST AREN’T THE SAME AS REAL INVESTIGATORS DOING REAL INVESTIGATION AND COOPERATION. I DON’T THINK THIS IS EVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS. CLOSING OUT THE INVESTIGATION WITHOUT INVESTIGATING THOSE CRITICAL — CREDIBLE — THEY WERE CREDIBLE ENOUGH TO GET HER BEFORE THE SENATE AND YET SHE WAS NOT GIVEN THE MOST ASIC, DECENT — BASIC, DECENT THINK THAT A WITNESS COULD BE GIVEN AFTER THEY COME FORWARD. SINCERE OR THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. CLOSING OUT THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION WITHOUT INVESTIGATING NEW, CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS, NOT ANY OF THREE ALLEGATIONS ALL FROM WOMEN DEMONSTRABLY IN KAVANAUGH ‘S SOCIAL CIRCLE. LOOK AT THIS RIDICULOUS LETTER FROM THE OTHER ALLEGED SALIENT — ASSAILANT IN THE ROOM. IT IS EQUALLY RIDICULOUS IS YESTERDAY’S FIG LEAF, I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT. THE SAME STATEMENT IS REPEATED WITH HIS SIGNATURE ON IT. AND ASK YOURSELF, DO YOU THINK INVESTIGATOR KAVANAUGH WOULD HAVE TOLERATED LETTERS LIKE THIS FROM THE THIRD PERSON IN THE ROOM HAD THERE BEEN ONE WITH MR. CLINTON AND MONICA LEWINSKY? NEVER IN 1 MILLION YEARS. AND YET THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO SATISFY OURSELVES WITH IN THIS MATTER. IT IS PREPOSTEROUS TO ANYONE WHO HAS EVER DONE SERIOUS INVESTIGATION. YET THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LEFT WITH. WE HAVE DONE A BUNCH OF AN INVESTIGATION. OVERTIME, I EXPECT THE FACTS TO COME OUT. THEY HAVE A WAY OF DOING THAT. COVERUPS NEVER LAST. THE SAND IS RUNNING THROUGH KAVANAUGH ‘S HOURGLASS. I PLEDGE WHATEVER I CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRUTH OF HIS CONDUCT IS ULTIMATELY DETERMINED. SETTING ASIDE THIS, WE GO BACK TO A SUPREME COURT FAR TOO OFTEN DANCING TO THE TUNE OF A HANDFUL OF BIG REPUBLICAN SPECIAL INTERESTS. FUNDING THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY THAT IS NOW SELECTING SUPREME COURT NOMINEES, BIG REPUBLICANS USING THE UNLIMITED DARK MONEY POWER THE SUPREME COURT GAVE THEM TO MOUNT TV AD CAMPAIGNS FOR SUPREME COURT NOMINEES. BIG REPUBLICAN SPECIAL INTEREST FUNDING FREQUENT FLYER — SO- CALLED FRIENDS OF THE COURT, OFFERING CONSTANT INSTRUCTION AND ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE FIVE REPUBLICANS ON THE SUPREME COURT AND BIG REPUBLICAN SPECIAL INTERESTS ON THE WINNING SIDE OF THOSE 70 FIVE MAC TO 4 — 5 TO 4 VICTORIES. PEOPLE ARE CATCHING ON. THE RECORD OF THIS IS UNDENIABLE. AND AS I SAID, IT WILL BE A DISASTER FOR THE COURT. YOU HAVE MY TIME. >>I THINK I SHOULD TRY TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE CALENDAR THAT SENATOR WHITEHOUSE PUT UP THERE. THE ENTRY HAS SIX BOYS LISTED FOR JULY 1, 1982. IT SAYS GO TO TIMMY’S HOUSE WITH JUDGE, TOM, BJ, BRADY AND — DR. FORD SAID THERE WERE FORM — FOUR BOYS THERE. THAT IS A WRONG GATHERING. TWO ALLEGATIONS MADE BY MY COLLEAGUE ARE INCORRECT. FIRST, I NEVER TERMINATED AN FBI INVESTIGATION. I DIDN’T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO OPEN OR CLOSE AN FBI INVESTIGATION. THE FBI CONSIDERS THIS MATTER CLOSED. IF MY COLLEAGUES WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE PARTISANSHIP OF THE INVESTIGATION THE DEMOCRATS COULD HAVE JOINED US AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. HOWEVER, WE ALL KNOW THEY DECLINED TO PARTICIPATE. SECONDLY, WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER SIGNED BY MARK JUDGE HIMSELF UNDER PENALTY OF PENALTY. I READ IT PREVIOUSLY THIS MORNING. SENATOR LEAHY. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION. THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO WISH THAT IS WHERE THIS WOULD HAVE BEGUN AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEGUN. AS IT COULD HAVE BEGUN HAD THESE LETTERS BEEN HANDED OVER TO THE FBI WITH THE REQUEST THAT THEY BE INVESTIGATED AT AN EARLIER TIME. AS EARLY AS LATE JULY OR EARLY AUGUST — AND LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED HAD THAT OCCURRED. THEY WOULD HAVE GONE TO DR. FORD AND INTERVIEWED HER. A WOULD HAVE PREPARED. REPORT — PREPARED A REPORT. THAT WOULD HAVE REFLECTED MORE OR LESS WHAT WE HEARD YESTERDAY. PROBABLY A MORE DISTILLED VERSION OF THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW IN HER WRITTEN STATEMENTS BEFORE SHE APPEARED BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. THEY WOULD HAVE GONE TO JUDGE KAVANAUGH . THEY WOULD HAVE INTERVIEWED JUDGE KAVANAUGH. JUDGE KAVANAUGH WOULD HAVE TOLD US THEN AS HE TOLD US YESTERDAY THAT NO SUCH EVENT EVER OCCURRED. HE NEVER DID THIS TO ANY WOMAN, NOT IN HIGH SCHOOL, NOT IN COLLEGE, NOT BEFORE, NOT AFTER. THEY WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE OTHER ALLEGED EYEWITNESSES TO THIS EVENT INCLUDING MARK JUDGE, PATRICK SMITH, AND LELAND KAISER. THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN STATEMENTS FROM EACH OF THEM AND THOSE STATEMENTS WOULD HAVE INDICATED AS THEY HAVE EACH INDICATED IN WRITTEN STATEMENTS SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE THAT THEY RECALL NO SUCH EVENT EVER OCCURRING. AND SO, WE HAVE INVESTIGATED. I TOO WISH IT HAD BEEN INVESTED BY THE FBI. AND HAD IT BEEN INVESTIGATED AS IT COULD’VE BEEN, AS IT SHOULD’VE BEEN, AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WHEN THESE LETTERS WERE RECEIVED, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED IN A MORE DIGNIFIED MANNER. IN A MANNER MUCH MORE RESPECTFUL TO DR. FORD AND TO JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND THE FAMILIES AND THE PROCESS. SOME HAVE MENTIONED TODAY THAT THERE WAS SOME EMOTION IN THE ROOM YESTERDAY. CERTAINLY. THESE ARE EMOTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES. MY HEART GOES OUT TO DR. FORD AND HER FAMILY AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND HIS FAMILY. THEY HAVE BOTH BEEN THROUGH A LOT. I DON’T BLAME EITHER ONE OF THEM FOR DEMONSTRATING SOME EMOTION. NOT FOR A MOMENT HURRICANE IN THE CASE OF DR. FORD, CLEARLY SHE HAS BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING AWFUL. IN THE CASE OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH, HE HAS SEEN IN ADDITION TO THIS ALLEGATION, DRAGGING HIS NAME INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD, HE HAS SEEN HIS NAME DRAGGED THROUGH THE MUD ON A LOT OF OTHER THINGS INCLUDING AN ALLEGATION THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN AND RUNNING A DRUG DISTRIBUTION AND GANG RAPE RING. ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU LOVE WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN RUNNING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MIGHT NOT YOU FEEL A LITTLE EMOTIONAL AS WELL? MIGHT NOT THAT SPILL INTO YOUR TESTIMONY IF YOU ARE CALLED IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE? LOOK, WE HAVE A JOB TO DO HERE TODAY. OUR JOB YESTERDAY WAS TO HEAR FROM DR. FORD AND TO HEAR FROM JUDGE KAVANAUGH. WE HAVE DONE THAT. OUR JOB NOW IS TO VOTE. TODAY WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. THANK, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I SAID THE FIRST DAY OF THE FIRST HEARING REGARDING JUDGE KAVANAUGH THAT THIS IS NOT NORMAL. IT MIGHT LOOK NORMAL. WE HAVE THE NOMINEE. WE HAVE THE FAMILY BEHIND THEM. YOU HAVE THE CAMERAS ON. IT WASN’T NORMAL. IT WASN’T NORMAL BECAUSE THIS NOMINEE WAS HANDPICKED BY A PRESENT WHO IN THE LAST WEEK HAS GONE AFTER HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL, THREATENED TO FIRE THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO WAS OVERSEEING A MAJOR INVESTIGATION, AND NATIONAL SECURITY INVESTIGATION, HANDPICKED BY A PRESIDENT WHO IS UNDERMINING LAW ENFORCEMENT, CONSTANTLY UNDERMINING THE FBI, AND YET, THIS PRESIDENT SELECTED A NOMINEE WHO HAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE YOU OF EXECUTIVE POWER THAT WE HAVE SEEN. A PRESIDENT — A VIEW OF EXECUTIVE POWER ACCORDING TO HIS WRITINGS SAY IN AN OPINION THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO DECLARE LAWS UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN HIS OWN VIEWS IN LEGAL WRITINGS THAT A PRESIDENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE IMMUNE FROM INVESTIGATION WHILE SITTING IN OFFICE. WE SHOULDN’T HAVE A SPECIAL COUNSEL STATUTE. THAT’S WHERE WE START. THAT’S THE CORE HERE AS WE LOOK AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES THAT WE ARE FACING. THE SECOND REASON THIS ISN’T NORMAL IS THAT WE DID NOT GET THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED TO MAKE A DECISION. I COME FROM A STATE THAT BELIEVES IN PROCESS. IN MY OLD JOB, I HEADED UP THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. WE HANDLED 12,000 JUVENILE CASES EVERY SINGLE YEAR. SO I SAW CASES JUST LIKE THE ONE WE HEARD ABOUT YESTERDAY. BUT I WOULD ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE IF WE HAD TO LET A CASE GO, IF WE HAD TO MAKE A DEAL THAT PEOPLE DIDN’T LIKE, OUR ROLE WAS TO BE MINISTERS OF JUSTICE. IT WAS TO CONVICT THE GUILTY BUT ALSO PROTECTING THE INNOCENT . I DON’T THINK WE PROTECTED THE INNOCENT VERY WELL YESTERDAY. AND I CERTAINLY DON’T THINK THAT WE ARE DOING TODAY. THERE WAS A LOT OF CHEST BEATING THAT WENT ON YESTERDAY ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND IT WAS PRETTY EFFECTIVE, I GUESS, IF THE GOAL WAS TO DISTRACT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM WHAT THEY HAD HEARD IN THE MORNING, TO DISTRACT AND DEFLECT FROM THE MOVING, POWERFUL, TESTIMONY WE HEARD. I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT RESPECTING DR. FORD WHEN WE ARE NOT GIVING HER THE RESPECT OF HAVING AN INVESTIGATION OF THE CASE THAT SHE MADE TO US YESTERDAY. IT WAS A WHILE AGO THAT THIS HAPPEN. THERE ARE OTHER CLAIMS OUT THERE AS WELL. BUT IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE AS SENATOR WHITEHOUSE ARTICULATED, IF YOU DON’T GO BACK AND LOOK AT THINGS AND YOU DON’T LOOK AT COOPERATING EVIDENCE — COOPERATING — CORROBORATING EVIDENCE, YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. THERE IS A FINITE PERIOD FOR AN F PI INVESTIGATION. — FBI INVESTIGATION. GEORGE H.W. BUSH ORDERED THAT IN THE ANITA HILL CASE. THAT HAPPENED. IT’S HAPPENED. THAT IS NOT EVEN HAPPENING HERE. WE ARE NOT GIVING DR. FORD THE RESPECT OF HAVING THAT INVESTIGATION. THAT IS WRONG. THAT IS NOT BEING MINISTERS OF JUSTICE. THIS WAS A WOMAN WITH NO POLITICAL BACKGROUND WHO MADE AN ATTEMPT TO CALL THE FRONT OFFICE OF HURT CONGRESSWOMAN. THAT’S WHAT SHE DID. SHE DID THIS BEFORE THE NOMINEE WAS EVEN SELECTED. SHE DID IT WHEN THE NOMINEE WAS ON THE SHORTLIST. SHE WAS CONCERNED. THAT SO SHE DID. DON’T ARGUE THAT SHE IS PART OF SOME MASSIVE POLITICAL STRATEGY. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. AND YES, IT IS MESSY. THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IS MESSY. THINGS COME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. IT HAPPENS BEFORE TRIAL. IT HAPPENS BEFORE THE HEARING. THE QUESTION IS NOT IF IT IS MESSY, SENATOR FLAKE HIMSELF SAID YESTERDAY, THIS IS NOT A GOOD PROCESS. BUT IT IS ALL WE’VE GOT. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN IT HAPPENS? WHEN YOU ARE IN A POSITION OF POWER, WHAT YOU DO WHEN IT HAPPENS? YOU MAY NOT LIKE HOW THIS CAME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO KNOWN ABOUT IT EARLIER TOO. BUT I DID NOT. THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN IT HAPPENS? AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, YOU DON’T JUST PUT IT UNDER THE RUG. FOR SO MANY YEARS, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO CLAIMS LIKE THIS. THEY WERE JUST SWEPT UNDER THE RUG. WHAT HAPPENED IN THE HOUSE, NO MATTER HOW BAD IT WAS DIDN’T BELONG IN THE COURTHOUSE. AND THAT HURT WOMEN AND THAT HER CHILDREN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. BUT THE TIMES ARE CHANGING NOW. WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO MADE A CREDIBLE CLAIM. THE CHAIRMAN EVEN THANKED HER FOR HER BRAVERY. WHERE IS THE BRAVERY IN THIS ROOM? THIS RUSH, WHEN WE COULD HAVE A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME TO INTERVIEW A FINITE PERIOD OF WITNESSES. SOMEONE SHE ALLEGES WAS IN THE VERY ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENED. WE ARE NOT ABLE TO CROSS- EXAMINE THEN — THEM OR ASK QUESTIONS. WE DON’T GET TO SAY YOU WILL GET IN CRITICAL — CRIMINAL TROUBLE IF YOU DON’T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS CORRECTLY. THAT’S NOT THE SAME THING. WE HAVE A POLYGRAPH EXPERT. YESTERDAY, I PUT THAT EXAM ON THE RECORD. PEOPLE WERE BRISTLING OVER THERE. WE WENT TO SEE THE CHARTS. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE THE EXPERT TESTIFY AND EXPLAIN HOW THIS WAS VERIFIED. AND YES, AS JUDGE KAVANAUGH POINTED OUT THIS IS NOT A TEST THAT IS ADMISSIBLE IN COURT. GUESS WHAT? WE USE IT FOR JOB INTERVIEWS, THE FBI, THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT , THE CIA, AND THE NOMINEE HIMSELF HAS EVEN SAID THAT THIS IS USEFUL TO USE FOR THOSE PURPOSES IN A CASE THAT HE DECIDED IN 2016. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF WITNESSES WE COULD HEAR FROM IF WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, MAYBE ONE WEEK TO DO IT. I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. IF WE WANT TO SHOW DR. FORD RESPECT, WE GAVE HER THE RSPECT OF HAVING HER CASE HEARD AND THE EVIDENCE LOOKED AT. I LOOK AT IT AS WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? WHAT WOULD IT HURT? IF JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS SO SURE THAT HE HAS THIS CORROBORATING EVIDENCE AND WHAT THESE THINGS MEAN, WHAT IS HE AFRAID OF IF WE JUST SPEND ONE WEEK LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE? WHAT I HAVE HEARD TODAY JUST ADDS TO THIS. WHEN I HEARD THE SANCTIMONIOUS TALK ABOUT SOMETIME — SOME KIND OF A POLITICAL STRATEGY, I WILL GIVE YOU EXHIBIT A. YOU TALK ABOUT A NOMINEE GETTING OFF THE FLOOR WHEN ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR IS ONE WEEK FOR AN INVESTIGATION. AND YOU KEPT GARLAND AWAY FROM THIS COMMITTEE FOR 10 MONTHS. THAT’S NOT EVEN A COMPARISON. THAT WAS A STRATEGY YESTERDAY. BOY, IT WAS A STRATEGY. I HOPE THAT SOME OF THE SENATORS WERE NOT MADE A DECISION, CORE NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE, A LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED AND SEE IT FOR THE STRATEGY THAT IT WAS. I ASKED DR. FORD YESTERDAY ABOUT WHAT SHE REMEMBERS FROM THAT NIGHT, AND I ALSO ASKED HER WHAT SHE COULDN’T FORGET. AND HERE’S WHAT SHE SAID, THE STAIRWELL, THE LIVING ROOM, THE BEDROOM, THE BED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROOM, THE BATHROOM IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, THE LAUGHTER, THEY ARE GLORIOUS LAUGHTER, THE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO ESCAPE IN THE FINAL ABILITY TO DO SO. WE HEARD HER TALK ABOUT HOW SHE HAD A CIVIC DUTY TO BRING THIS UP. WE HEARD HER TESTIFY HOW SHE BROUGHT THIS UP 6 YEARS BEFORE TO A COUNSELOR ABOUT HOW HER HUSBAND RECALLS USING THE JUDGE’S NAME. IN THE RULES OF EVIDENCE IT SAYS THAT STATEMENTS MADE TO A PROFESSIONAL ARE CONSIDERED CREDIBLE. YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE’S GOALS. WHAT WOULD BE THEIR REASONS TO LIKE? I LOOK AT A JUDGE WHO HAS A CAREER MAKING MOMENT TO GET ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT . AND NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO BE ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. AND THEN YOU HAVE A WOMAN WHO CAME FORWARD, SENT A LETTER AND TRIED TO DO WHAT SHE COULD DO KEEP HER NAME OUT OF THE NEWS AND FINALLY WHEN THE REPORTERS SHOWED UP, SHE CAME FORWARD. I JUST SEE THESE AS DIFFERENT. THE FACT THAT SHE MENTIONED THIS YEARS BEFORE MEANS A LOT. BUT YOU COULD HAVE DOUBTERS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHEN YOU DON’T HAVE AN INVESTIGATION ARE THINGS IN WRITING TO LOOK AT THE FACTS, WHERE ARE WE? I HAVE BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE. I HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON BACKGROUND CHECKS. A NUMBER OF TIMES, NOMINEES WOULD DROP BECAUSE OF WHAT IS IN THOSE BACKGROUND CHECKS. THE PRESS NEVER KNOWS IT BUT IT HAPPENS. OR SOMETIMES WE ARE PRESENTED WITH INFORMATION THAT IS NOT PUBLIC. DOES THIS AMOUNT TO SOMETHING? DOES LOOK — LOOKING AT THIS WEBSITE AMOUNT TO THIS? THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED. THAT’S THE KIND OF AFFIRMATION WE GET FROM THOSE BACKGROUND CHECKS. I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING. NOT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE DRAGGED THROUGH THE MUD. LATE MAY WE HAVE ORDER? — >>MAY WE HAVE ORDER? >>I DON’T WANT TO LIVE IN AN EVIDENCE FREEZONE. WE NEED THIS INFORMATION. I WOULD SUBMIT TO MY FRIENDS ACROSS THE AISLE, THIS IS NOT A HE SAID, SHE SAID. THIS IS A HE SAID, THEY SAID. THERE ARE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO OPEN TALKING ABOUT THE FACT INCLUDING A NOMINEE’S ROOMMATE THAT HE IS BELLIGERENT WHEN HE GETS DRUNK. YES, THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. MAYBE HE DOESN’T DO THAT ANYMORE. I KNOW PEOPLE IN HIGH SCHOOL DRINK A LOT AND IN COLLEGE BUT WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THIS, TO TRY TO GET TO THE FACTS, I’M NOT AN FBI AGENT BUT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MAYBE HE HAS PARTIAL MEMORY LOSS WHEN HE GETS THAT DRUNK OR MAYBE HE BLACKS OUT. I DON’T KNOW. I WAS TRYING TO GET THAT. WHAT DID I GET? A QUESTION IF I BLACKOUT. DID HE APOLOGIZE? HE DID. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THE POINT IS, IF WE COULD HAVE THE FBI LIKE WE DO WITH ALL BACKGROUND CHECKS INTERVIEWED THESE WITNESSES, WE COULD GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FAX. JUDGE KAVANAUGH SAID ON FOX NEWS AND YESTERDAY THAT HE WANTS A FAIR PROCESS. THAT’S WHAT HE SAID HE WANTS. AND WHEN I ASKED THE JUDGE WHY HE WOULDN’T AS THE PRESIDENT TO HAVE THE FBI REOPENED THE INVESTIGATION YESTERDAY, HE DIDN’T MAKE THAT REQUEST. HE DIDN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THERE ARE ONLY A FEW PEOPLE IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW THAT CAN REOPEN THAT INVESTIGATION. THE ONE SITTING ACROSS THE ROOM BECAUSE YES, SENATOR GRASSLEY COULD HAVE HELD OFF THIS VOTE UNTIL WE HAD THAT INVESTIGATION. JUDGE KAVANAUGH COULD HAVE EASILY SAID FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD, I WANT TO AT LEAST CLEAR MY NAME BUT MOSTLY I WANT TO HAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS TRUE OR NOT. HE COULD’VE DONE THAT. WHY DIDN’T HE DO IT? BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF WHAT THEY WILL FIND OUT. YESTERDAY THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION AND SENATOR DURBIN HAS JUST NOTED AND SENT A LETTER URGING THE COMMITTEE NOT TO VOTE ON THE NOMINATION AND TELL THE FBI HAS CONDUCTED APPROPRIATE FOLLOW-UP. IT MADE THAT REQUEST BECAUSE OF ITS QUOTE, RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND DUE PROCESS UNDER LAW . I’M JUST WAITING UNTIL THE STAFF IS DONE TALKING OVER THERE. >>I APOLOGIZED — >>IT MADE THE REQUEST BECAUSE OF ITS RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND DUE PROCESS UNDER THE LAW. I CHOSE TO GET ON THIS COMMITTEE. I DIDN’T GET ON IT RIGHT AWAY. I HAD DONE THIS WORK FOR 8 YEARS BEFORE I GOT ON HERE. I GOT ON HERE 2 YEARS AFTER I GOT TO THE SENATE. I DECIDED I WANTED TO CONTINUE THAT WORK. TO UPHOLD THE RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND DUE PROCESS UNDER THE LAW. BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAW YESTERDAY. SO IF THIS COMMITTEE ISN’T GOING TO RESPECT THE LAW AND IF WE GO TO THE FLOOR AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS AGAIN, I WOULD REMIND MY COLLEAGUES THAT THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT SAY WE THE RULING PARTY. THE CONSTITUTION SAYS WE THE PEOPLE. AND IF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WANT TO HAVE A CHECK AND BALANCE IN THE SUPREME COURT, A CHECK AND BALANCE ON THIS ADMINISTRATION, IF THEY WANT A FAIR PROCESS, THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES LEFT TO PITCH IN HERE. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES LEFT TO HAVE A SAY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THIS PROCESS IS RUN, WE ARE NOT RUNNING LIKE WE THE PEOPLE. IT IS BEING RUN LIKE WE THE RULING PARTY. I VOTE NO. >>SENATOR. >>WE HEAR ABOUT FAIR AND OPEN AND THOROUGH AND EVERYTHING THAT I JUST HEARD, WE HEARD INFERENCE OF A POLITICAL STRATEGY ON THE SIDE OF THE AISLE NOT TO BE FAIR AND THOROUGH. I HAVE SEARED IN THE BACK OF MY MIND SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID SOON AFTER JULY 9, THAT THE SENATOR SAID THAT TELLS ME ABOUT A POLITICAL STRATEGY THAT IS CARRIED ON HERE, THE WAY IT HAS TO DELAY AND DELAY AND DELAY AND DELAY BECAUSE HE SAID I’M GOING TO FIGHT JUDGE KAVANAUGH ‘S NOMINATION WITH EVERYTHING I’VE GOT. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 90 DAYS. SENATOR. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE ARE LIVING IN A DIVIDED TIME. THIS COUNTRY IS DIVIDED RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. THERE IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ANGER, THERE IS RANGE — RAGE, HATRED. WE SEE DEMONSTRATORS SCREAMING AT EACH OTHER. THEY REFLECT THAT RAGE, THE ANGER. I KNOW THERE ARE GREAT NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO WISH WE COULD AND BELIEVE WE CAN GET BACK TO AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE TREAT EACH OTHER WITH CIVILITY AND DECENCY, IT BACK TO AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE HAVE POLICY DISAGREEMENTS, WE AGREE ON THE RIGHT LEGISLATION AND WE EVEN HAVE VIGOROUS DEBATES ABOUT WHAT THE RIGHT POLICY IS. BUT WE DO SO IN A CONTEXT THAT RESPECTS EACH OTHER. THAT DOESN’T DEMEAN THE HUMANITY OF EACH OTHER. THAT DOESN’T ATTACK THE CHARACTER AND DRAG PEOPLE THROUGH THE MUD. THE POLITICS OF PERSONAL DESTRUCTION THAT WE HAVE SEEN ON DISPLAY IN RECENT DAYS IS WASHINGTON, D.C. AT ITS VERY UGLIEST. AND ALL OF US SHOULD REMEMBER THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REAL HUMAN BEINGS HERE. THESE AREN’T PONDS IN A CHESSBOARD. — PAWNS ON A CHESSBOARD. DR. FORD HAS BEEN THROUGH I HAVE NO DOUBT THIS IS BEEN PAINFUL FOR HER AND HER FAMILY. THE TESTIMONY THAT SHE GAVE YESTERDAY WAS POWERFUL. IT WAS REALLY HEART WRENCHING, IT WAS CLEAR SHE WAS HURTING. HAVING HER NAME MADE PUBLIC AGAINST HER WISHES AND DRAGGED THROUGH THE MUD WAS A HURTFUL THING TO DO. IT WAS THE WRONG THING TO DO. AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH , HE TOO HAS BEEN DRAGGED THROUGH THE MUD FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS IN A WAY THAT HAS NO PRECEDENT HURRICANE — PRECEDENT. IT IS ALMOST TRIBAL LYSED — TRIBALIZED. EVERYTHING WE SEE THROUGH THE LENS OF THE JERSEY. IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF ACROSS THE COUNTRY A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF THE AISLE SIDE YESTERDAY WAS TESTIMONY AND CONCLUDED — YESTERDAY’S TESTIMONY AND CONCLUDED HE MUST BE GUILTY. ANYONE SURPRISE ME IF THOSE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE CONCLUDED HE MUST BE INNOCENT. ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT — JUDGE KAVANAUGH TALKED ABOUT HOW THE SMEARS AND THE MANY THAT HAVE BEEN LEVELED AGAINST HIM IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS AS HE PUT IT, HAVE DESTROYED HIS FAMILY. TO SOME THAT MAY SOUND LIKE HYPERBOLE. I DON’T THINK IT IS. JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS TWO YOUNG DAUGHTERS. A 10-YEAR-OLD AND A 13-YEAR-OLD. FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES, THEIR DAUGHTERS OR GO TO SCHOOL AND INTERACT WITH PEOPLE, MANY OF WHOM ARE CONVINCED THEIR FATHER IS A RAPIST. I WANT YOU TO THINK OF THE EFFECT THAT HAS WHEN THOSE ARE THE ALLEGATIONS. THAT’S WHERE IT STARTS. NOT I THINK YOU ARE WRONG ON HOW YOU INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION — AND LET’S BE CLEAR, HE HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF AMONG OTHER THINGS PARTICIPATING IN REPEATEDLY DRUGGING AND GANG RAPING WOMEN TO TAKE SOME OF THE LUDICROUS CLAIMS THAT OF BEEN ERRED. THESE LITTLE GIRLS ARE GOING TO HAVE CLASSMATES REPEAT THOSE CHARGES TO THEM. SOME OF THE MOST POIGNANT TESTIMONY YESTERDAY WAS WHEN JUDGE KAVANAUGH DESCRIBED HOW HE HAS TAUGHT LAW FOR OVER A DECADE AND HE SAID HE MAY NEVER GET TO TEACH LAW AGAIN. AND THAT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. THAT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE EVEN IF JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS CONFIRMED AS A SITTING JUSTICE. I’M A GRADUATE OF THE HARVARD SCHOOL. IT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THOSE ON THE LEFT WOULD SAY WE DON’T WANT SOMEONE WE BELIEVE IS A RAPIST EVER TEACHING AGAIN. HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH HE IS LOVED — HAS LOVED COACHING GIRLS BASKETBALL. HE MENTIONED HE MAY NEVER COACH AGAIN. THAT’S A VERY REAL POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCE OF THE MUDSLINGING AND IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR OF THE LAST TWO WEEKS. IT MAY WELL BE IN THIS DIVIDED WORLD THAT THE PARENTS OF THE OTHER GIRLS SAY WE DON’T WANT HIM AS A COACH ANYMORE. WORLDS AND — WORDS AND ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A PARTISAN TIME. I HAVE FAITH IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I HAVE FAITH IN THE PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO BE FAIR-MINDED. WE WANT TO ASSESS WHAT HAPPENS. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT ONCE THESE BECAME PUBLIC THAT DR. FORD WAS GIVEN A FULL AND FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO TELL HER STORY. I URGED MY COLLEAGUES THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY IN PUBLIC. IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT SHE BE GIVEN A FAIR AND RESPECTFUL ENVIRONMENT. THAT SHE NOT BE DEMEANED OR ATTACKED. AND SHE WAS NOT HURRICANE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THE RIGHT THING TO DO WAS TO GIVE HER A PUBLIC FORUM AND A FULL PUBLIC FORUM TO TELL HER STORY. BUT THE RIGHT THING ALSO REQUIRES — AND WE SAW YESTERDAY, JUDGE KAVANAUGH GIVEN A FULL AND FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO DEFEND HIMSELF. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WATCHED THAT TESTIMONY. AND YOU COME AWAY WITH A NUMBER OF CONCLUSIONS. IT IS CLEAR THE TESTIMONY IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT. WHAT THEY SAID IS CORRECT >>CONFLICTING. JUDGE KAVANAUGH CATEGORICALLY DENIED THE ALLEGATIONS. THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU RESOLVE THAT DISCREPANCY? HOW DOES THE COMMITTEE? HOW DOES A SENATE? HOW DID THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN YOU HAVE TWO WITNESSES WHO TESTIFIED TO THINGS THAT ARE OPPOSED? THE ONLY WAY I KNOW TO DO IT AND THIS IS HOW A COURT OF LAW OPERATES AND MOST REASONABLE OPERATE, YOU LOOK TO WATERS — WHAT DOES THE REST OF THE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATE? WHAT DOES IT DEMONSTRATE? DR. FORD NAMED THREE WITNESSES. SHE SAYS THEY WERE THERE AND COULD CORROBARATE THE STORY. NONE OF THE THREE SENATOR LEAHY THE STORY. ALL THREE OF THE WITNESSES EXPLICITLY REFUTED HER STORY. AND THEY DID SO UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY. THEY DIDN’T DO SO LIGHTLY. THEY DIDN’T JUST SAY IT. THEY DID IT IN A CONTEXT UNDER THE CODE THEY CAN FACE UP TO 5 YEARS IN PRISON IF THEY LIE TO THE COMMITTEE. SO EVERY SINGLE FACT WITNESS THAT DR. FORD NAMED HAS DISPUTED HER ALLEGATIONS. NOW, ONE OF THOSE PERFECT WITNESSES WAS MR. JUDGE. WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MR. JUDGE. A LOT OF THE COLLEAGUES SAYING WHY DIDN’T WE HEAR TESTIMONY FROM MR. JUDGE? WELL, MR. JUDGE REFUSED TO TALK TO THE COMMITTEE. HE SUBMITTED A STATEMENT, A STATEMENT UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY, UNDER PENALTY OF FENNEL THE — FELONY, BUT IT IS NOT COMPETENT TO UNDERSTAND WHY. PUBLIC RECORD INDICATES MR. JUDGE HAS HAD A TROUBLED LIFE. HE HAS BATTLED WITH ADDICTION FOR MOST OF HIS LIFE. WE HEARD TESTIMONY THAT HE HAS BEEN NEAR BATH. — DEATH. HE IS A CANCER SURVIVOR. HE HAS ALSO BEEN DIRECTLY ACCUSED OF MULTIPLE FELONIES. SO WHEN INVESTIGATORS ASKED TO INTERVIEW HIM, HE SAID NO. THAT SHOULDN’T SURPRISE ANYBODY. WE HAD A VOTE EARLIER TODAY ON SUBPOENAING HIM. IT’S NOT COMPLICATED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU WERE SUBPOENAED. IF HE CAME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE, ANY DEFENSE LAWYER WOULD TELL MR. JUDGE NOT TO TESTIFY. I UNDERSTAND POLITICALLY DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE A MAN WHO STRUGGLED WITH ADDICTION MOST OF HIS LIFE SITTING BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND PLEADING THE FIFTH. THAT WOULD MAKE GREAT THEATRICS. THAT WOULD MAKE GREAT POLITICAL THEATRICS. IT WOULDN’T HELP ONE IOTA IN THE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. BUT IT WOULD MAKE A GREAT PUBLIC SHOW. AND I WILL SAY OF THE THREE FACT WITNESSES, THE ONE WHO I THINK IS MOST REVEALING IS LEGAL IN KAISER. — LELAND KAISER. MS. KAISER HAD EVERY INCENTIVE TO BACK UP HER STORY. INSTEAD, MS. KAISER UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY SAYS SHE DOESN’T KNOW JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND SHE HAS NO RECOLLECTION OF ANY PARTY LIKE THE ONE DR. FORD DESCRIBES. DR. FORD TESTIFIED THAT MS. KAISER TEXTED HER AFTER SUBMITTING THAT STATEMENT TO SAY SHE WAS SORRY, SORRY FOR NOT BACKING UP HER STORY. I THINK THAT INDICATES POWERFULLY THAT HER INCENTIVES IF AT ALL POSSIBLE WORK TO BACK UP THE STORY AND YET SHE DIDN’T FEEL SHE COULD. SHE HAD NO MOTIVE TO LIE. EVERY INCENTIVE TO AGREE WITH DR. FORD’S STORY AND YET SHE DID NOT DO SO. SO ALL THREE FACT WITNESSES HAVE EXPLICITLY DISPUTED THE ALLEGATIONS. WHAT OTHER EVIDENCE DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S CALENDARS. I HAVE TO ADMIT WHEN THEY WERE FIRST RELEASED THERE WERE STORIES ABOUT THEM. I DIDN’T FIND THAT PERSUASIVE EVIDENCE. UNTIL JUDGE KAVANAUGH WALKED THROUGH DAY BY DAY EACH OF THE POSSIBLE DAYS WHEN THIS WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE HAPPENE AND WALKED THROUGH THE SPECIFIC CONFLICT HOW HE WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR MANY OF THE DAYS. HAD CONFLICTS FOR MANY OF THE DAYS. THE NOTIONS THAT THEY WERE ALMOST LIKE DIARIES IS KIND OF ODD. THAT’S NOT SOMETHING MANY PEOPLE DO BUT IT IS SOMETHING HE AND HIS FATHER BOTH DO. THAT EVIDENCE THAT HE KEPT IN 1982 — THAT KIND OF EVIDENCE WOULD BE POWERFUL IN COURT. IF YOU’RE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN TWO CONFLICTING WITNESSES, YOU LOOK FOR CONTEMPORANEOUS EVIDENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND FINALLY, WE KNOW JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S IMPECCABLE RECORD OF DECADES OF PUBLIC SERVICE. HE IS 53 YEARS OLD. AND PRIOR TO TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE HAVE BEEN NO ALLEGATIONS WHATSOEVER OF THIS KIND. SIX FBI BACKGROUND CHECKS, NOBODY RAISED ANY CLAIM LIKE THIS. NOW ALL OF US KNOW FROM HUMAN EXPERIENCE THAT IF SOMEONE IS A SEXUAL PREDATOR, IF SOMEONE IS COMMITTING THESE KINDS OF ACTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLEGED, THAT IT IS VERY RARE THAT THEY ARE A ONE TIME OFFENDER. IF SOMEONE IS CARRYING OUT THIS KIND OF CONDUCT, THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A PATTERN OF DOING SO OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WE HAVE SEEN POWERFUL MEN IN POLITICS AND HOLLYWOOD WHOSE CAREERS HAVE BEEN RIGHTLY ENDED BUT FOR A PATTERN OF HARASSMENT AND ABUSE THAT TYPICALLY EXTENDS DECADES. WHEN SOMEONE BEHAVES LIKE THIS, THEY BEHAVE LIKE THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THERE IS NO CREDIBLE INDICATION THAT THAT HAS OCCURRED. INDEED, IT IS STRIKING THAT IN HIS 12 YEARS AS A FEDERAL JUDGE MAJORITY OF HIS LAW CLERKS HAVE BEEN WOMEN. THAT IS EXCEPTIONALLY UNUSUAL. I DO NOT KNOW OF ANOTHER FEDERAL APPELLATE JUDGE FOR WHOM THAT IS THE CASE. I CAN TELL YOU HIS LAW CLERKS REVERE HIM. THEY HOLD HIM IN THE VERY HIGHEST OF RESPECT. HIS REPUTATION IN THIS TOWN IS OF BEING A BOY SCOUT. IT IS OF BEING A BORING BOY SCOUT. THAT HAS BEEN HIS REPUTATION FOR LONG TIME. NOW, SOME MIGHT SAY, THERE HAVE BEEN THESE OTHER SENSATIONAL ALLEGATIONS. WE HAVE SEEN OTHERS THAT HAVE POPPED UP AFTER THIS ONE. I THOUGHT IT WAS STRIKING YESTERDAY THAT NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRATIC MEMBER CHOSE TO ASK ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER ALLEGATIONS. I THINK THAT INDICATES HOW LITTLE CREDIBILITY THERE IS BEHIND THOSE ALLEGATIONS. THE ONE THAT IS THE MOST SENSATIONAL BY THE CLIENT OF MICHAEL AVENATTI MAKES EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS WHICH APPARENTLY THE COLLEAGUES ARE EMBARRASSED TO SAY PUBLICLY BECAUSE THEY DEMONSTRATE THIS IS A PARTISAN CIRCUS. IT IS NOT ABOUT SUBSTANCE. THIS IS ABOUT SMEARS. >>COULD I ASKED THE SENATOR TO SUM IT UP? THE REASON I HAVE DONE THAT IS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO SPEAK. >>THIS COMMITTEE HAS GIVEN DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH AFFAIR OPPORTUNITY TO LAY OUT THEIR VIEWS. AND I WILL SAY, UNFORTUNATELY, THE CONDUCT OF THE DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES, IT HAS BEEN CLEAR THAT THIS HAS ALL BEEN ABOUT POLITICS AND DELAYING THIS CONFIRMATION UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION, HOPING THEY WIN THE SENATE IN THE ELECTION AND THEN KEEPING THE SEAT VACANT UNTIL 2021. EVERY DEMOCRATIC MEMBER BEFORE THE CONFIRMATION HEARING STARTED SAID THEY OPPOSED JUDGE KAVANAUGH BEFORE A SINGLE THING STARTED. AND NOT ONLY THAT, THIS ALLEGATION — THEY HAD IT IN WRITING ON JULY 30. IF THAT HAD BEEN REPORTED TO THE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN. WE HAVE A PROCESS TO INVESTIGATE THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL.>>THAT’S THE WAY THIS PROCESS SHOULD’VE WORKED AND THAT TESTIMONY YESTERDAY FROM DR. FORD IS THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAD COPIES OF THE LETTER WERE HERSELF, THE LAWYERS, REPRESENTATIVE ESHOO , AND THE RANKING MEMBER. NEITHER SHE NOR HER LAWYERS HANDED THE LETTER OVER. THAT LEADS THE ONLY CONCLUSION POSSIBLE IS IT WAS THE — LEAKED TO THE MEMBER S OF CONGRESS OR TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO THEY GAVE IT. IF THERE ARE ONLY FOUR PEOPLE IN TWO DID NOT GIVE IT THAN THE OTHER TWO ARE THE ONLY POSSIBLE SOURCES. AND THAT UNFORTUNATELY DEMONSTRATES A CYNICISM, A WILLINGNESS TO SMEAR DR. FORD IF IT HELPS POLITICALLY DELAY THIS NOMINATION. I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BE FAIR, IMPARTIAL, TO LISTEN TO THE EVIDENCE. THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND THAT’S WHAT I HOPE THIS COMMITTEE DOES. THAT’S WHAT I HOPE THE FULL SENATE DOES. >>SENATOR. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YESTERDAY WAS AN IMPORTANT AND DIFFICULT DAY. A LONG DAY. FOR DR. FORD, FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH, FOR THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, FOR THE NATION. AND I WILL SAY BRIEFLY THAT BEFORE YESTERDAY BEGAN I PRAYED. I PRAYED FOR DR. FORD AND HER FAMILY. I PRAYED FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH. I PRAYED FOR THE CHAIRMAN AND RANKING MEMBER. I PRAYED FOR THE PRESIDENT. I PRAYED FOR ALL WHO WOULD WATCH YESTERDAY WHO ARE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND I PRAYED FOR ALL WHO WOULD WATCH YESTERDAY UNCERTAIN IF WE COULD CONDUCT OURSELVES RESPECTFULLY. AND I MUST SAY AFTER EVERYTHING I HAVE HEARD, I’M STRUCK THAT IN THE TWITTER FIELD POLITICS OF OUR DAY, WE MUST ASK OURSELVES WHAT ABOUT OUR CONDUCT? WHAT ABOUT THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO COME FORWARD WITH CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, TO SEEK A NOMINATION TO FEDERAL COURT OR OTHER POSITION OF — POSITION OF TRUST , OR TO SERVE HERE? I WILL PRAY FOR OUR NATION TONIGHT. THE BURDEN ON THIS COMMITTEE WAS TO ADDRESS, INVESTIGATE, AND RESOLVE REASONABLE DOUBTS AS TO CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE NOMINEE BEFORE THEM. BY THAT TEST, THIS COMMITTEE HAS FAILED. I KNOW WE HAVE HEARD STRONG WORDS ABOUT MANY COLLEAGUES. AND MY PREDECESSOR, LONG SERVING SENATOR JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN COURTED BY MANY AND I WOULD SAY MISQUOTED AT TIMES. I WANT TO SHARE ONE QUOTE HE SAID TO ME. IT IS ALWAYS APPROPRIATE TO QUESTION ANOTHER SENATOR’S POLICIES. IT IS ALWAYS APPROPRIATE TO QUESTION PRIORITIES BUT IS NEVER APPROPRIATE TO QUESTION MOTIVES. AND THERE HAS BEEN FAR TOO MUCH OF THAT THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS PROCESS. IN A WAY THAT, FRANKLY, WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO TAKE OFF OUR PARTISAN JERSEYS AND GET BACK TO THE IMPORTANT WORK OF FINDING SOLUTIONS TO THE REAL CHALLENGES FACING THIS COUNTRY. WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR IN THIS PROCESS IS THE FAX. — FACTS. MANY OF YOU HAVE QUESTIONED THE TIMING. I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THESE POINTS AND WANT TO EXPLAIN BRIEFLY WHY. THE FIRST TIME I LEARNED OF THE ALLEGATIONS THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER WAS ON SEPTEMBER 12. RANKING MEMBER FEINSTEIN DISCLOSE THIS INFORMATION TO MYSELF AND OTHER DEMOCRATS ONLY AFTER REPORTERS HAD LEARNED OF THE LETTER DR. FORD PROVIDED. I REGRET THAT THIS LEAK. THE DECISION IF SHE CAME FOR SHOULD’VE BEEN DR. FORD ‘S AND DR. FORD ‘S ALONE. I CANNOT RULE OUT THAT THE PERSON WHO LEAKED THIS HAD AN AGENDA BUT I AM CERTAIN THAT RANKING MEMBER FEINSTEIN DID NOT DISCLOSE THAT PRIOR TO THAT DATE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THEIRS TO SHARE. I THINK IT IS REGRETTABLE THAT LONG SERVING HONORABLE COLLEAGUES OF HERS HAVE QUESTIONED HER MOTIVES. I KNOW SINCE THE DAY THAT MY COLLEAGUES AND I LEARNED OF THESE ALLEGATIONS WE’VE HAD ONE CONSISTENT REQUEST TO ALLOW THE FBI TO INVESTIGATE THEM IN A NONPARTISAN, PROFESSIONAL, EVENHANDED MANNER AND DELIVERED THEIR FINDINGS SO WE COULD REACH A CONCLUSION. THAT SAME NIGHT SHE SENT A LETTER REQUESTING SUCH AN INVESTIGATION. ASSESSED — TO SUGGEST THAT LETTERS ARE AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE FOR EFFECT GATHERING PROCESS THAT WE MIGHT THEN CONSIDER IS NOT CREDIBLE AND REFLECTS SADLY, A WILLFUL BLINDNESS TO THE INSTITUTION. TO MY COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE AISLE, YOU KNOW ME. YOU KNOW I TRY TO BE FAIR TO NOMINEES. I RESPECT THIS PROCESS AND THE MIDI OF THOSE WITH WHOM I PASSIONATELY DISAGREE. IF I WERE CONVINCED THIS WERE NOTHING MORE THAN A PARTISAN HIT JOB DESIGNED TO TAKE DOWN A GUNMAN AND HOLD THE POSITION VACANT, I WOULD NOT STAND FOR IT. AN INVESTIGATION WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE DR. FORD ‘S RECOLLECTION OF HER ASSAULT WAS SEARING BUT INCOMPLETE. DR. FORD TESTIFIED CREDIBLY ABOUT THESE PAINFUL MEMORIES SHE’S CARRIED WITH HER. THE FEELING OF A HAND CLASPED OVER HER MOUTH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO BREATHE. THE SOUND OF LAUGHTER WHILE SHE WAS PINNED ON A BED. THE WEIGHT OF A BODY ON TOP OF HER AND OF FEELING OF RELIEF FLEEING THE HOUSE. SHE TESTIFIED WITH CERTAINTY THAT THE PERSON WHO ASSAULTED HER WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH WHO SHE KNEW THROUGH MULTIPLE ACQUAINTANCES AND HAD SOCIALIZED WITH HIM MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. BUT IT IS TRUE AS WIDELY REPEATED THAT DR. FORD CANNOT PINPOINT THE DATE OR THE TIME OF THE ASSAULT, THE EXACT LOCATION, AND THAT SHE DID NOT TELL ANYBODY ABOUT THAT ASSAULT AT THAT TIME. THERE IS NOT AN EYEWITNESS WHO IS BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE THE DETAILS OF THIS. ALL OF WHICH IS TYPICAL OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. MANY EXPERTS HAVE SAID HOW COMMON IT IS FOR SURVIVORS TO REMEMBER SOME FACTS WITH CLARITY AND NOT OTHERS. IT HAS TO DO A SURVIVAL MODE THAT TURNS ON WHEN WE EXPERIENCE TRAUMA. THE VAST MAJORITY OF VICTIMS DELAY DISCLOSING WHAT HAPPENED OR NEVER DISCLOSE IT AT ALL. ONE OF THE MOST STRIKING THINGS ABOUT THIS HEARING FOR ME HAS BEEN THE SO FAR FIVE, FIVE PERSONAL FRIENDS, ACQUAINTANCES , PEOPLE I’VE KNOWN FOR YEARS OR DECADES WHO HAVE CONVEYED TO ME THEIR EXPERIENCES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT ON THIS PHONE WHILE THIS TESTIMONY WAS GOING ON. THAT SUGGESTS THAT THERE IS AN OCEAN OF PAIN IN THIS NATION NOT FULLY HEARD, NOT FULLY ADDRESSED, NOT APPROPRIATELY RESOLVED. AND I FOR ONE WILL NOT — THE REFRAIN SAID BY TOO MANY IN RESPONSE TO THESE ALLEGATIONS BY DR. FORD THAT IT HAPPENED TOO LONG AGO THAT BOYS WILL BE BOYS. WE MUST DO BETTER THAN THAT. WE MUST SET A BETTER STANDARD FOR OUR OWN FAMILIES AND OUR FUTURE. I WORRY SINCERELY ABOUT THE MESSAGE WE ARE SENDING TO ASSAULT SURVIVORS IF WE PLOW AHEAD WITH THIS NOMINATION DESPITE THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE ALLEGATIONS. AND I HAVE CONVEYED TO MY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES THAT I’VE WISHED WE WOULD TAKE A ONE- WEEK BREAK. ONE WEEK ONLY. NOT TO SPELL THIS OUT PAST THE ELECTION, NOT TO PURSUE SOME PART A SINGLE, BUT TO ALLOW AN INTERVIEW WITH EVERYONE WHO MAY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION. STARTING, YES, WITH MARK JUDGE WHO OBVIOUSLY WILL NOT BE SUBPOENAED TO APPEAR BEFORE US. I WILL REMIND YOU BRIEFLY THAT MANY OF THOSE WHO CAME FORWARD TO SUPPORT JUDGE KAVANAUGH INCLUDING MY OWN PROFESSOR FROM YALE LAW SCHOOL AND AN ORGANIZATION I’VE LONG LONG TO HAVE SPOKEN UP TO ALSO REQUEST A THOROUGH AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. I THINK TO ASK FOR A WEEK IS NOT TO ASK FOR TOO MUCH. WHEN ANITA HILL CAME FORWARD, THE WHITE HOUSE COOPERATED AND IN FOUR DAYS, IN FOUR DAYS A HEARING WAS PUT TOGETHER WITH 22 WITNESSES. I THINK THAT IS WHAT DR. FORD DESERVES. I THINK THAT IS WHAT HER BRAVERY DESERVES. I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE NATION DESERVES. I WOULD NOT GO THROUGH A LONG POINT BY POINT — OF WHAT WE HAVE JUST HEARD BUT LET ME SIMPLY SAY A FEW THINGS ABOUT DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY. SHE HAD THE PAIN OF THIS ATTACK FOR TOO LONG. HER MEMORIES DO NOT SAVORS LOAN. DR. FORD TOLD HER HUSBAND IN 2002. SHE TOLD THERAPISTS IN 2012 AND 2013. SHE TOLD FRIENDS IN SEVERAL YEARS. AND HAS SUBMITTED TESTIMONY ABOUT ALL OF THAT TO THIS COMMITTEE. DR. FORD WHEN SHE CAME FORWARD ESTERDAY, HAD N AND A LOT TO LOSE. SHE CAME FORWARD TO TESTIFY ABOUT HER EXPERIENCE OF ASSAULT. I’M GOING TO USE HER WORDS. SHE SAID I’M HERE TODAY NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO BE, I’M TERRIFIED. I’M HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT IS MY CIVIC DUTY TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED TO ME WHILE BRETT KAVANAUGH AND I WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL. CIVIC DUTY. THE CIVIC DUTY TO TELL THE TRUTH. DR. FORD CAME FORWARD TO VOICE CONCERNS ABOUT JUDGE KAVANAUGH BEFORE HE WAS NOMINATED. SHE REACHED OUT TO HER CONGRESSWOMAN ANONYMOUSLY AND TO THE WASHINGTON POST AS WELL WHEN HIS NAME WAS ON THE SHORTLIST. SHE WAS NOT LYING IN WAIT FOR A TIME TO MAKE A BIG REVEAL TO SINK A NOMINEE. SHE WANTED THIS INFORMATION TO GET TO PRESIDENT — THE PRESIDENT BEFORE HE MADE HIS SELECTION. JUDGE KAVANAUGH UNEQUIVOCALLY DENIED THAT ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM YESTERDAY. BUT SOMETHING HE SAID REPEATEDLY WAS NOT ACCURATE. OVER AND OVER AGAIN HE TESTIFIED AND WE JUST HEARD REPEATED TODAY THAT DR. FORD’S ACCOUNT WAS REFUTED BY THREE INDIVIDUALS. THAT’S NOT THE CASE. AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH KNOWS IT. NOT RECALL IT IS NOT THE SAME AS REFUTING. THEIR STATEMENTS SAY THEY DON’T REMEMBER THE GATHERING. OF COURSE, NONE OF THESE THREE PEOPLE WERE SALTED THAT NIGHT. FOR TWO OF THEM IT WOULD’VE BEEN AN UNREMARKABLE EVENING. JUST ANOTHER CASUAL SUMMER. LELAND KAISER SAID THAT SHE BELIEVES DR. FORD’S ACCOUNT. THAT’S A FACT THAT HASN’T BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED. IN MY FIELD — VIEW, — IT IS A FAILURE IN THE EFFORT TO GET TO THE TRUTH. WE ALSO HAVE TO FACE THE REALITY, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS BROUGHT IN BY MS. RAMIREZ AND MISS SWETNICK WHO OF BOTH ASPIRIN FBI INVESTIGATION. THEIR CLAIMS HAVE VARYING CREDIBILITY BUT DESERVE TO BE HEARD. I WISH JUDGE KAVANAUGH WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED A SHORT PAUSE FOR AN INVESTIGATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF CLEARING HIS OWN NAME. WHAT I WILL SAY AS I CONCLUDE — BUT I WILL SAY AS I CONCLUDE, THERE IS SUCH THING — SUCH — SOMETHING GREATER AT STAKE. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT HIS CREDIBILITY. IT’S ABOUT THE COURT’S LEGITIMACY. WE ARE LEFT WITH THE REALITY IF HIS NOMINATION GOES FORWARD THIS MORNING, AFTER TESTIMONY FULL OF RAGE AND VITRIOL BUT WITHOUT A BRIEF PAUSE FOR NONPARTISAN INVESTIGATIONS, HIS SERVICE MAY HAVE AN ASTERIX. THEY WILL HAVE REASON TO QUESTION THE FAIRNESS OF THE INSTITUTION. THAT IS TOO GREAT A COST TO IMPOSE IN EXCHANGE FOR ANY ONE MAN. IT IS MY HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES , THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET DECIDED OR DECLARED THEIR DECISION WILL STILL JOIN IN A REQUEST TO ALLOW THE FBI TO DO IT’S IMPORTANT WORK AND FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO ALLOW ITSELF THE TIME TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE REMAINING ALLEGATIONS. EVEN THE VOTE, I KNOW THAT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. — GIVEN THE VOTE, I KNOW THAT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. THOSE HEARINGS BEGAN WITHOUT A DECLARED POSITION BY MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS SIDE. FOR ME, IT WAS JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S EXTREME VIEWS ON PRESIDENTIAL POWER THAT I ENGAGE WITH HIM VIGOROUSLY ON AND THAT I BELIEVE I ENGAGE WITH HIM RESPECTFULLY ON THAT DETERMINED MY VOTE ON HIM. BUT FOR US TO PROCEED TODAY WITHOUT GIVING THE THOUGHTFUL, SERIOUS, AND THOROUGH INVESTIGATION IS FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO FAIL TO DO ITS JOB. I PRAY THAT AFTER TODAY WE MAY YET FIND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY, THE COUNTRY, THE WORLD DESERVES NO LESS. THANK YOU. >>I’M GOING TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE SIDE OF THE AISLE IF — AND I’M NOT GOING TO ASK THE DEMOCRATS TO DO THIS BUT COULD WE KIND OF — I HAVE ONLY INTERRUPTED SENATOR CRUISE. CAN WE MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE REMARKS A LITTLE SHORT SO EVERYBODY CAN SPEAK? SENATOR KENNEDY. OKAY. I GUESS I’M WRONG. SENATOR. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WILL DO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND FIRST TO A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT THE FBI INVESTIGATION AND THE DYNAMIC OF WHAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS DONE. IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS CHANGED ITS PROCEDURE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT HAS CONDUCTED THIS BUSINESS IN THIS WAY. AGAIN, AS I SAID YESTERDAY, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED AND CORRECTED. THE FACT IS THAT WHEN THE FBI DOES ITS BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION, IT DOES JUST THAT . A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. TALKS TO PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE NOMINEE. IT TAKES A STATEMENT FROM THEM. AND THEN IT DELIVERS ITS PACKAGE OF INVESTIGATIVE INFORMATION TO THE WHITE HOUSE WHICH PASSES IT ON TO THE COMMITTEE. THAT’S THE REPORT THIS COMMITTEE RECEIVES FROM THE FBI. IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT PRESIDENT BUSH REOPENED THE FBI INVESTIGATION WHEN THE ANITA HILL AFFIRMATION CAME OUT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS — AND IF I’M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME BUT WHEN YOU AS THE CHAIRMAN FINALLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE INFORMATION, THAT INFORMATION ALSO WENT TO THE FBI. PERHAPS IT WAS THE RANKING MEMBER THAT GAVE THE LETTER TO THE FBI. BUT THE FBI WAS GIVEN THE INFORMATION. IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT’S CORRECT. AND HE SAID TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE USUAL WAY THEY DO, THEY CONSIDER IT CLOSED. >>SO FIRST OF ALL, THE FULL LETTER UNREACTED WAS GIVEN TO THE FBI — REDACTED WAS GIVEN TO THE FBI. THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT USUALLY DOES. THAT IS TO REOPEN IT, IF YOU WILL, EVALUATE THE LETTER, AND I UNDERSTAND THE FBI THEN CLOSED IT AND SENT THE INFORMATION TO THE WHITE HOUSE AS THEY DID WITH THE PREVIOUS REPORT BEFORE THIS ALLEGATION CAME UP. IS THAT CORRECT? >>THE ONLY THING I CAN VERIFY IS THAT THE FBI DID WHAT THEY WOULD USUALLY DO AND THEY — AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. AND THEY PROBABLY WOULD KEEP THEIR OWN INTERNAL STUFF TO THEMSELVES. THEY SENT A COVER LETTER TO THE WHITE HOUSE SAYING THE ISSUE WAS CLOSE. >>SO THE FBI DID LOOK AT THIS. THEY DID WHATEVER IT DOES IN BACKGROUND CHECKS. AND THEN THEY RESENT AN UPDATED AMOUNT OF INFORMATION TO THE WHITE HOUSE WHICH THEY THEN FORWARDED TO US. AND THEN THE PROCESS WHICH HAS BEEN TRADITIONALLY FOLLOWED WAS FOLLOWED AGAIN. AND I BELIEVE THAT IMMEDIATELY THE CHAIRMAN OPENED UP AN INVESTIGATION BY THIS COMMITTEE. THAT ALSO IS CUSTOMARY PRACTICE. AND AS HAS BEEN STATED BUT I WILL RESTATE AGAIN, OUR COMMITTEE STAFF WHICH IS EXTENSIVE AND WELL TRAIN HAS LEGAL AUTHORITIES — TRAINED HAS LEGAL AUTHORITIES SIMILAR TO FBI INVESTIGATORS. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERVIEWED AND THOSE WHO ARE REACHED OUT TO BY THE COMMITTEE ARE UNDER PENALTY OF A FELONY THAT COULD RESULT IN 5 YEARS IN PRISON IF THEY DON’T RESPOND HONESTLY AND CORRECTLY TO THE QUESTIONS. EVERY ONE OF THE WITNESSES THAT WAS IDENTIFIED HAS BEEN REACHED OUT TO. NOW, SOME COMMENTS HAVE BEEN THEY DIDN’T ACTUALLY SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO A DEPOSITION OR TO SOME KIND OF A COURT PROCESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AS WE ARE AWARE OF, THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO TRY TO GET A STATEMENT FROM THEM. AND IN THIS CASE, UNDER PENALTY OF FELONY WERE FROM ALL OF THE WITNESSES. I THINK THE ARGUMENT THAT THERE WAS SOME PROCESS THAT WAS NOT FAIR. THE ARGUMENT THAT IT WAS NOT THE SAME THAT IT IS FOLLOWED IN THE PAST IS ALSO INACCURATE. THAT’S ALSO VERY CRITICAL. TO TURN TO THE ISSUE AT HAND, WE RECEIVED HOURS AND HOURS OF TESTIMONY FROM TWO WITNESSES. AND BOTH OF THEM, FRANKLY MADE STRONG CASES. THIS COMMITTEE IS UNDER THE NEED TO EVALUATE THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GIVEN. AND DETERMINE HOW IT WILL — IN THAT CONTEXT, I CAME AWAY BELIEVING THERE HAD BEEN A SEXUAL ASSAULT IN DR. FORD’S PAST. IT’S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR WHEN, WHERE, AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT SHE TRUTHFULLY TESTIFIED THAT SHE HAD HAD A SEXUAL ASSAULT. I HAVE TO SAY, I ALSO LISTENED FAIRLY — VERY CAREFULLY TO JUDGE KAVANAUGH AS HE TESTIFIED. AND I FELT THAT THE TESTIMONY HE GAVE WAS ALSO HONEST. HE GAVE VERY STRONG TESTIMONY THAT HE WAS NOT THERE. AND SO, THIS COMMITTEE HAS TO FACE THE DIFFICULT TASK OF WHAT BURDEN OF PROOF APPLIES AND WHAT STANDARD DOESN’T APPLY IN EXERCISING THE ADVICE AND CONSENT THAT IT GIVES, AND THAT’S IT DIFFICULT THINK THAT EACH ONE OF US INDIVIDUALLY NEEDS TO FACE AND DEAL WITH. AS I HAVE SAID, I DON’T FEEL THAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS THERE NOT NIGHT . I BELIEVE HIS TESTIMONY. I BELIEVE DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY ABOUT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I WILL VOTE YES TODAY TO MOVE THE NOMINATION FORWARD TO THE FLOOR. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS HAS BEEN MY FIRST PROCESS. MY FIRST TIME THROUGH A SUPREME COURT NOMINATION PROCESS. I FOUGHT FOR YEARS TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. IT’S THE ONE I WANTED TO BE ON AS SOON AS I GOT TO THE SENATE IN 2013. I MADE YOU AWARE OF THAT, SIR. IT HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE, A LIFETIME DREAM TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR YOU. SOME PEOPLE HAVE EVEN CRITICIZED ME FOR THE AFFECTION WITH WHICH I HAVE FOR YOU, SIR. YOU HAVE BEEN A PARTNER. THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE SENIOR MEMBERS, YOU ALL — SENATOR HATCH, SENATOR GRASSLEY, SENATOR LEAHY, SENATOR FEINSTEIN, YOU WILL HAVE BEEN ANCHORS IN THIS ENTIRE INSTITUTION TO A TIME WHERE THE COMEDY WAS DEEPER AND GREATER AND HAVE RESISTED IN MANY WAYS THAT I FIND ADMIRABLE. THE DRIFT TOWARDS TRIBALISM WITHIN THIS INSTITUTION. WHEN A VACANCY HAPPENED, I WAS ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT DO NOT WAIT LONG BEFORE I NOTICED MY INTENTIONS TO VOTE AGAINST JUDGE KAVANAUGH. AND, SIR, I DID IT FOR SINCERELY HELD BELIEFS. I DID IT BECAUSE I FELT THIS WAS A PERSON THAT HAD MADE IT CLEAR AND THAT ENTIRE LIST PREPARED, THAT THIS WAS A GUY THAT SPOKE DIRECTLY TOWARDS A VIEW OF PRESIDENTIAL POWER, RESIDENTIAL IMMUNITIES. IN THIS PEERLESS TIME WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS THE SUBJECT OF A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, HE WAS GOING TO PROTECT THAT PRESIDENT AND SAID AS MUCH. MAKE SURE THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS ABOVE THE LAW AND ACCOUNTABILITY. AND, SIR, I HAVE LEARNED A LOT. I’M ONE OF THE GUYS ON THE SIDE OF THE AISLE, WHEN MY COLLEAGUES SPEAK, I LISTEN. I TRIED TO GIVE THEM MY FULL ATTENTION. AND I DON’T ALWAYS AGREE, BUT I’VE LEARNED A LOT FROM MY COLLEAGUES. AND MY FRIENDSHIPS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE, MY SINCERE FRIENDSHIPS — THERE IS BEEN TIMES I’VE TEXTED BACK AND FORTH WITH PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE. I RESPECT THEM. AND I HAVE FOUGHT HARD DURING THIS PROCESS. I HAVE GIVEN IT EVERYTHING I GOT. I HAVE LEARNED THAT GOING BACK TO BEING A FOOTBALL PLAYER. BETWEEN THE WHISTLES YOU FIGHT AS HARD AS YOU CAN FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE. IF YOU WANT TO CALL THAT PARTISANSHIP, FIND. — FINE. I HAVE BEEN EXUBERANT IN MY BELIEFS. AND I HAVE LEARNED A LOT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SOME OF MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN REFERENCED NUMEROUS TIMES AND I KNOW THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN AS PER SIZED AND ALLOWED COMMENTS TO BE MISCHARACTERIZED. AND I DON’T BLAME THOSE PEOPLE. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE LEARNED TO BE MORE PRECISE. I TALKED TO THESE ISSUES AND VALUES AS MUCH AS I CAN. I TRAVEL AROUND THIS COUNTRY CALLING FOR RESPECT, DIGNITY OF REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND RECOGNIZING AS MUCH AS I CAN — AND I SAY IT. YOU CANNOT LOVE YOUR COUNTRY UNLESS YOU LOVE ALL YOUR COUNTRY MEN AND WOMEN. THE GOODNESS AND THE DECENCY OF REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IS SELF-EVIDENT. WE DEMONIZE EACH OTHER IN WAYS THAT I WILL BE IN CONTINUE TO BE TRYING TO GET THE DIALOGUE TO RISE TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, TO BE A COUNTRY THAT SEES WE NEED EACH OTHER. THERE IS NO DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN WAY. THERE IS ONLY AN AMERICAN WAY. SIR, YOU KNOW, — AND I’VE SAID THIS TO YOU PERSONALLY AND PUBLICLY, IN THE HARDNES IN WHICH I FIGHT, I MADE NO PERSONAL INSULT. THE CHARGES CAME UP AND I SAY SINCERELY THAT I THINK THE WAY THIS PROCESS WAS RUN WAS A SHAM. I USED THAT WORD, SIR. AND IT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE EVALUATING SOMEONE FOR THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND WITH SUCH A SMALL PART OF HIS RELEVANT PRODUCT. I DIDN’T UNDERSTAND SO MUCH OF HIS WRITING — APPROXIMATELY 90% WAS NOT BEING SEEN BY THIS COMMITTEE AND CONTROLLED BY A PROCESS THAT WAS SO BROKEN. AND THEN, SIR, I VIOLATED THE RULES THAT YOU PUT FORWARD IN THIS COMMITTEE. WILLFULLY AND KNOWINGLY AND ACCEPTING THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT. AND I DID SO BECAUSE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE BEING WITHHELD FROM THE PUBLIC, I FELT THEY HAD A RIGHT TO KNOW. THEY WEREN’T CLASSIFIED. WERE NO NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES. WE DISAGREED ON THAT, SIR. I LOCKED HORNS WITH PEOPLE ACROSS THE AISLE AND EVEN AFTER ALL THAT, I WAS GRATEFUL FOR THE COMEDY. THE GENTLEMAN SAID I WAS TAUGHT TO HATE THE SIN BUT LOVE THE SINNER. I REALLY LOVE BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE. I LOVE IT. FROM LIVING IN NEWARK, NEW JERSEY, THIS IS WHERE WANTED TO BE, SIR. I WANTED TO BE ON A COMMITTEE THAT DEALT WITH ISSUES OF JUSTICE IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE WHEN WE SWEAR AN OATH TO LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, I DON’T THINK WE’RE THERE YET AS A COUNTRY. AND I HAVE TO SAY NOW, AS I’M SITTING HERE THAT I DEEPLY RESENT THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW WHEN DR. FORD CAME FORWARD THAT THIS DEALT WITH PARTISANSHIP. THIS HAS SHIFTED THE DEBATE IN THIS COMMITTEE AND IN THIS COUNTRY FROM RAW PARTISANSHIP TO SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER. I HAVE SUCH RESPECT FOR THE RANKING MEMBER. AND I WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN WE DISCUSSED, LITERALLY, HOURS AFTER I WAS MADE AWARE OF THE LETTER EXISTING ABOUT WHAT HER MOTIVATIONS WERE. FORGIVE ME FOR SPEAKING OUT OF TURN IF THE RANKING MEMBER BELIEVES I AM, BUT HER ENTIRE SENSE OF DECENCY AND HONOR HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS. POLITICS WAS NOT MENTIONED. HER ENTIRE CONCERN WAS ABOUT THE DIGNITY AND HUMIDITY AND THE RESPECT FOR DR. FORD. THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WAS ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED TO ALL OF US. I HAVE NOW BEEN IN NUMEROUS MEETINGS WERE POLITICS HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED. — WHERE POLITICS HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED. THERE BEEN SOME OF THE MOST ELOQUENT SPEAKING S OF — I’VE HEARD COLLEAGUES READ LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY AMERICANS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN MOMENT FOR THE COUNTRY. BACK IN THE EARLY 1990S, I WAS A STUDENT DURING THE ANITA HILL CLARENCE THOMAS HEARINGS. AND I THINK THERE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE THAT AGREED THAT WAS DEALT WITH WRONGLY. THE PROX US — PROCESS DID NOT MERIT THE DIGNITY AND DECENCY OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED ARE OF THE ISSUE OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT. YET, THAT INVOLVED MULTIPLE HEARINGS. THAT INVOLVED MULTIPLE WITNESSES. THAT INVOLVED AN FBI INVESTIGATION. AND YET WE STILL CRITICIZE THAT PROCESS. NOW WE ARE HERE TODAY AND WE HAVE FALLEN EVEN FAR SHORT OF WHAT I BELIEVED WAS AN INADEQUATE PROCESS. SIR, THIS IS NOT ABOUT PARTISANSHIP. AND A LOT OF FOLKS ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS ABOUT THE — IF SHE WAS FLYING TO CALIFORNIA OR NOT. IF THE LETTER WAS AUTHORIZED TO BE RELEASED OR NOT. IF THE PROCESS SERVED HER NOT. THAT SEEMS TO BE STRIPPING AWAY THE HEROISM OF DR. FORD TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE WILLINGLY EVEN UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES THAT SHE SAID HERSELF WERE NOT HER WISHES. SHE ASKED FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION. SHE HAS FOR MORE WITNESSES. SHE WASN’T GIVEN THAT SHE STILL CAME HER SET BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. AND WHAT DID SHE SAY, SIR? WHEN SOMEONE WHO HAS THE COURAGE TO SPEAK TO ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL BODIES IN THE LAND, WHAT DID SHE SAY? SHE SHARED A RAW AND VISCERAL INCREDIBLE TESTIMONY WITH THIS COMMITTEE AND THE WORLD AND SHE WAS BELIEVABLE. I BELIEVE HER. SHE TOLD US OF HER INDELIBLE MEMORY, USING WORDS LIKE SEARED INTO HER MEMORY. SPEAKING TO BRAIN CHEMISTRY — SHE SPOKE OF UPROARIOUS LAUGHTER OF BRETT KAVANAUGH AND MARK JUDGE. BEING PINNED TO A BED, BEING — HANDOVER THE MOST, FEARING FOR HER LIFE. SHE WAS TERRIFIED OF BEING RAPED OR ACCIDENTALLY KILLED. WHEN ASKED BY THIS COMMITTEE WHAT LEVEL OF CERTAINTY, THIS WAS I DON’T KNOW. I’M NOT 100% SURE. SHE SAID I AM 100 PERCENT CERTAIN — 100% CERTAIN IT WAS JUDGE KAVANAUGH. IT WAS SEARED INTO HER MEMORY. SHE KNOWS 100%. THAT’S CREDIBLE BECAUSE SHE KNEW HIM. SHE HAD INTERACTED WITH HIM SOCIALLY. BEFORE HE ATTACKED HER. SHE DIDN’T NEED TO PICK A MODIFIED LINEUP. — HIM OUT OF A LINEUP. SHE KNEW HIM. THIS IS NOT STAND ON ITS OWN. IT IS BOLSTERED BY SIGNIFICANT CORROBARATE. IN 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 SHE SPOKE OF IT. SHE TOLD TO FIVE PEOPLE LONG BEFORE JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS NOMINATED TO THE SUPREME COURT. SHE TOLD MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT SHE HAD BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AS A TEENAGER. SHE IDENTIFIED HIM SPECIFICALLY NAME IN SOME INSTANCES. IN OTHERS SHE DESCRIBED HER ATTACKER AS A FEDERAL JUDGE. EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE WITH THEIR SWORN STATEMENTS ATTESTING TO THESE FACTS. WE COULD’VE CALLED THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO TESTIFY THAT THIS WAS NOT WHAT I HAVE HEARD. SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CLINTONS AND ALL THE OTHER úALL IN THE EARLY YEARS HAD TALKED ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH ASSAULTING HER. IT’S NOT A POLITICAL ATTACK. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH HER STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CORROBARATE D AND DR. FORD’S ATTACK IS ALSO COOPERATED WITH INDEPENDENT FACTS. THEY WERE FRIENDS OF KAVANAUGH AND PRESENT IS CORROBARATE T — CORROBRATED. DR. FORD TESTIFIED SHORTLY AFTER THE ASSAULT, AROUND SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS LATER SHE RAN INTO MARK JUDGE AT A LOCAL GROCERY STORE. AND HE SEEMED VERY UNCOMFORTABLE TO SEE HER. IN HIS BOOK, MARK JUDGE DESCRIBED WORKING AT A LOCAL GROCERY STORE IN THE SUMMER OF 1982. IT IS ALL CONSISTENT. THE CIRCUMSTANCES ALSO SUPPORT HER. FIRST SHE MADE CONTACT WITH ELECTIVE REPRESENTATIVES BEFORE JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS EVEN NOMINATED. THIS ISN’T SOME POLITICAL HIT JOB. BEFORE HE WAS EVEN NOMINATED, SHE CAME FORWARD WITH THIS TESTIMONY. THE SECOND SHE SUBMITTED TO A LENGTHY, EMOTIONAL POLYGRAPH RECORD — WE DIDN’T CALL FOR THE TESTER TO SIT BEFORE US SO WE COULD QUESTION HIM. THE REPORT CONCLUDED THAT SHE WAS TRUTHFUL. AND IT IS NOW PART OF THE RECORD. NUMBER THREE, SHE REPORTEDLY CALLED FOR AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CLAIMS. FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT COULD SUBJECT HER TO CRIMINAL PENALTIES. WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS WHEN YOU GET A CALL FROM A COMMITTEE STAFFER OR PARTISAN STAFFER VERSUS WHEN YOU GET A CALL FROM THE FBI. LYING TO THEM IS A FELONY. THAT IS A POWERFUL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMMITTEE INVESTIGATION AND AN FBI AGENT INTERVIEWING PEOPLE, CHASING AFTER FACTS, PULLING ON THE LOOSE THREADS THAT HAVE BEEN EVIDENT IN JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S RECORD. FOURTH, SHE CAME FORWARD PUBLICLY DESPITE KNOWING SHE WOULD FACE HARSH PUBLIC SCRUTINY, THREATS, RELENTLESS INVASIONS OF PRIVACY. WE’VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE EFFECT ON JUDGE KAVANAUGH WHICH IS REAL AND NOT EXAGGERATED. BUT THE EFFECT ON HER AS WELL, AND WHAT SHE HAD TO SUBMIT TO BY COMING FORWARD AND MAKING THAT COURAGEOUS TESTIMONY. NOW JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY STANDS IN SHARP CONTRAST TO DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY. FIRST JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE SHOULD THESE BE FULLY INVESTIGATED AND PROVEN TRUE. EVERYTHING TO LOSE. THAT’S WHY HE DOESN’T WANT A FULL INVESTIGATION. SECONDLY, HE HAS GIVEN NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO CALL FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION, AND IN BENEFIT — AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BUT HE IS REFUSED TO DO SO. IF I WAS IN THE BALANCE AND BE ACCUSED OF THINGS THAT WERE ALLIES, I WOULD BE DEMANDING EVERY BIT OF INVESTIGATION POSSIBLE. NOT JUST THE FBI. I WOULD BE CALLING FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATORS. I WOULD BE CALLING ON EVERY LOOSE THREAD. BUT HE HAS NOT. HE HAS REFUSED TO CALL FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO HEAR LIVE TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES THAT COULD CORROBARATE HIS STORY OR DR. FORD’S. THIRD, HIS TESTIMONY REGARDING HIS DRINKING HABITS HAVE BEEN CONTRADICTED BY SO MANY PEOPLE. HIS STATEMENTS HAVE PROVEN TO BE NOT TRUE. HIS ROOMMATE HAS SAID THAT HE WAS FREQUENTLY INCOHERENTLY DRUNK AND THAT HE BECAME AGGRESSIVE AND BELLIGERENT. THAT’S NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT SAID THAT’S. JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S FRIEND TO WHOM HE REFERRED TO NUMEROUS TIMES SAID IS NOT CREDIBLE FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH TO SAY THAT HE HAS NO MEMORY LAPSES IN THE NIGHTS THAT HE DRINK TO EXCESS. AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS, MR. CHAIRMAN, LYNN BROOKS WHO SAID SHE DID NOT WANT TO COME FORWARD, ANOTHER FRIEND FROM YALE, SHE IS A REPUBLICAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. SHE DID NOT WANT TO COME FORWARD BUT LAST NIGHT AFTER LISTENING TO HIS TESTIMONY, WAS SO OFFENDED BY HIS LIES THAT THIS IS WHAT HIS FRIEND FROM YALE, A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN SAID, THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WHILE AT YALE HE WAS A BIG PARTY OR. HE OFTEN DRINK TO EXCESS. AND THERE HAD TO BE A NUMBER OF NIGHTS HE DOES NOT REMEMBER. IN FACT, I WAS WITNESSED TO THE NIGHT HE GOT TAPPED INTO HIS FRATERNITY AND WAS STUMBLING DRUNK AND HE WAS IN A RIDICULOUS — SAYING REALLY DUMB THINGS. I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT HE REMEMBERS THAT NIGHT. THIS IS A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN WHO DID NOT WANT TO COME FORWARD. THERE WERE MULTIPLE EMAILS AND TEXT CIRCLING AMONGST HER CLASSMATES ABOUT HOW KAVANAUGH WAS QUOTE LYING TO THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IN HIS TESTIMONY. THAT’S FROM A REPUBLICAN WHO DID NOT WANT TO COME FORWARD UNTIL SHE WITNESSED THOSE LIES. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD’S TESTIMONY OSTOMATE — ALSO MISCHARACTERIZED WHAT THREE OTHER PEOPLE INDICATED. HE TOLD US AS HIS EXONERATING EVIDENCE — HE KEPT MENTIONING THREE NAMES. HE REPEATEDLY SAID THAT FOUR PEOPLE WHO KNEW DR. FORD WHO DR. FORD SAID WAS PRESENT AT THE GATHERING SAID IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. THAT’S PATENTLY UNTRUE. MARK JUDGE SAID I HAVE NO MEMORY OF THIS ALLEGED INCIDENT. PJ SMITH SAID HE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF THESE ALLEGATIONS. THAT IS NOT, IT DID NOT HAPPEN. LELAND KAISER HAS SAID THROUGH HER ATTORNEY SHE HAS NO RECOLLECTION OF BEING AT A PARTY OR GATHERING WHEN KAVANAUGH WAS PRESENT . THAT WAS NOT, IT DID NOT HAPPEN. IN FACT, LELAND KAISER HAS SAID SHE BELIEVES DR. FORD. THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS DENIED THIS IS TAKEN PLACE WHO SAYS IT DID NOT HAPPEN IS JUDGE KAVANAUGH. AND SO NOW THIS IS THE REAL POINT, SERVE. >>CAN YOU — >>I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH, SERVE. — SIR. >>YOU’VE GONE 70 MINUTES. I HAVE THREE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. >>I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE. ARE YOU WILLING TO LET THREE OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK? >>I WANT TO FINISH MY COMMENTS. YOU CAN LET WHOEVER SPEAK, SPEAK. >>GO AHEAD, SIR. >>HE CAN TAKE MY TIME. >>THIS NATION IS WATCHING. WHICH IS SAW ONE REPUBLICAN SO OFFENDED BECAUSE SHE KNOWS KAVANAUGH. THIS IS AMERICANS WATCHING RIGHT NOW TO SEE WHAT THIS BODY WILL DO. THIS ISN’T ABOUT POLITICS OR PARTISANSHIP. I WILL FOREVER REMEMBER WHAT DR. FORD SAID WHEN SHE CAME BEFORE US. SHE WAS PERFORMING FOR CIVIC DUTY. SHE WASN’T TRYING TO DESTROY A MAN. SHE WAS A COURAGEOUS WOMAN TELLING HER TRUTH OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT. THIS IS WHAT WAS DONE TO ME, SHE SAYS. MANY COLLEAGUES SAID THEY FOUND DR. FORD CREDIBLE. BUT TO CONFIRM JUDGE KAVANAUGH YOU WOULD SAY THAT YOU DON’T BELIEVE HER , DR. FORD , BUT THAT YOU ARE SO CERTAIN THIS DIDN’T HAPPEN THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO FORCE A VOTE NOW WITHOUT ANY FURTHER INVESTIGATION. AT BEST, THIS MEANS YOU THINK SHE WAS CONFUSED AND DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. EVEN THOUGH YESTERDAY SHE TOLD US SHE REMEMBERS BRETT KAVANAUGH COVERING HER MOUTH SEARED INTO HER MEMORY, EXPRESSING FEAR THAT HE MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY KILL HER. SHE TOLD US DETAILS FROM 2012, 2013, 2016, AND 2017. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN MOMENT. IT IS A MORAL MOMENT. WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THIS VOTE TODAY. WE CAN CORRECT FROM THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST IN THIS NATION. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, MEN AND WOMEN, SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT WHO ARE WATCHING THIS BODY OF POWERFUL PEOPLE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THIS TOXIC CULTURE, THIS PERNICIOUS PATRIARCHY HAS TO STOP. IT IS REAL IN THIS COUNTRY. PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING. THERE WATCHING THIS BODY RIGHT NOW. CHILDREN ABUSED, WATCHING WHAT PEOPLE SWEEP IT ASIDE, DENY, ATTACK. PEOPLE IN CORPORATIONS OR NEWS MEDIA OUTLETS WHO ARE ABUSED AND HARASSED FOR YEARS AND THEIR TESTIMONY, THEIR TRUTH WAS SWEPT ASIDE, BELITTLED. THEY WERE VILIFIED. THEY WERE FOLLOWED BY INVESTIGATORS. MILLIONS ARE WATCHING THIS BODY AND HOW WE ACT. WILL WE BRUSH ASIDE A CREDIBLE WITNESS TESTIMONY? WILL WE BELITTLE AND ATTACK CREDIBLE TESTIMONY? WILL WE IGNORE CREDIBLE TESTIMONY? WILL WE LISTEN? WILL WE BELIEVE? IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE DARK CORNERS OF THE CULTURE. THE CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL REPORTS ONE OUT OF EVERY THREE AMERICAN WOMEN, ONE OUT OF THREE, WILL EXPERIENCE SOME FORM OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE. ONE OUT OF SIX MEN. 60% OF THEM GO UNREPORTED. AND THERE ARE THOSE RIGHT NOW WATCHING THIS GROUP OF POWERFUL PEOPLE. HOW WILL WE DEAL WITH A PRIVILEGED MAN? A SEAT ON THE SUPREME COURT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE THE CAPTAIN OF YOUR BEST BALL TEAM, THIS IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW. WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THIS MAN IS GUILTY OF WHAT YOU SAID. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE KNOW ENOUGH NOW TO DELAY THIS? OR WE GOING TO RUSH TO PUT SOMEONE ON THE SUPREME COURT WITH THIS CLOUD HANGING OVER THEM? I CANNOT STOMACH THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE ARE GOING TO SAY TO WOMEN ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND TO MEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY — >>I THINK THAT QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED IS A GOOD PLACE TO STOP. >>I WILL STOP WITH THIS. I WILL STOP WITH THIS. WITH RESPECT FOR THIS COMMITTEE AND RESPECT FOR YOU, I CANNOT SIT HERE, I CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN WHAT IS GOING TO BE A DARK MOMENT AGAIN, THE SAME WAY WE LOOK AT THE ANITA HILL TRIALS. I CANNOT PARTICIPATE. I CONCLUDE MY REMARKS, WE SHOULD NOT BRUSH ASIDE HER COMMENTS. WE SHOULD NOT BELITTLE HER TESTIMONY. WHICH LISTEN TO HER. WE SHOULD LISTEN TO WOMEN. WE SHOULD THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE THIS BEFORE MOVING FORWARD. TO DO ANY OTHER THING IS TO DISS MINUTES — DIMINISH THE TRUTH. AND TO AGAIN, RELEGATE OURSELVES TO WHAT I BELIEVE IS A DARK, DARK ELEMENT OF SOCIETY. WITH THAT, I WILL LEAVE. >>SENATOR KENNEDY. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IN MY JUDGMENT, THERE WERE NO WINNERS IN THIS ROOM YESTERDAY. NONE. ALL I SAW WERE TWO PEOPLE — TWO HUMAN BEINGS IN PAIN. ALL OF US IN MY OPINION, INCLUDING DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAVE A BLINKERED PERSPECTIVE. WHATEVER HAPPENED, HAPPENED 40 YEARS AGO. AND THAT IS JUST A FACT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO DR. FORD. I DON’T KNOW IF WE WILL EVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO DR. FORD. I DO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING VERY, VERY, VERY BAD HAPPENED TO DR. FORD. AND I’M VERY SORRY. BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JUDGE BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS INVOLVED. AND THAT’S WHY I WILL SUPPORT HIS NOMINATION. LET ME TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I’M A LITTLE MORE CERTAIN OF, AND I WILL BE BRIEF, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS HAS BEEN, AS SOMEONE PUT IT IN AN ARTICLE THIS MORNING, A GROTESQUE CARNIVAL. IN MY OPINION, THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERGALACTIC FREAK SHOW. AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED, CONGRESS HAS HIT ROCK BOTTOM AND STARTED TO DIG. AND ALL OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED, EVERY BIT OF IT. THE OTHER THING I AM CERTAIN OF IS THAT THESE GAMES, THIS CHARACTER ASSASSINATION HAS DAMAGED DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND THEIR FAMILIES IRREPARABLY. AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. NOW, SENATOR FEINSTEIN TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER AND SHE IS RIGHT. HOW WE TREAT WOMEN IN AMERICA DOES MATTER. THIS IS NO COUNTRY FOR CREEPY OLD MEN. YOUNG MEN, MIDDLE-AGED MEN, — BUT THIS IS NO COUNTRY AT ALL IN MY OPINION, NOT THE KIND OF COUNTRY I WANT TO LIVE IN WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. BOTH THE ACCUSER AND THE ACCUSED IS ENTITLED TO RESPECT, AND FAIRNESS, AND YES, TO DUE PROCESS. TO THE PERSON WHO LEAKED DR. FORD’S LETTER, TO THE PERSON WHO BREACHED DR. FORD’S ANONYMITY, AND TO THE PERSON WHO DID NOT TELL HER SHE COULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS BY TESTIFYING PRIVATELY IN HER HOME IN CALIFORNIA, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE . YOU SHOULD BOW YOUR HEAD IN SHAME IN MY OPINION AND YOU SHOULD HANG — HIDE YOUR HEAD IN A BAG FOR EVERYDAY FOR THE REST OF YOUR NATURAL LIFE. AND YOU ALSO OUGHT TO READ SOMETHING. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD OR IF YOU READ THE BIBLE BUT THERE IS WISDOM IN A PASSAGE IF YOU READ THE BIBLE OR BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT. AND I WOULD REFERRED YOU TO MATTHEW 16. WHAT IS A PERSON PROFITED? FOR WHAT IS A PERSON PROFITED IF HE GAINS THE ENTIRE WORLD AND HE LOSES HIS SOUL? THANK, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>THESE TOTALLY — THE GAVEL. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>YOU YIELDED YOUR TIME. >>I YIELDED PART OF MY TIME TO SENATOR BOOKER. TO HAVE ANY LEFT? >>YOU MAY PROCEED. >>I WILL YIELD MY TIME TO HIM, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>I APPRECIATE THAT GRACIOUSNESS AND I HOPE IT IS A SIGN THAT WE WILL REBUILD ACROSS THE AISLE. YESTERDAY, THERE WERE WORDS SPOKEN AND WE KNOW IN FAMILIES THAT WORDS ARE SPOKEN IN ANGER AND SOMETIMES IN THE MOMENT THAT WE LATER WALKED BACK. THOSE WORDS YESTERDAY FROM MEMBERS ACROSS THE AISLE TO DECIDE — TO THIS SIDE WERE EXTRAORDINARY. I KNOW THEY WOULD SAY SOME OF OUR WORDS TO THEM MAY BE ON THE SAME LEVEL. BUT WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER, TRAVELED TOGETHER, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TOGETHER TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF WORKING TOGETHER, A DELAY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. I’M HERE TO MAKE A LAST APPEAL THAT WE AVOID THE RUSH TO JUDGMENT WITH GREAT RESPECT FOR YOUR POSITION. THE SESSION YESTERDAY WAS A JOB INTERVIEW AND IT IS A JOB INTERVIEW FOR A POSITION UNLIKE ANY OTHER. I HAVE TREMENDOUS REVERENCE FOR THE SUPREME COURT. I HAVE SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER IN THE COURTS AND MY BELIEVE IS THAT THIS DECISION ON HOW TO VOTE — AND I WILL VOTE NO, IS AMONG THE MOST IMPORTANT I WILL MAKE AS A UNITED STATES SENATOR. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DESERVES NOT JUST A GOOD NOMINEE BUT THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB. AND THE PERSON THAT WE SAW COME BEFORE US YESTERDAY WAS FILLED WITH SUCH RANCOR AND — SUCH ANGER, THAT I CANNOT ACCEPT THAT HE WOULD BE AN IMPARTIAL AND OBJECTIVE JUSTICE ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. TO DESCRIBE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE AS A LEFT-WING CONSPIRACY TO THREATEN UNITED STATES SENATORS, I SIMPLY CANNOT ACCEPT. WE ARE INTERVIEWING — OR WE WERE INTERVIEWING JUDGE KAVANAUGH FOR A POSITION THAT IS A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT TO THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND. HE CANNOT BE REMOVED EXCEPT THROUGH IMPEACHMENT. AND HE WILL BE THERE FOR DECADES TO COME. I MADE NO SECRET OF MY OPPOSITION TO HIM BASED ON HIS OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM VIEWS AND JUDICIAL PHILOSOPHY, HE IS APPARENT GOAL TO CHIP AWAY, IF NOT OVERTURN ROE V WADE AND THE GUARANTEES THAT ALLOW WOMEN TO DECIDE WHEN AND IF THEY BECOME PREGNANT AND HAVE CHILDREN, THE DECISION BY MILLIONS OF AMERICANS TO MARRY THE PERSON THEY LOVE, WORKERS RIGHTS, THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENT WHICH I THINK WOULD BECOME AN IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY IF HE BECOMES A JUSTICE ON THE SUPREME COURT. BUT YESTERDAY, MY OPPOSITION SOLIDIFIED BECAUSE OF TEMPERAMENT AND FITNESS WHICH I BELIEVE HE LACKS. BY VIRTUE OF THE SCREED THAT HE SAT HERE AND GAVE US HIS VIEWS STILL ARE DISQUALIFYING FOR ME BUT HIS CHARACTER AND FITNESS OUGHT TO BE A REASON FOR úEVERY WE SAW EYEWITNESS YESTERDAY OF AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER AND TEMPERAMENT. A WOMAN WHO TOLD US HER STORY IN STEADY, EVEN, HELPFUL TERMS. A STORY THAT WAS DEEPLY PAINFUL FOR HER. AND SHE HAS ENDURED THREATS AND PUBLIC ASSASSINATION , CHARACTER ASSASSINATION, PUBLIC SHAMING THAT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER. MY HEART GOES OUT TO HER AS WELL AS TO JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S FAMILIES — FAMILY. THESE COMMENTS HAVE NO THREAT IN — NO PLACE IN PUBLIC COURT — DISCORD. SHE HAS EVERY REASON TO REMAIN SILENT AND NO INCENTIVE PERSONALLY TO COME FORWARD EXCEPT TO DO A PUBLIC SERVICE FOR THE NASCENT DESIGNATION AS SHE STATED. HER STORY WAS POWERFUL, COMPELLING, PERSONAL. I BELIEVE HER. I HAVE TO DISBELIEVE AN ANGRY AND DEFIANT MEN WHOSE STORY SIMPLY DOES NOT HOLD UP. HE CLAIMED THAT THE FBI ALREADY INVESTIGATED HIM BECAUSE THEY DID A BACKGROUND CHECK SIX TIMES. THE FBI NEVER INVESTIGATED DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD’S ALLEGATIONS. IT NEVER INVESTIGATED JULIE SWETNICK’S ALLEGATIONS. THOSE ARE GAPS IN THE WORK THAT REMAIN TO BE DONE. IN FACT, THE ABA ISSUED A STATEMENT SUPPORTING AN FBI INVESTIGATION INTO JUDGE KAVANAUGH ACCORDING TO A COLLEAGUE. THE RATING IS THE GOLD STANDARD. THE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATORS MAY BE CONSCIENTIOUS AND DEDICATED BUT THEY ARE SIMPLY NO SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TRAINED PROFESSIONALS WITH THE EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE OF FBI AGENTS.KAVANAUGH REFUSED TO MAK THAT REQUEST. DR. BLASEY FORD DID SO. THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS HE HIDING, WHAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION CONCEALING, WHY HAVE WE NOT RECEIVED THOSE MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS THAT REMAIN HIDDEN? WHY HAS JUDGE KAVANAUGH NOT TAKEN A POLYGRAPH? HE SAYS THEY’RE NOT RELIABLE. AND THAT THE POLYGRAPH DR. FORD SUBJECTED HERSELF TO WAS MEANINGLESS. SHE PASSED IT. AS A JUDGE ON THE D.C. CIRCUIT, JUDGE KAVANAUGH RULED THAT THEY ARE IN FACT MEANINGFUL. HE WROTE, QUOTE, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES USE POLYGRAPHS TO TEST THE CREDIBILITY OF WITNESSES AND CRIMINAL DEFENDANTS, REFUSING TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS FAILED THAT TEST. JUDGE KAVANAUGH CLAIMED THAT ALL FOUR WITNESSES, DR. BLASEY FORD IDENTIFIED AS BEING PRESENT AT THE PARTY HAVE SAID THAT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT, QUOTE, DIDN’T HAPPEN. ONLY ONE PERSON HAS SAID THE SEXUAL ASSAULT DIDN’T HAPPEN, BRETT KAVANAUGH. DR. BLASEY FORD IDENTIFIED SAID THEY DO NOT REMEMBER THE INCIDENT. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. DO NOT RECALL IS A DIFFERENT STATEMENT THAN IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. AND THE OTHER WOMAN DOCTOR BLASEY FORD NAMED WHO WAS THERE HAS SINCE PUBLICLY STATED THAT SHE BELIEVES DR. BLASEY FORD’S ACCOUNT. JUDGE KAVANAUGH TRIED TO GIVE HIMSELF AN ALIBI, MAKING IT SOUND LIKE HE DIDN’T DRINK ON WEEKNIGHTS. HIS OWN HIGH SCHOOL CALENDAR WHICH HE PROVIDED THE COMMITTEE AS EVIDENCE CONTRADICTS THAT STATEMENT. DURING THE HEARING AND AN EXCHANGE WITH MY COLLEAGUE SENATOR BOOKER, JUDGE KAVANAUGH ADMITTED THAT ONE OF THE ENTRIES ON HIS CALENDAR FROM A THURSDAY SIGNIFIED THAT HE WENT TO A FRIEND’S HOUSE TO DRINK. HE SAID REPEATEDLY THAT HE NEVER IN HIS LIFE DRANK SO MUCH THAT HE COULDN’T REMEMBER. NUMEROUS PEOPLE WHO SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME WITH HIM DURING THE HEARING IN HIGH SCHOOL, DURING HIS HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE AND LAW SCHOOL YEARS CONFIRMED THAT HE FREQUENTLY DRANK TO EXCESS AND SOMETIMES BECAME BELLIGERENT. FINALLY, JUDGE KAVANAUGH CLAIMED THAT HE HAS ALWAYS TREATED WOMEN WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT, HIS WORDS, YET HE AND HIS HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS NAMED ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS RONATTA DAUPHIN IN THEIR YEARBOOK PAGE SAYING THEY WERE HER ALUM NEWS, REDUCING HER TO A SEXUAL CONQUEST. THAT IS NO WAY TO TREAT WOMEN WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT. IN FACT, SHE ATTESTED TO THE PAIN THAT IT HAS CAUSED HER. HE WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE THAT THESE BRAVE COURAGEOUS SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS HAVE COME FORWARD AS PART OF A VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY. HOW INSULTING TO THEM TO SAY THAT THEY ARE PAWNS OR PUPPETS OF US OR ANYONE ELSE. IN FACT, THEY ARE BRAVE COURAGEOUS INDEPENDENT WOMEN WHO HAVE STEPPED FORWARD. SO I WANT TO SAY IN CONCLUSION TO THE MEN OF AMERICA, FOR YOU I HOPE THIS WILL BE A TEACHING MOMENT NOT TOO DENTIGRATE ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN A SURVIVOR OF SEXUAL ASSAULT BUT TO LIFT THEM UP. I WANT TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD THE STORIES OF A NUMBER OF CONSTITUENTS OF MINE WHOSE PAIN, SADNESS, SHAME, SELF- DOUBT, GUILT, FEAR POWERFULLY ATTESTED TO IN THESE STATEMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. >>THEY ARE THE HEROS HERE. DR. BLASEY FORD IS A PROFILE IN COURAGE. AND I WANT TO SAY TO HER SONS, YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOUR MOTHER. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOUR MOM. SHE IS A PROFILE IN COURAGE, AND HER NAME WILL BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS LONG AFTER OURS ARE GONE. SHE WILL BE REMEMBERED AS SOMEONE WHO STEPPED FORWARD TRULY TO SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER. WE USE THAT PHRASE A LOT. SHE DID IT YESTERDAY, AND I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE DR. BLASEY FORD AND I HOPE THAT HER TWO SONS AND HER HUSBAND ARE AS PROUD OF HER AS WE SHOULD BE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND WITH THAT, I WILL POSE — OPPOSE THE NOMINEE AND I WILL STEP OUT. >>WE’LL STAND AT EASE UNTIL THE FALL OF THE GAVEL. >>WE’VE BEEN WATCHING THE ACTION ON CAPITOL HILL. WE SEE THERE SENATOR GRASSLEY. I WANT TO BRING IN CBS NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT ED O’KEEFE. HE JOIN US NOW FROM CAPITOL HILL. ED, I TOOK THE KIDS TO THE BUS STOP THIS MORNING AND A MOM STOPPED ME TO SAY WHY ARE ALL THERE THESE VOTES TO HAVE A VOTE ON THE VOTE FOR KAVANAUGH. CAN YOU SORT OF EXPLAIN AND WALK US THROUGH THE NEXT FEW DAYS AND PARTICULARLY THIS 1:30 VOTE WE’RE EXPECTING, ED, WHAT IS IT? WHAT IF THE DEMOCRATS DON’T SHOW UP? >>REPORTER: YOU KNOW, THE NICE THING ABOUT THESE MOMENTS, REENA, IS IT REMINDS EVERYONE OF EXACTLY HOW THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK. WHAT WE HAVE HERE AT 1:30 IS A VOTE OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ON THE KAVANAUGH NOMINATION ITSELF. YOU GOT 11 REPUBLICAN, 10 DEMOCRATS. I PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE CHEAT SHEET FOR MYSELF. FOLKS AT HOME MIGHT WANT TO GOOGLE THEIR NAMES AND WRITE THEM ALL OFF AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK THEM OFF AS THEY GO HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. ONCE THAT VOTE HAPPENS AND HE IS REPORTED OUT OF THE COMMITTEE FAVORABLY, WE EXWK THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO START IN THE FULL — WE EXPECT THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO START IN THE FULL SENATE TOMORROW MORNING. THEY’LL HOLD A VOTE TO LAUNCH FULL SENATE DEBATE ON THE NOMINATION. THERE’LL BE ANOTHER PROCEDURAL VOTE AT SOME POINT ON MONDAY, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE ACTUAL FINAL CONFIRMATION VOTE WOULD OCCUR ON TUESDAY. A FEW THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND. IF FOR SOME REASON HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES IT ENDS UP BEING THAT A MINORITY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS VOTE FOR KAVANAUGH INSTEAD OF THE MAJORITY, IT STILL GETS REFERRED TO THE FULL SENATE, AND IT’S UP TO THE SENATE LEADER TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO HOLD THAT VOTE AND STILL CONSIDER THE NOMINATION. IT’S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. IT’LL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, AND MITCH McCONNELL HAS SAID THAT WIN OR LOSE IN THE COMMITTEE, HE’S BRINGING THE NOMINATION TO THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE. WE’RE STILL AT THIS POINT WAITING ON THE FATE OF ABOUT WE THINK ONLY FOUR SENATORS ACROSS THE 100-MEMBER BODY. SUSAN COLLINS OF MAINE, THE REPUBLICAN, LISA MURKOWSKI, REPUBLICAN OF ALASKA, JOE MANCHIN OF WEST VIRGINIA AND HEIDI HEITKAMP DEMOCRAT OF NORTH DAKOTA. AT THIS POINT THEY’RE REALLY THE ONLY FOUR WHO HAVEN’T SAID WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO. WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE STILL MULLING THAT DECISION AND BASICALLY THEY’VE GOTTA SHOW THEIR CARDS BY SATURDAY MORNING WHEN THAT FIRST PROCEDURAL VOTE HAPPENS. AND AT THAT POINT IT ESSENTIALLY GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW THE VOTE WOULD GO ON TUESDAY AND WE START TO LOSE SOME OF THE DRAMA AND THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND ALL THIS. SO IT’S THE NEXT FEW MINUTES HERE WHERE WE NOW ANTICIPATE IT WILL BE AN 11-10 VOTE WHERE — AND THAT ESSENTIALLY THEN BEGINS THE FORMAL PROCESS OF TAKING IT TO THE FULL SENATE. >>AND, ED, I HEARD SENATOR McCONNELL SAY THAT EVEN IF THEY DON’T VOTE THIS OUT OF COMMITTEE IN JUDICIARY, HE’S STILL GOING TO TAKE IT UP IN THE SENATE, IS THAT — IS WHAT I’M HEARING ACCURATE, AND CAN HE DO THAT? >>REPORTER: YES. YES. AS SENATE LEADER HE HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. HE HAS THE ABILITY TO OVERRIDE COMMITTEES AND BRING ANYTHING HE WANTS TO THE FLOOR. THAT’S THE AWESOME OF POWER THAT WHOEVER IS SENATE LEADER HAS. IT’S BEEN ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS OF THE SENATE IN RECENT YEARS UNDER DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN CONTROL THAT THE LEADERS CAN BASICALLY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND BYPASS THE COMMITTEES WHICH TRADITIONALLY HAVE HELD MUCH MORE POWER IN ULTIMATELY DECIDING WHAT GETS DECIDED BY THE FULL SENATE. >>YOU’RE SO RIGHT, ED, ABOUT THESE PROCEDURES. IT GIVES US A WINDOW INTO EXACTLY HOW CONGRESS RUNS. WE SEE HERE SUSAN COLLINS AND SENATOR MURKOWSKI, EXACTLY WAITING TO SEE WHAT THESE POTENTIAL SWING VOTERS, WHERE THEY MIGHT TURN. ED, I WANT TO THANK YOU. WE’LL CHECK IN WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THE AFTERNOON AS HE’S GOT THE LATEST. >>> I WANT TO BRING IN NOW CBS NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT WEIJIA JIANG. WEIJIA, WHAT’S BEEN ABOUT THE IMPENDING VOTE ON KAVANAUGH? >>REPORTER: WE DID HEAR FROM THE OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON FROM THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAS BEEN TALKING TO REPORTERS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING ABOUT THIS CONFIRMATION PROCESS AND THAT IS RAJ SHAH. HE SPOKE THIS MORNING RIGHT HERE ON THE NORTH LAWN OF THE WHITE HOUSE. AND HE SAID HE’S VERY CONFIDENT. HE HASN’T BEEN GIVEN ANY ASSURANCES FROM ALL THE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE A VOTE IN THIS, BUT HE BELIEVES THAT ULTIMATELY KAVANAUGH WILL BE CONFIRMED. SO THE MOOD HERE IS VERY UPBEAT. OFFICIALS I THINK WERE BREATHING A COLLECTIVE SIGH OF RELIEF AFTER THEY WERE ABLE TO HEAR KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY BECAUSE THERE WAS ONE POINT THAT I THINK THEY WERE SHAKEN AFTER JUST HEARING FROM DR. FORD. OFFICIALS SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFFERS WERE WORRIED, FRANKLY, BECAUSE HER TESTIMONY WAS ALSO SO POWERFUL AND COMPELLING AND THEY WERE NOT SURE WHAT THEY WOULD GET FROM JUDGE KAVANAUGH BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE SAW HIM ANSWERING QUESTIONS WAS DURING A NEWS INTERVIEW, AND IT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT KAVANAUGH. HE WAS SUBDUED, HE WAS ALMOST ROBOTIC, AND HE RECEIVED CRITICISM FROM THAT OFFICIALS SAY FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT VALUES PERFORMANCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN CAMERAS ARE ROLLING AND I THINK THAT HE BELIEVES THAT KAVANAUGH IN THAT INTERVIEW COULD HAVE DONE BETTER AND HE CERTAINLY DELIVERED YESTERDAY BEFORE THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. SO I THINK THERE’S AN OVERWHELMING SENSE OF RELIEF AND OPTIMISM HERE AS THEY WAIT FOR THESE VOTES TO COME THROUGH. >>ALL RIGHT. WEIJIA JIANG. WEIJIA, WE WILL CHECK BACK IN WITH YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. >>>I WANT TO BRING IN OUR PANEL HERE. JOINING ME ON SET CAITLIN HUEY BURNS, A CBSN POLITICAL REPORT HE, NIALL STANAGE, A WHITE HOUSE COLUMNIST FOR THE HILL, LESLIE SANCHEZ, A CBSN CONTRIBUTOR AND REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND JOEL PAYNE WHO IS A DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST. OKAY, CAITLIN, I WANT TO START WITH YOU FIRST OFF. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING AND WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU AS WE’RE WAITING ON THESE VOTE? >>WELL, I THINK JEFF FLAKE COMING OUT THIS MORNING AND SAYING HE WILL VOTE TO CONFIRM KAVANAUGH I THINK REALLY CHANGED THE GAME IN TERMS OF OUR EXPECT ALLEGATIONS FOR THIS [ NO AUDIO ] REALLY NOT EXPLAINING WHERE HE WAS ON THIS VOTE. YESTERDAY PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SAYING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LAMENTING THE WHOLE PROCESS AND ALSO RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BELIEVABILITY AND WHO COMES — WHO TO BELIEVE. HE WASN’T QUITE SURE HE HAD THE ANSWERS. MORNING HE KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. SO SAYING THAT THERE’S AS MUCH DOUBT AS CERTAINTY AS IT PERTAINS TO KAVANAUGH. SO IN FACT IF THE COMMITTEE DOES VOTE AS WE’RE EXPECTING AT 2:00 TO CONFIRM KAVANAUGH, THAT CERTAINLY GIVES HIM MOMENTUM, AND REPUBLICANS ARE ALREADY FEELING MOMENTUM AFTER YESTERDAY. THE KEY IS THE TIMING AND GETTING THIS DONE QUICKLY SO THAT THERE ISN’T ROOM FOR MORE POLLING, MORE REACTION FROM THE PUBLIC. THERE ARE THINGS THAT COULD INFLUENCE VOTES. >>NIALL, CAITLIN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN MOMENTUM, BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO CREATE THEIR OWN MOMENTUM LED BY KAMALA HARRIS. DO WE KNOW THOSE MODERATE RED STATE DEMOCRAT, DO WE KNOW HOW THEY’RE VOTING AT THIS POINT? >>WE DO IN A COUPLE OF CASES. AND THIS ACTUALLY BUILDS ON THE POINT THAT CAITLIN WAS MAKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE WE’RE SEEING PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN EXPECTED TO BUCK THE PARTY LINE, NOT DOING SO. JOE DONNELLY IN INDIANA PARTICULARLY IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT. HE’S GOING TO VOTE AGAINST KAVANAUGH. I WAS SPEAKING WITH A REPUBLICAN SOURCE LAST NIGHT HOFF HAVING HEARD JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY BELIEVED A COUPLE OF RED STATE DEMOCRATS COULD BE FLIPPED ONTO THE REPUBLICAN SIDE. THAT SOURCE WAS CLEARLY IMPLYING THAT DONNELLY COULD BE ONE OF THEM. HE’S NOT GOING TO BE. SO I THINK THAT SHOWS THAT WE’RE REALLY GOING BACK TO MORE PREDICTABLE LINES FOR THE MOST PART, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE THE FOUR SENATORS, TWO ON EACH SIDE WHO ED MENTIONED, AND THAT’S WHERE ALL THE ATTENTION IS GOING TO GO WHEN IT COMES TO A FULL SENATE VOTE. >>LESLIE, WHAT DO REPUBLICANS HAVE TO GAIN AT THIS POINT BY GETTING THIS THROUGH RIGHT AWAY? >>SURE. IT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT CAMPAIGN PROMISE FOR THE PRESIDENT, AND YOU HAVE MANY FOLKS ESPECIALLY IN THE RED STATES WHO FEEL THAT THIS IS REALLY THE NOMINEE, THE RIGHT NOMINEE FOR THE SUPREME COURT, AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT ELSE IS SAID, LIKE SHE SAID, HE SAID, THAT THEY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT HE’S THE RIGHT CHOICE. AND THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS THAT HAVE THIS CONFLICT OF CONSCIENCES, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DO FEEL THAT DR. FORD WAS VERY SYMPATHIZING CANDIDATE, VERY TRUTHFUL, AND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THERE, BUT THEY’RE NOT WILLING TO GIVE A LOT OF DAYLIGHT BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THE PRESIDENT WANTS THIS DONE, THERE’S MOMENTUM BEHIND THE CANDIDATE AND THEY REALLY HAVE TO PUSH IT THROUGH. I JUST WONDER THE CONSEQUENCE AFTER THE MIDTERMS. >>WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU’RE WORRIED ABOUT? >>PARTICULARLY I THINK WOMEN. THERE’S NOT AN EASY SOLUTION. THERE’S A LOT OF LAYERS TO THIS. WHILE I SEE A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES ESPECIALLY IN RED STATES, THEY FEEL THAT SOMETHING DID HAPPEN TO DR. FORD BUT IT’S MISTAKEN IDENTITY. I THINK IT’S JUST THIS WAY OF RECONCILING A VERY DIFFICULT, TRAUMATIC SITUATION IN A WAY THAT’S DIGESTIBLE, BUT I DON’T THINK IT’S THAT EASY. AND DOI THINK THE CONVERSATION IS GOING — AND I DO THINK THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO CONTINUE, THE LEGITIMACY OF A PARTISAN NOOM KNEE, THAT’S GOING TO CONTINUE AS WELL. >>I THINK CAITLIN WHO SAID THIS WAS A CAMPAIGN PROMISE THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT. HE’S TRYING TO FULFILL THESE PROMISES. HOW DO YOU THINK THIS — WHETHER KAVANAUGH GETS THROUGH OR NOT, HOW IS IT GOING TO AFFECT 2020? >>WELL, THIS IS INTERESTING. SO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS ON THE PANEL, RIGHT? THINK ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS, CORY BOOKER, SOME OF THE MORE OUTSPOKEN FOLKS. WHEN THE DEMOCRATS WALKED OUT EARLIER, LOOK AT THE ONES WHO ARE STAYED, THEY ARE THE INSTITUTIONALISTS, THE DICK DURBINS, THE PAT LEAHYS, THE DIANNE FEINSTEINS, THOSE WHO REALLY DON’T HAVE A FUTURE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THOSE WHO DO, DICK BLUMENTHAL, MAZIE HIRONO, BOOKER, HARRIS, THEY NEEDED TO SHOW THE BASE THAT THEY HAD SPINE, AND THAT REALLY IS KIND OF THE WORD OF THE DAY FOR ME FOR DEMOCRATS IS SPINE. DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH STEEL IN THEIR SPINE TO SHOW THAT THEY’RE GOING TO RESIST, BECAUSE IT’S NOT ENOUGH JUST TO SAY I DISAGREE WITH THIS NOMINATION, I’M AGAINST IT, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU’RE ACTIVELY GOING TO RESIST THIS PRESIDENT. THAT’S WHAT THE BASE IS EXPECTING. >>YOU KNOW, NIALL, ONE THING I KEEP HEARING OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM REPUBLICANS, AND PARTICULARLY FEMALE REPUBLICANS I’VE SPOKEN TO, THEY COULD BRING THIS UP WAY EARLIER, WHY DID THEY PULL THESE DIRTY POLITICAL TRICKS AND TRY TO BRING THIS UP AT THE LAST MINUTE ON THE 11th HOUR? >>THAT IS DEFINITELY AN ARGUMENT WE’RE HEARING ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE A LOT. I THINK IT’S CLEARLY IN THE REPUBLICAN INTEREST TO SUGGEST THAT THIS IS ALL POLITICAL — THE MORE POLITICIZED IT IS, THE BETTER IT IS FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH’S CHANCES OF CONFIRMATION. BUT JUST TO PICK UP ON LESLIE’S POINT, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE’RE ALL IN THE INSTANT REACTION BUSINESS, BUT YESTERDAY’S TESTIMONY WAS SO POWERFUL THAT I THINK WE’RE ONLY REALLY BEGINNING TO WORK THROUGH THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT WHICH COULD BE SEEN CERTAINLY IN THE MIDTERMS BUT ALSO BEYOND THAT. IF REPUBLICANS ARE PERCEIVED TO BE DISMISSIVE OF A WOMAN WHO DID BRING FORTH VERY CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS. >>YOU COULD ALMOST POINT TO — SO 2016 WAS A TURNING POINT FOR A LOT OF WOMEN TO SAY, OH, WE WANT TO GET INVOLVED, WE DON’T LIKE THIS, KIND OF THE COARSING OF THE CULTURE AND A LOT OF THE SEXISM THEY FELT, SEXIST COMMENTS. MORE DEMOCRATIC WOMEN THAN REPUBLICAN, BUT MORE WOMEN ARE RUNNING IN 2018. THERE IS A DIRECT CAUSE EFFECT THAT YOU SEE. AND I THINK WITH YOUNGER WOMEN OR MILLENNIAL WOMEN, WOMEN THAT ARE GETTING ENGAGED, IT’S NOT AN EASY CHOICE ANYMORE. IT’S REALLY — YOU KNOW, THAT’S WHY SENATOR FLAKE AND SOME OF THESE OTHERS ARE HAVING SUCH A DIFFICULT TIME NOW IN THIS NEW POPULIST REPUBLICAN PARTY, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT IS REALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO? AND I THINK THERE ARE MANY WOMEN THAT FEEL THEY WANT TO KNOW MORE AND RUSHING THIS THROUGH WHICH IS A SLEUD POLITICAL MOVE IS — SHREWD POLITICAL MOVE, IT’S ADVAN TEENAGOUS TO THE PARTY. BUT WHERE DO WE GO AFTER THAT? >>IT’S FUNNY. WHEN JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS PICKED INSTEAD OF AMY CONEY BARRETT, EVERYBODY SAID, OH, I THINK THE PRESIDENT DECIDED TO STAY OUT OF A CULTURE WAR. IF YOU PICK CONEY BARRETT, THAT’S A CULTURAL WAR THAT HE’S DOING TO RIAL UP HIS BASE. THIS HAS TURNED INTO A CULTURE WAR. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER. THINK ABOUT THE INSIDE TALK OF WHAT IT’S LIKE AT SOME OF THESE PREP SCHOOLS, THESE CLUBBY TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND LOOK AT THE REACTION OF FOLKS LIKE LINDSAY GRAHAM, RIGHT? IT FEELS VERY EXCLUSIVE AND IT DOESN’T FEEL VERY INCLUSIVE. THIS IS NOT A FACE TO AMERICA THAT SHOWS THAT THERE’S A LOT OF INCLUSIVITY. IT FEELS LIKE, AGAIN, THIS IS A CULTURE WAR LIKE WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON. IT FEELS LIKE THIS CAME UP HERE UNEXPECTEDLY. >>THAT WAS CERTAINLY A MOMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR WOMEN. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. CAITLIN, AT THIS POINT DEMOCRATS HAVE TRIED MANY THINGS. THEY DON’T HAVE THE NUMBERS, THEY DON’T HAVE THE VOTING POWER, IS THERE ANYTHING THEY CAN DO AT THIS POINT TO KEEP KAVANAUGH OFF THE COURT? >>WELL, RIGHT NOW THEY’RE TRYING TO APPLY PLEASURE NOT ONLY TO KEEP THEIR OWN CAUCUS TOGETHER, BUT TO APPLY PRESSURE ON LISA MURKOWSKI OF ALASKA AND SUSAN COLLINS OF MAINE. WE’VE SEEN THAT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IN TERMS OF THE ADVERTISING DOLLARS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AT THOSE TWO SENATORS. SO RIGHT NOW THEY’RE TRYING TO CREATE MOMENTUM TO PUT THE PLEASURE ON THOSE TWO SENATORS WHO HAVE BEEN SWING VOTES IN SOME CASES, HEALTHCARE WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. THAT’S WHAT THEY COULD DO. IF IN FACT MURKOWSKI AND COLLINS AND THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE STAY TOGETHER AND PERHAPS PULL OFF SOMEONE LIKE A JOE MANCHIN WHO IS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION IN A STATE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS OVERWHELMINGLY POPULAR, THAT COULD INCENTIVIZE DEMOCRATS TO REALLY REV IT UP IN NOVEMBER AND SAY — START TO KIND OF USE THE SUPREME COURT AND JUDICIAL NOMINATIONS AS AN ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE THE WAY THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. >>AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LEAVING IT UP TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS OR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. TODAY WE ACTUALLY SAW SOME PROTESTERS IN AN ELEVATOR CONFRONTING SENATOR JEFF FLAKE AFTER HE ANNOUNCED HE WOULD VOTE YES. >>I TOLD IT BECAUSE I RECOGNIZED DR. FORD’S STORY THAT SHE’S TELLING THE TRUTH. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ALLOWING SOMEONE [ INAUDIBLE ] TO SIT IN THE SUPREME COURT. THIS IS HORRIBLE. YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN YOUR FAMILY. THINK ABOUT THEM. I HAVE TWO CHILDREN. [ [ INDISCERNABLE ] WHAT ARE YOU DOING, SIR? >>I DIDN’T TELL ANYONE AND YOU’RE TELLING ALL WOMEN THAT THEY DON’T MATTER, THAT THEY SHOULD JUST STAY QUIET BECAUSE IF THEY TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM, YOU’RE GOING TO IGNORE THEM. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENED TO ME AND THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ALL WOMEN IN AMERICA. >>THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ALL WOMEN IN AMERICA. NEW ZEALAND IALL, AT THIS POINT DO — NIALL, AT THIS POINT DO WE KNOW WHAT PLAYED INTO JEFF FLAKE ANNOUNCING HE’S GOING TO VOTE YES? >>I DON’T THINK WE CAN LOOK INSIDE OF HIS HEAD. I THINK JEFF FLAKE HAS BEEN SOMEONE THAT’S OBVIOUSLY BEEN VERBALLY CRITICAL OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT THOSE ON THE LEFT SAID HE HAS NOT QUITE WALKED THE WALK THE WAY HE’S TALKED THE TALK. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT FOOTAGE YOU SHOWED WAS VERY EMOTIONALLY POWERFUL. WHERE JEFF FLAKE IS CONTESTING RE-ELECTION AGAIN, THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC, BUT HE’S NOT. I THINK THE FACT HE’S LEAVING THE SENATE MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SURPRISING TO SOME PEOPLE THAT HE HAS CHOSEN TO VOTE THE WAY HE HAS. HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE ESSENTIALLY POLITICALLY SPEAKING. >>LESLIE, WALK US THROUGH THE POLITICS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT THIS POINT WHETHER YOU VOTE YES OR WHETHER YOU VOTE NO. >>WHEN YOU VOTE YES — THE ONE THING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THERE USED TO BE KIND OF THIS WHISPER ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, AND HE’S TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, THE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE THE SWAMP IN WASHINGTON THAT ARE AGAINST HIM, BUT AS HE CONTINUES TO WIN, GAINS MOMENTUM AND HE IN THE MIDTERMS WHERE YOU EXPECT A LARGE LOSS TRADITIONAL FIRST-TERM PRESIDENT, IT MAY ONLY BE FIVE OR SIX WHEN IT ALL SHAKES OUT. THE PRESIDENT HAS MANAGED TO HOLD THE LINE, SO THAT WHISPER — THAT ROAR, EXCUSE ME, THE ROAR AGAINST THE PRESIDENT HAS NOW BECOME A WHISPER. SO THE PRESIDENT HAS THE MOMENTUM, THEY REALIZE THAT THIS IS ABOUT VOTES AND KIND OF THEIR OWN POLITICAL SKIN. THAT’S THE CALCULATION THAT’S HAPPENING HERE. BUT, AGAIN, WHAT WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THIS IS MORE NUANCED THAN THAT. WHAT ARE WE SEEING AS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WHAT DO WE FUNDAMENTALLY BELIEVE IN AT ANY COST? AND I THINK THE IRONY HERE, AS YOU SEE ALL THIS EMOTION, AND THEY’RE SAYING IF — THE EMOTION AROUND THESE WOMEN WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE CHARGES, BUT IT’S THE REPUBLICAN MEN RIGHT NOW WHO HAVE SO MUCH EMOTION, NOT ONLY WITH KAVANAUGH, BUT LINDSAY GRAHAM AND SOME OF THESE OTHERS. SO I THINK WE’RE JUST LOST IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE, WIN AT ALL COST, BUT THE FUTURE RAMIFICATIONS ARE UNKNOWN. >>I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU — YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF IMPASSIONED ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES. SENATOR DIANE DIANNE FEINSTEIN HAD THIS TO SAY ACTUALLY ABOUT JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S BEHAVIOR DURING THE HEARING YESTERDAY. >>THIS WAS NOT SOMEONE WHO REFLECTED AN IMPARTIAL TEMPERAMENT OR THE FAIRNESS AND EVENHANDEDNESS ONE WOULD SEE IN A JUDGE. THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS AGGRESSIVE AND BELLIGERENT. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE ELEVATED TO THE HIGHEST COURT IN OUR COUNTRY BEHAVE IN THAT MANNER. >>SENATOR KLOBUCHAR ACTUALLY TOLD “CBS THIS MORNING” THAT IF SHE HAD ACTED THE WAY KAVANAUGH DID IN THE COURTROOM, SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT AT THIS POINT. JOEL, IS THIS JUST A DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINT ABOUT TEMPERAMENT? >>NO. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, I THINK THAT KAVANAUGH MAY HAVE WON THE BATTLE FOR SAVING HIS SKIN FOR THE DAY IN TERMS OF THE BELIEVABILITY. BUT I THINK HE LOST THE WAR. I DON’T THINK HE SHOWED HIMSELF TO HAVE THE TEMPERAMENT TO BE A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. AGAIN, I BROUGHT THIS UP. IF YOU’RE A GROUP THAT’S PROGRESSIVE OR THAT’S, QUOTE, LEFT WING AND YOU’RE COMING FOR THE COURT, IF YOU’RE A PLANNED PARENTHOOD, IF YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY FALLS ON THE LEFT SIDE, I MEAN, THIS IS AN IDEA LOG, A SERIOUS IDEALOGUE, NOT JUST IN THE ABSTRACT, THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS A POLITICAL OPERATIVE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHO’S NOW GOING TO BE ON THE SUPREME COURT IT SEEMS LIKE. SO I THINK THAT’S GOTTA BE REALLY TROUBLING. ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION HERE, YOU KNOW, WE’RE THINKING ABOUT WHO’S VOTING AND HOW PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT VOTING. IF YOU’RE JOE MANCHIN, OKAY, JUST READING THE TEA LEAVES, IT ACTUALLY WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR YOU IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE A NO VOTE ON KAVANAUGH TO DO IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, KIND OF DO WHAT JOE DONNELLY DID A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TODAY, NOT BE THE LAST ONE OUT. IT’S KIND OF LIKE THE GAME OF HOT POTATO, WHO’S LEFT HOLDING THE BAG AT THE END. YOU DON’T WANT TO BE LEFT. SO THAT TELLS ME A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT MAYBE WHAT MANCHIN IS THINKING WITH NO INFORMATION TO WORK OFF OF. IF YOU DIDN’T WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, BOXED IN AS THE LAST PERSON, THE PERSON WHO’S REALLY IN THE TARGET ZONE, YOU’D PROBABLY WANT TO ANNOUNCE YOUR DECISION A LITTLE EARLIER. THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT JOE MAN DLIP CHIN MIGHT BE THINK — MANCHIN MIGHT BE THINKING. >>I KNOW SOME OF THIS IS SUSPENSE AND THEE AT RICKS AND DRAMA AND COO BOOKIE BOOKIE KA BOOKIE THEATER. DON’T YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW? >>I DON’T THINK THERE IS ON THE PART OF MAPCHIN AND COLLINS AND MUR — MANCHIN, COLLINS AND MURKOWSKI. WE’RE HEARING REPORTS THAT COLLINS AND MURKOWSKI ARE DISCUSSING MOVING TOGETHER PERHAPS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THAT WILL BE FASCINATING IF IT HAPPENS YES IT IS — YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE CLEAR ENOUGH BY NOW, BUT I THINK THERE’S GENUINE SUSPENSE AND GENUINE UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THIS VOTE STILL. >>I WANT TO CHING IN — CHECK IN WITH ANGELICA ALVAREZ. WHAT’S THE LATEST THERE? >>REPORTER: HI, YES. WE ARE WAITING ON THAT VOTE, IT SHOULD BE COMING AT 1:30. IN THE MEANTIME, WE’VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND HEARING FROM BOTH SIDES, A LOT OF PASSION ARGUMENTS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, REPUBLICANS WE HEARD YESTERDAY, SIMPLY ANGRY ABOUT THE PROCESS ACCORDING TO THEM. IN THEIR OPINION THEY FEEL THE DEMOCRATS HAVE REALLY MISTREATED JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND EVEN DR. FORD. WE’RE ALSO HEARING ANGER FROM THE DEMOCRATS’ SIDE. THEY ARE UPSET THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET THE F.B.I. INVESTIGATION, THEY’VE ASKED FOR IT REPEATEDLY AND THEY HAVE ALSO SAID THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SWAY REPUBLICANS TO DELAY THE VOTE. >>ALL RIGHT, ANGELICA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. I WANT TO TURN BACK NOW TO OUR PANEL. LESLIE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS, I THINK THERE WAS A COOK REPORT LAST WEEK, THERE’S CONCERN THAT PARTICULARLY THE HISPANIC VOTING BLOCK MIGHT NOT COME OUT TO VOTE IN MIDTERMS WHICH I HAVE TO SAY I WAS SURPRISED. IF THERE’S ONE SECTOR OF THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS A LOT TO LOSE, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THIS GROUP. SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISPANIC VOTERS AND WHO DO YOU THINK IN PARTICULAR IF KAVANAUGH DOES MAKE IT ONTO THE COURT, WHO DOES THIS MOBILIZE MORE? >>THE INTERESTING PART, WE HAVE WANTED FOR GENERATIONS FOR LATINOS OR ANY MINORITY GROUP TO REALLY BE GALVANIZED AND VOTE TO THEIR NUMBERS, TO THEIR POLITICAL POWER, BUT THEY DON’T. BUT THE ISSUE WITH LATINOS IS THEY TEND TO TURN OUT MORE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS THAN MIDTERMS BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY WITH THE PERSON WHO’S AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET, NOT THE PARTY. WE DID A LOTZ OF POLLING FOR YEARS AND IF YOU SAY YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW, JUST THE REFERENCES, THE ELEPHANT AND THE DONKEY, WHICH IS WHICH, YOU HAVE A LOT OF NEW VOTERS WHO DON’T NASAILY KNOW. SO THE STEREOTYPES THAT THE PARTIES FALL INTO, IT’S NOT AN EASY LINE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COMMUNITIES OF COLOR OR NEWER IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. BUT ON THE ISSUE THAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER IT IS THE RAIDS, WHETHER IT IS THE DREAMERS, WHETHER IT’S BUILDING THE WALL, THERE’S CERTAINLY A LOT OF CONVERSATION. I THINK WHAT’S INTERESTING IS YOU HAVE MORE CANDIDATES RUNNING. THE POLITICAL POWER, WHETHER IT’S GENDER OR ETHNIC IT’S ACTUALLY WHEN PEOPLE RUN AND GAL SLP VANNIZE, NOT WHEN THEY VOTE BECAUSE THEY DON’T TURN OUT, BUT WHEN THEY DECIDE TO THROW THEIR HAND IN THE RING AND RUN AND RAISE MONEY AROUND THAT, THAT’S WHEN THAT STARTS TO BECOME SO INTERESTING. >>CAITLIN, THERE’S ALWAYS BEEN A CONCERN THAT DEMOCRATS AREN’T ABLE TO GET THE VOTE OUT, ESPECIALLY MIDTERMS, IT’S ALL ABOUT TURNOUT. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHAT ARE THEY MOST CONCERNED ABOUT RIGHT NOW? >>WELL, CERTAINLY THE PRIMARY SHOWED AN INTENSE LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM AMONG DEMOCRATIC VOTERS WHICH IS REMARKABLE FOR A PRIMARY AND ALSO MIDTERM ELECTIONS, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW REPUBLICANS TEND TO TURN OUT IN HIGHER NUMBERS THAN DEMOCRATS JUST IN TERMS OF THEIR VOTING BASE MORE OLDER VOTERS TEND TO BE MORE RELIABLE IN TURNING OUT. THE BIG QUESTION I HAVE IS THERE A CEILING FOR DEMOCRATIC ENTHUSISM, IN OTHER WORDS, CAN THEY BE MORE MOBILIZED AND ENERGIZED THAN THEY ALREADY ARE. AND SOME DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS SAY THAT THE SUPREME COURT COULD START TO BECOME SOMETHING THAT REALLY MOTIVATES PEOPLE, KIND OF CRYSTALLIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF SHOWING UP TO VOTE. SO NOT ONLY EXPRESSING ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM AND SAYING YOU’RE GOING TO VOTE, BUT ACTUALLY TURNING OUT TO VOTE. THERE’S ALSO THE ISSUE OF COMPLACENCY, RIGHT? WE SAW THAT A LITTLE BIT LEADING INTO 2016 WHERE DEMOCRATS WERE LOOKING AT THE NATIONAL POLLS AND SEEING CLINTON AHEAD AND THERE WASN’T THE TURNOUT THAT SHE NEEDED TO WIN THE ELECTION. THERE IS SOME CONCERN THAT DEMOCRATS WON’T TURN OUT AT THE LEVEL THAT THEY’RE EXPRESSING NOW. SO IT’S TRYING TO KEEP YOUR BASE REVVED UP BUT ALSO TO GET THEM OUT TO ACTUALLY VOTE. OF COURSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CORE CONSTITUENCIES THAT WE’RE LOOKING AT AND WOMEN, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN THE SUBURBS, IN THESE DISTRICTS THAT COULD DECIDE CONTROL OF CONGRESS HOW THEY WILL REACT TO KAVANAUGH, WHETHER THEY REACT TO IT INDIVIDUALLY OR TAKE IT IN THE AGGREGATE, I THINK THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND WOMEN AS WE KNOW ARE NOT A MONOLITHIC GROUP, SO YOU’VE HAD SOME — TRUMP LIKES TO SAY HE WON WOMEN VOTERS, THAT’S NOT TRUE, BUT HE WON A MAJORITY OF WHITE WOMEN VOTERS, SO THEY MIGHT REACT TO KAVANAUGH DIFFERENTLY. THEN YOU HAVE WOMEN LIVING IN OTHER AREAS OR — IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW THEY’RE KIND OF DIGESTING AND ABSORBING THIS WHICH, AGAIN, SPEAKS TO THE TIMELINE WHY REPUBLICANS WANT TO GET THIS OUT NOW. >>SPEAKING OF TIMELINE, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE YOU’RE WATCHING RIGHT HERE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ANY MOMENT NOW WE ARE THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO VOTE TO VOTE ON SUPREME COURT NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH. IT’S A VOTE TO GET IT TO THE VOTE TO GET IT TO THE VOTE. DID I GET THAT RIGHT, GUYS? >>YOU MISSED ONE VOTE MAYBE. >>I MISSED ONE VOTE. SO THEY’RE GOING TO VOTE THIS OUT OF COMMITTEE, AND THEN TOMORROW WE ARE EXPECTING POTENTIALLY THIS WILL GO TO THE SENATE. A LOT CAN HAPPEN AS WE HAVE DISCOVERED IN JUST ONE DAY. WE ARE EXPECTING 1:30, THOUGH, THIS IS WHEN THE VOTE IS EXPECTED TO TAKE PLACE. WE DO KNOW — NIALL, I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOU ABOUT THIS, THOSE FOUR DEMOCRATS WHO CHOSE TODAY TO WALK OUT. TAKE US BACK AND SORT OF EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED TODAY. >>SO ESSENTIALLY CHUCK GRASSLEY THE REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN WAS READING A STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF KAVANAUGH, AND AT THAT POINT FOUR DEMOCRATIC SENATORS WALKED OUT. THE MOST PROMINENT AMONG THEM IS SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS OF CALIFORNIA. SHE’S ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS MOST’ PERSUASIVE QUESTIONERS I THINK IN THAT — DEMOCRATS’ MOST PERSUASIVE I THINK QUESTIONERS BUT A MORE CERTAIN CANDIDATE IN 2020. SO I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO THE KIND OF JOCKEYING FOR POSITION THAT JOEL WAS TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU’RE A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR OR ANY DEMOCRAT WHO HAS THOUGHTS OF RUNNING IN 2020, YOU CAN’T REALLY GET TOO FAR TO THE LEFT. IT’S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET TOO ADAMANT IN YOUR OPPOSITION TO THIS GUY, SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME THAT HARRIS WAS LEADING THAT GROUP, WAS TAKING TO THE LEAD IN TALKING TO REPORTERS AT AN IMPROMPTU NEWS CONFERENCE AFTERWARD, REALLY PUTTING HERSELF IN THE VAN GARD POSITION. >>WE ARE WATCHING THE SENATORS OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, LINDSAY GRAHAM, ORRIN HATCH AS WELL. I BELIEVE I JUST SAW CHUCK GRASSLEY TAKING HIS SEAT ALONG WITH DIANNE FEINSTEIN. >>A LOT OF PEOPLE WHISPERING AND HOVERING OVER. CURIOUS TO KNOW. >>I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE WHISPERING. LINDSAY GRAHAM IS CERTAINLY BEING PRAISED AMONG REPUBLICAN CIRCLES FOR STANDING UP. A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS WRONGLY ACCUSED AND HE IS VERY MUCH RIDING THE COURSE BECAUSE THIS IS SO POLITICIZED, AND IT’S PART OF THESE DEMOCRAT SHANNON BEGANS AND A SMEAR CAMPAIGN WHICH IS ALL TALKING POINTS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. BUT THE CAUTION I WOULD GIVE, AGAIN, SAYING THERE’S TWO SIDES TO THIS IS LOOK AT THE OTHER OUTSIDE INSTITUTIONS, WHETHER IT BE HARVARD UNIVERSITY, YALE, THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION, THEY’RE SAYING MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE A SECOND HERE. AND THE REASON I SAY WE POINT TO THAT, REPUBLICANS COULD SAY IT’S THE IVORY TOWER, IT’S THE ELITE INSTITUTIONS WHO ARE REALLY BEING CRITICAL OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH, BUT I THINK IT’S ABOUT THE MONEY. IT’S ABOUT THE TRUSTEES, THE DONORS, THE PEOPLE THAT ATTEND THESE UNIVERSITIES THAT ARE SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE IS SOMETHING HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED, WE HAD NEED — WE NEED TO TAKE A SECOND MORE, AND BECAUSE SUCH POWERFUL INSTITUTIONS ARE DOING THAT I THINK IT WILL HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT, NOT NECESSARILY DENYING THE CONFIRMATION TO SUPREME COURT, BUT WILL HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT IN HOW WE LOOK AT THIS PROCESS, WHETHER WE ARE SEEN AS AN EGREGIOUS EFFORT TO HAVE THIS CLOUD OF SEXUAL ASSAULT POTENTIALLY OUT THERE AND REALLY WHAT THE STANDARD IS GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE. WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE ARE BEFORE THE KAVANAUGH HEARING. >>THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN’T UNPACKED MUCH, BUT IT IS JUST A VERY SERIOUS SITUATION WITH THE SUPREME COURT WHETHER YOU LOOK AT DEMOCRATS TRYING TO GET THROUGH MERRICK GARLAND, YOU LOOK RIGHT NOW WITH KAVANAUGH, HAS THE LITMUS TEST OF HOW YOU PROCEED FORWARD IN GETTING SOMEONE ON THE SUPREME COURT, IS IT JUST PARTISAN AND THAT’S IT AND WE’VE JUST ACCEPTED IT? >>SO I ACTUALLY THINK — YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE COURT AS AN ORGANIZING ISSUE FOR THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. HISTORICALLY DEMOCRATS REALLY HAVE NOT ORGANIZED AROUND THE COURT, REPUBLICANS HAVE. YOU COULD ARGUE THAT’S WHY THEY’VE PACKED THE COURT SO SUCCESSFULLY IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, TWO DECADES, EVEN AT THE LOWER LEVELS. BUT NOW THIS IS EMERGING AS A LEADING ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS, AND THIS IS THE ULTIMATE LITMUS TEST, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS THE CLEAREST EXAMPLE OF YOU SHOWING YOUR PUSHBACK TO DONALD TRUMP IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY ARTICULATE A CASE AGAINST BRETT KAVANAUGH AND, AGAIN, IT’S A 20/20 TEST THAT IS VERY, VERY SERIOUS, AND, BY THE WAY, IT’S NOT JUST THESE FOLKS ON THIS COMMITTEE. IT’S GOVERNORS, IT’S GOING TO BE HOUSE CANDIDATES, IT’S GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHO ARE RUNNING AGAINST. THIS IS SETTING UP TO BE A REAL ORGANIZING ISSUE FOR BOTH SIDES. >>AND BECAUSE IT IS A LASTING LEGACY OF THE PRESIDENT, UNLIKE A POLICY OR A LAW THAT CAN BE UNRAVELED OR REPEALED AS DIFFICULT AS THAT HAS PROVEN TO BE, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO IMPEACH OR RESCIND A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, THAT’S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO. THIS IS A GENERATIONAL APPOINTMENT WHICH IS WHY ESPECIALLY FOR THIS SEAT BECAUSE IT WILL CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THE COURT FROM A CONSERVATIVE STANDPOINT, THAT’S WHY THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL FOR PEOPLE AND THAT’S WHY THERE’S SUCH AN ENERGY AND, YOU KNOW, ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS. >>WE’RE SEEING PEOPLE, WE HAVE A REPORTING THAT GEORGE W. BUSH HAVE CALLED CERTAIN SENATORS THAT ARE ON THE FENCE SAYING I KNOW THAT KAVANAUGH WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH BUSH, YOU SHOULD VOTE, THIS IS IMPORTANT. >>AND THAT SPEAKS TO THE WAY IN WHICH THE SUPREME COURT FIGHT HAS GALVANIZED EVERYONE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HAS BEEN KIND OF THE GLUE THAT KEEPS IT ALL TOGETHER. REMEMBER THERE WERE A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES WHO WERE OPPOSED TO DONALD TRUMP FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS. >>THE BUSH FAMILY AMONG THEM. >>THE BUSH FAMILY AMONG THEM, YES. AND THE COURT WAS THE ONE ISSUE THAT THEY KIND OF COALESCED AROUND AND EVANGELICALS AS WELL. THIS HAS BEEN A DRIVING PRINCIPLE FOR THEM, AND SO THIS IS WHAT IS KEEPS THE PARTY — KEEPING THE PARTY TOGETHER. >>NIALL, WE KNOW SENATOR MURKOWSKI, SENATOR COLLINS, WE’RE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY, DO WE KNOW, DO THEY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP? >>DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE RELATIONSHIP. TES PRETTY TENSE THERE. — IT’S PRETTY TENSE THERE. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TRIED TO KEEP THEM ON BOARD TO SOME EXTENT, HE CERTAINLY HAS NOT BEEN CRITICAL OF THEM AS HE DID THE BUSH FAMILY FOR THAT MATTER. BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE SENATE, THEY’RE ALWAYS GOING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS TO SOME EXTENT ON THEIR OWN INTERESTS, AND SOMEONE LIKE SUSAN COLLINS WHO HAS CREATED A NICHE FOR HERSELF POLITICALLY AS THAT MODERATE, AS THAT PERSON WHO IS WILLING TO BUCK THE PARTY LINE, I’M NOT SURE HOW SHE IS GOING TO BE TO TIE HERSELF COMPLETELY TO DONALD TRUMP. A LITTLE BIT OF DISTANCE THERE IS PROBABLY BENEFICIAL FOR HER, AND JUST ONE OTHER POINT QUICKLY, REENA, THIS ALL THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TO ME GETS TO THE FACT THAT THE COUNTRY IS SO POLARIZED AT THE MOMENT THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAD BEEN SORT OF THE LAST OF THE BASTION OF THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE CAN TRANSCEND PARTISAN LINES IF YOU WERE NOMINATED BY A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT OR A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, THAT DIDN’T MARK THE REST OF YOUR TENURE ON THE SUPREME COURT. NOW I THINK WE’RE VERY CLOSE TO A POINT WHERE BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES SIMPLY SEE SUPREME COURT SEATS AS PART OF THE SPOILS OF THE ELECTION WINS. THAT’S A BIT OF A SHAME, BUT I THINK IT’S INEVITABLE. >>I’M SO SORRY. BUT ON HIS POINT, SO THE VENEER IS OFF ON KAVANAUGH. IT USED TO BE THIS IDEA, YES, HE’S A CONSERVATIVE JURIST, BUT HE WOULD BE IMPARTIAL AND UNBIASED. IT WAS A POLITICAL SPEECH TESTIMONY THAT HE GAVE YESTERDAY WHICH FOR EVEN CONSERVATIVES, ECONOMIC CONSERVATIVES WERE, LIKE, WOW, THAT’S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE COME FROM A JUDGE, AND WE REALIZE HE’S DEFENDING HIS INTEGRITY, HE IS THE ACCUSED VERSUS BEING THE JUDGE, BUT THERE WAS A LINE HE CROSSED THAT WAS SO PARTISAN IT MADE A LOT OF PEOPLE PAUSE. AND TO CAITLIN’S POINT ABOUT THE EVANGELICALS, THE REASON THE GLUE WAS THERE WAS PROTECTING RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS, DEFUNDING PLANNED PARENTHOOD WHICH THE PRESIDENT GAVE. THEY’RE WILLING TO BE BLIND FOR EVERYTHING ELSE TO HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS YOU HAVE SOLELY THROUGH THE SUPREME COURT. SO THAT’S WHY THIS IS SO — >>I KNOW YOU WANT TO MAKE A POINT, BUT I JUST WANT TO TAKE YOU LIVE HERE FOR ONE SECOND TO GIVE YOU AN IMAGE HERE. THIS IS THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. IF YOU LOOK VERY CLOSELY, LOOK AT THOSE CHAIRS. A LOT OF SENATORS NOT IN THOSE CHAIRS. WE’RE HEARING FROM ED O’KEEFE ALL DEMOCRATS ARE OUT OF THE HEARING ROOM AND A GOOD PORTION OF THE DEMOCRATIC STAFF, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO USUALLY SIT BEHIND THE SENATORS, THEY JUST EXITED THE HEARING ROOM. IT’S NOW 1:38 P.M. EASTERN, EIGHT MINUTES AGO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HOLD THIS VOTE. THEY’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO SHOW UP AND AS OUR ED O’KEEFE IS REPORTING, THEY DID NOT SHOW UP, AND THEIR OWN STAFFERS, THEIR DEMOCRATIC STAFFERS HAVE ACTUALLY EXITED THE ROOM. JOEL, WHAT’S YOUR TAKE? >>SO I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT MATH FOR A SECOND. >>MATZ, OKAY. >>NOT ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS. LOOK, YOU DON’T GET TO BE MAJORITY LEADER UNLESS YOU CAN COUNT VOTES. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. SO LET’S THINK ABOUT THIS, OKAY? 51-49, OKAY. SO REPUBLICANS CAN ESSENTIALLY AFFORD TO LOSE TWO IF THEY REPLACE THEM WITH ONE DEMOCRAT OR THEY CAN AFFORD TO LOSE ONE AND THEN PENCE IS THE TIEBREAKER. SO YOU COULD POTENTIALLY SEE A SCENARIO HERE WHERE REPUBLICANS LOSE A MURKOWSKI, OKAY, BUT THEY REPLACE A MURKOWSKI WITH LIKE A MANCHIN OR A HEITKAMP, I THINK THAT’S FASCINATING, AND I THINK THAT’S GOING TO BE REALLY INTERESTING DYNAMICS FOR A DEMOCRAT LIKE THAT WHO ESSENTIALLY GIVES DONALD TRUMP HIS SUPREME COURT JUSTICE WHEN HE COULDN’T EVEN KEEP HIS ENTIRE PARTY IN LINE. I THINK THAT’S A REALLY FASCINATING PHENOMENON THAT COULD EMERGE THIS AFTERNOON. AND WHILE JOE MANCHIN IS PROBABLY BULLET-PROOF IN A PLACE LIKE WEST VIRGINIA BECAUSE NO ONE IS GOING TO RUN TO THE LEFT OF HIM THERE, OR HIDIEST HEITKAMP IN NORTH DAKOTA, THE RAGE — OR HEIDI HEITKAMP IN NORTH DAKOTA, THE RAGE, THE PROGRESSIVE WING OF THE PARTY, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN I THINK WOULD BE REALLY FASCINATING TO WATCH AND OBSERVE. >>DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF THE DEMOCRATS DON’T SHOW UP AT THIS POINT, DO THEY STILL HOLD THE VOTE? >>I BELIEVE THAT THEY DO. VIEWERS CAN THEN CALL IN AND COMPLAIN HOW WRONG I AM. BUT I BELIEVE IT’S CONSIDERED AN ABSENTIAN IF THEY DON’T SHOW UP. THIS IMAGE THAT IS BEING BROADCAST INTERNATIONALLY AT THIS POINT STREAMING LIVE THAT DEMOCRATS CHOSE NOT TO ATTEND AT 1:30. WE KNOW — JOEL, YOU WERE TALKING TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE MATH. WE KNOW AT THIS POINT THAT THE REPUBLICANS, THEY HAVE THE MAJORITY, WE DON’T KNOW, DO THEY HAVE THE VOTES? WE’RE STILL WAITING TO SEE EXACTLY HOW FOLKS ARE VOTING ON KAVANAUGH, BUT WHAT MORE CAN THE DEMOCRATS REALLY DO AT THIS POINT? >>WELL, I THINK THIS IMAGE SPEAKS TO IT, RIGHT? THEY DON’T HAVE THE VOTES TO OVERTAKE THE MAJORITY IN THE SENATE, BUT THEY CAN DO A LOT TO CREATE VISUALS, TO CREATE SOME MOMENTUM TO CREATE EVEN MORE ENERGY TO APPLY EVEN MORE PRESSURE HAVING THIS IMAGE, REFUSING TO BE PART OF THIS, DELAYING THE VOTE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN TO ALLOW FOR, AGAIN, THE PUBLIC TO KEEP REACTING TO THIS IN REAL TIME. I THINK THESE ARE THE KINDS OF MANEUVERS THAT THEY CAN DO TO DO THIS AND REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO ARGUE THAT THIS IS POLITICAL ON THEIR PART. >>JUST BRIEFLY, THOSE PICTURES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST NOW, I MEAN, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF NEWSPAPERS. THEY’RE ALSO GOING TO BE ALL THROUGH PEOPLE’S SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS FOR AT LEAST THE LAST — OR THE NEXT 24 HOURS, GETTING TO THE POINT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS THE DEGREE TO WHICH THIS HOUSE BECOMES SO POLARIZED, THE MAN MAY BE CONFIRMED TOTHE SUPREME COURT AND HE’S GOING TO HAVE THAT IMAGE AROUND HIM FROM THE OUTSET. >>TALK ABOUT PICTURES, THOUGH, AND I TALKED ABOUT OPTICS YESTERDAY, OKAY? THERE WERE SOME OPTICS THAT WE DIDN’T TALK. THERE’S AN IMAGE OF LINDSAY GRAHAM AND/ORIN HATCH AND OTHERS LAUGHING DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCEEDINGS YESTERDAY WHICH WERE KIND OF CAUGHT FIRE, PARTICULARLY AROUND PROGRESSIVE TWITTER AS I LIKE TO CALL IT. THERE’S THESE IMAGES OF BRETT KAVANAUGH WHILE HE IS DEFENDING HIMSELF VERY ANG RILE DEFENDING HIMSELF, SOME VERY POWERFUL SHOTS. I THINK THIS IS ALSO ABOUT OPTICS A LOT OF THIS, THE OPTICS THAT YOU’RE HIGHLIGHTING HERE IN THE COMMITTEE ROOM, BUT ALSO ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHITE MEN FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHO OPTED TO GIVE RACHEL MITCHELL THE GAVEL ESSENTIALLY YESTERDAY TO LEAD ON THEIR SIDE. THERE ARE SO MANY IMAGE, HOW ARE AMERICANS GOING TO PROCESS THIS, HOW ARE VOTERS GOING TO PROCESS THIS WHEN THEY GO TO THE POLLS IN TWO MONTH? >>AND TAKE THE GAVEL BACK. I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS IMAGE. THIS WAS THE IMAGE — I DON’T KNOW HOW CLOSE I CAN GET, THIS IS THE IMAGE IN “NEW YORK TIMES” TODAY. I’M CURIOUS WHAT THE HEADLINE FOR TOMORROW’S NEWSPAPER WILL BE NOW THAT WE’RE TRYING TO HAVE THIS VOTE AND AS WE KNOW SENATOR McCONNELL HAS WEIGHED IN SAYING IT’S STILL GOING TO GO TO THE SENATE FLOOR. >>WELL — >>THIS IS AGAIN — YOU WIN THE BATTLE, MAYBE PERHAPS LOSE THE WAR. THE BATTLE IS THEY MUST GET THIS CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE CONFIRMED. THAT’S THE GOAL LYING BEFORE THE MIDTERM ELECTION. AND EVERYTHING ELSE PEOPLE HAVE RATIONALIZED IT’S A CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY AND HE’S STILL A VERY STRONG JURIST. >>I JUST WANT TO WEIGH IN HERE. WE’RE GETTING SOME REPORTING, I BELIEVE THIS IS FROM OUR NANCY CORDES WHO’S SAYING THAT FLAKE HAS NOT APPEARED IN THIS HEARING ROOM, IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE MISSING, AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND HERE. GRAHAM IS NOW GOING BACK TO AN ADJACENT ROOM. THE ONLY SENATORS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THIS HEARING ROOM, AND CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG, I CAN’T SEE FULLY HERE, I SEE IT’S KENNEDY, HATCH, GRASSLEY, GRAHAM IS ACTUALLY IN THAT ROOM, SO KENNEDY, HATCH, GRASSLEY AND GRAHAM THE ONLY ONES IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW. >>IT’S SO STRANGE AND PEOPLE KEEP SAYING, OH, THIS STUFF, THE DEMOCRATS ARE CALLING FOR THIS F.B.I. INQUIRY AND THE WHOLE PROCESS HAS BEEN POLITICIZED, SO THERE IS TRUTH TO THAT THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER REVEALED THE IDENTITY OF DR. FORD, SHE DESERVED THAT. BUT NOW THAT IT’S IN THIS HEIGHTENED ENVIRONMENT, THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS REMAINING ABOUT JUDGE KAVANAUGH, PRICE. D THIS IS NOT — >>WHAT WOULD THAT PRICE BE, THOUGH, LESLIE? >>THIS IS NOT — REENA, I WISH I COULD SAY ONE FOR ONE. THIS IS GOING TO PERCOLATE. THIS IS GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEAUTY PARLORS, ON THE GOLF RANGE, AT THE ELITE BOARDING SCHOOLS, IN THE IVORY TOWER AND EVERYBODY IS GETTING A CAR WASH. THE INTERESTING PART, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, PEOPLE ARE SAYING I SAW THIS, BUT I DIDN’T HEAR IT, MAYBE PERHAPS WE WERE GOING THROUGH AN AIRPORT, THEY’RE NOT NECESSARILY LISTENING, BUT REASONABLE PEOPLE ARE SAYING WHAT IS THE RUSH? CAN WE FINALLY JUST REALLY KNOW THE TRUTH HERE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED? AND THAT’S THE REASON PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT POLITICAL, THAT THEY FEEL THAT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WOULD GIVE IT A NATURAL INCLUSION, MORE PEOPLE WOULD COME OUT, HE’D BE CLEARED BY THE F.B.I. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, I FEEL THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE COMFORT LEVEL AMONG WOMEN. I DON’T THINK THAT’S A LUXURY THEY’RE WILLING TO GIVE RIGHT NOW. >>REALLY QUICKLY. I WAS GOING TO SAY, LESLIE, YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER IS ESSENTIALLY THEY HAVE NO CHOICE IN WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. IS IT REALLY? I WOULD ARGUE IF YOU’RE A REPUBLICAN, THE BEST SCENARIO IS BRETT KAVANAUGH IS CONVINCE, HE WITHDRAWS, YOU PUT ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE WHO’S JUST AS STRONG AND YOU USE IT TO WHIP UP YOUR BASE THIS NOVEMBER. INSTEAD YOU HAVE AN OPPOSITE SITUATION WHERE NOW WOMEN AND DEMOCRATS ARE EVEN MORE GALVANIZED. >>I WANT TO INTERRUPT ONE SECOND. WE SEE FLAKE, FEINSTEIN, SOME OF THE DEMOCRATS EMERGING THERE AND GRASSLEY HAS ALSO ENTERED. I’M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN. WE ARE — OUR CAPITOL HILL TEAM IS ON THE GROUND THERE, ALSO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WENT ON. BEN SASSE AS WELL. WE JUST SAW FLAKE ENTER AND EXIT A SHORT TIME AGO. LET ME ASK YOU GUYS, LET’S SAY FLAKE CHANGES HIS MIND, BECAUSE THESE AREN’T COMMITTED VOTES úY >>WELL, ESSENTIALLY IT MEANS THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH WOULD NOT HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE UNLESS SOMETHING TOTALLY UNEXPECTED HAPPENS. THAT WOULD BE A VERY SERIOUS BLACK MARK AGAINST HIM. AND, REMEMBER, WE ALL TRY TO MAKE PRIXES ACCORDING TO PROCEDURE — PREDICTIONS ACCORDING TO PROCEDURE, BUT UNEXPECTED THINGS CAN HAPPEN. THE FAMOUS VOTE WHERE JOHN MCCAIN VOTED AGAINST THE REPEAL OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, HE HAD ACTUALLY VOTED ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE BEFORE THAT ON A PROCEDURAL MATTER AND THEN CHANGED HIS MIND. AND JUST TO GET BACK TO YOUR POINT THAT LESLIE RAISED. THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF ISSUE THAT TRANSCENDS THE POLITICAL BUBBLE OR BURSTS OUT OF THE POLITICAL BUBBLE, I THINK THAT’S REALLY IMPORTANT, THAT CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD’S TESTIMONY HAD SUCH VISCERAL FORCE YESTERDAY. A FEMALE FRIEND OF MINE FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ME. SHE WAS WATCHING IT THINKING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ME. THAT’S NOT THE KIND OF VISCERAL ISSUE THAT POLITICS TYPICALLY THROWS UP, AND I THINK THAT’S WHERE ITS POWER RESIDES AND THAT’S WHY IT IS STILL PECKLATING, WHY PEOPLE HAVE STILL — PERCOLATING, WHY PEOPLE STILL HAVE NOT THOROUGHLY COME TO THEIR CONCLUDE OF WHAT IT MEANS. >>WE ARE JUST LEARNING — WE SAW SENATOR FLAKE EXIT THE ROOM WITH DIANNE FEINSTEIN. THEY ARE NOW IN AN ADJACENT BACK ROOM DISCUSSING AND TALKING AT THIS POIMENT. WE KNOW THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE VOTE AS WE WERE EXPECTING 20 MINUTES AGO, REALLY, IT’S NOW DELAYED, A SENATOR IN THE ROOM CONFIRMS THAT VIA TEXT MESSAGE THAT SOMETHING IS AFOOT INVOLVING SENATOR JEFF FLAKE OF ARIZONA. WHAT IS IT, HOW LONG THE PROCEEDING WILL BE DELAYED WHRKS WILL THIS VOTE HAPPEN — WHEN WILL THIS VOTE HAPPEN, IT IS STILL UNCLEAR, IT’S STILL FLUID. THIS NOTE FROM ED O’KEEFE SAYS THE WORD OF THE DAY HERE FLUID. AND THERE’S ALSO A TOP DEMOCRATIC AIDE SAYING REGARDING FLAKE IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS WAVERING. I ASKED IF HE’S WAVERING ON KAVANAUGH OR WAVERING ON JUST HOLDING THE VOTE WITHOUT AN INVESTIGATION. HE DIDN’T KNOW. AND THIS IS A QUOTE, CAN’T TELL, I WASN’T IN THERE FROM THE START. SO EVEN FOLKS WHO ARE AIDES AND PART OF THIS COMMITTEE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT’S GOING ON. >>REENA, I’LL SAY REALLY QUICKLY, THIS IS A REALLY FASCINATING THING BECAUSE SINCE PEOPLE BELIEVE IF YOU JUST GAVE IT A MINUTE, TO INVESTIGATE MORE, FIND OUT MORE, JUST CLEAR THE AIR SOME THAT IT WOULD COME TO ITS OWN NATURAL CONCLUSION. THAT’S A TERM WE HEARD THIS MORNING. WE HEARD ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON WHO SAID HIS WIFE CALLED HIM AFTER WATCHING THIS TESTIMONY AND SAID CAN YOU TAKE SOME TIME NOW BECAUSE I NEED TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THIS, AND SHE JUST REALLY HAD TO PROCESS THIS WITH HER HUSBAND BECAUSE THIS BROUGHT UP A LOT OF EMOTION. AND THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW. SO THIS IS GENERATING — WHICH IS WHAT I’M SAYING — CONVERSATIONS IN WAYS THAT PEOPLE JUST CANNOT FULLY PROCESS IN 24 HOURS. THEY NEED A SECOND. AND TO RUSH THIS, THAT’S MY CHALLENGE TO REPUBLICANS, IF HE’S A GOOD ENOUGH NOMINEE, HE CAN STAND THE TIME. BUT THEY FEEL WHICH IS FAIR, A WAVE IS COMING. >>LESLIE, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. SENATOR GRASSLEY HAS GAVELED IN. >>WE’RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION OVER THE MOTION THAT’S BEFORE US. WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM. >>AS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, I’M GOING TO CALL ON SENATOR FLAKE TO SPEAK. NORMALLY WE WOULD START THE VOTE RIGHT NOW, BUT AS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, I WOULD CALL ON SENATOR FLAKE. >>THANK YOU. I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ONGOING FOR A WHILE WITH REGARD TO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO DUE DILIGENCE HERE, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE PROPER TO DELAY THE FLOOR VOTE FOR UP TO BUT NOT MORE THAN ONE WEEK IN ORDER TO LET THE F.B.I. TO DO AN INVESTIGATION LIMITED IN TIME AND SCOPE TO THE CURRENT ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE THERE AND LIMIT IN TIME TO NO MORE THAN ONE WEEK. AND I WILL VOTE TO ADVANCE THE BILL TO THE FLOOR WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING. AND I’VE SPOKEN TO A FEW OTHER MEMBERS WHO — ON MY SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO MAY BE SUPPORTIVE AS WELL. BUT THAT’S MY POSITION. I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ALL DUE DILIGENCE WITH A NOMINATION THIS IMPORTANT. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS ACTED PROPERLY AND THE CHAIRMAN HAS BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO DO INVESTIGATIONS FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND TO DELAY THIS VOTE IN THIS COMMITTEE FOR A WEEK SO THAT JUDGE — OR THAT MS. FORD, DR. FORD COULD BE HEARD, AND SHE WAS YESTERDAY. SO THAT’S — WITH THAT AGREEMENT, I WILL VOTE TO ADVANCE THE BILL TO THE FLOOR. >>CALL ROLL. >>WAIT JUST ONE SECOND, COULD DIANNE SPEAK? >>WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? >>WE ARE VOTING ON THE MOTION TO REPORT THE NOMINATION TO THE FLOOR. CALL THE ROLL. >>MR. GRAHAM — >>THAT’S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT MR. CHAIRMAN LET THE SENATOR EXPLAIN IT. >>MY UNDERSTANDING, AND IF THE DEMOCRATS COULD SPEAK TO IT, IF CHRIS OR YOU AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT THE DEMOCRATS WOULD ACCEPT AND ENDORSE A ONE-WEEK F.B.I. INVESTIGATION LIMITED IN TIME AND SCOPE. >>THAT IS CORRECT. >>SINCE YOU’RE THE DECIDING VOTE HERE, WE’LL VOTE AND THEN IF THERE’S ANY SORT OF DISCUSSION WE’LL GO DO THAT AFTER THE VOTE. CALL THE ROLL. >>MR. GRAHAM. >>I. >>MR. CORNYN. >>I. >>MR. LEE. >>I. >>MR. CRUZ. >>I. >>MR. FLAKE. >>I. I. >>MR. TILLIS. >>I. >>MS. FEINSTEIN. >>ON THE NOMINEE, NO. >>MR. LEAHY. >>ON THE NOMINEE, NO. >>MR. BUR DURBIN. NO >>MR. WHITEHOUSE. >>NO. >>MS. KLOBUCHAR. NO. >>MR. HIRONO, NO. >>MR. HOOKER. NO >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>I. >>MR. CHAIRMAN THE VOTES ARE 11YAYS, 10NAYS. >>THE NOMINEE WILL BE REPORTED TO THE FLOOR. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? >>YES. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO THANK MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE SENATOR FLAKE AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE TIME TODAY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ASKED FOR A ONE-WEEK DELAY IN ORDER THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN F.B.I. INVESTIGATION OF WHAT ALLEGATIONS ARE CURRENTLY BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE. I RESPECT SENATOR FLAKE’S VIEW THAT IN HIS OPINION IT WAS BEST TO RESPECT YOUR HAVING GIVEN DR. FORD THE TIME TO BE HEARD YESTERDAY AND ADVANCE THE NOMINEE TO THE FLOOR, BUT IT IS MY HOPE THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS TO DILIGENTLY PURSUE AN F.B.I. INVESTIGATION WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK, NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DELAY, BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF INVESTIGATING FURTHER EITHER ALLEGATIONS MADE BY DR. FORD OR OTHERS WITH A GOAL TOWARDS DEMONSTRATING A BIPARTISAN COMMITMENT TO DILIGENTLY INVESTIGATING THESE ALLEGATIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, SENATOR FLAKE. >>SENATOR FEINSTEIN. >>THANK YOU. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT MOTION. I THINK WE DO NEED THIS INVESTIGATION. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I SORT OF MISUNDERSTOOD SENATOR FLAKE WHAT YOU WERE DOING. I THOUGHT IT INCLUDED A ONE- WEEK INVESTIGATION. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR THAT INVESTIGATION. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. SENATOR. TAKE TURNS HERE. ->>I LOVE THIS COMMITTEE, BUT WE’RE NOT THE MAJORITY LEADER. SENATOR FLAKE HAS MADE CLEAR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE HIM TO BE COMFORTABLE ON A FINAL PASSAGE VOTE. BUT IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE SAY HERE. THIS WILL BE UP TO SENATOR SCHUMER AND SENATOR McCONNELL. >>IT IS COMPLETELY UP TO THEM. >>YEAH. AND I THINK HE’S MADE HIMSELF VERY CLEAR — >>SENATOR. LET’S MOVE. SENATOR LEAHY. SENATOR LEAHY. >>WELL, CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THIS IS SOMEWHAT UNPRECEDENTED. I DO AGREE WITH THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THIS FURTHER INVESTIGATION. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DURING THE WEEK THAT THAT IS TAKING PLACE, THERE WILL BE NO ACTION ON THE FLOOR OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE ON THIS NOMINATION, IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT CANNOT — I CANNOT SAY THAT — >>LET ME SAY AGAIN, I’M NOT MAKING — I CAN’T MAKE THAT COMMITMENT FOR THE LEADERSHIP. I CAN ONLY SAY THAT I WOULD BE ONLY COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD ON THE FLOOR — I’LL MOVE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE, BUT I WILL ONLY BE COMFORTABLE MOVING ON THE FLOOR UNTIL THE F.B.I. HAS DONE MORE INVESTIGATION THAN THEY HAVE ALREADY. IT MAY NOT TAKE THEM A WEEK. I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THESE WITNESSES MAY NOT WANT TO DISCUSS ANYTHING FURTHER, BUT I THINK WE OWE THEM DUE DILIGENCE. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>JUST A MINUTE. ALL I HAVE SAID TO SENATOR FLAKE IS THAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THE POSITION HE TOOK, BUT I DON’T CONTROL THAT. SENATOR. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>YES. SENATOR KLOBUCHAR. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE ARE OTHER SENATORS AS WELL WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN THIS NEGOTIATION ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AND THERE’S NOT REALLY A SET AGREEMENT HERE. ALL OF US HAD ALREADY SAID WE WERE VOTING NO. IT IS SIMPLY SENATOR FLAKE WORKING WITH ALL OF US TO SAY FOR THE GOOD OF THE SENATE AND THE GOOD OF THE COURT, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE THE FACTS FOLLOWED UP ON. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THIS IS SIMPLY ABOUT — AND, BY THE WAY, IF SENATOR McCONNELL WANTS TO GO FORWARD IN LIGHT OF THAT AND WE STILL HAVE SEVERAL SENATORS THAT HAVEN’T SAID HOW THEY’RE VOTING ON THIS NOMINEE, I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT WHAT JUST HAPPENED RIGHT NOW. SO IT DOESN’T HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT. IT IS ONE SENATOR WHO’S STANDING UP. >>SENATOR CORNYN. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO SENATOR FLAKE FOR ALLOWING THIS PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD. THERE’S SOME DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AMONG US AS TO WHAT EXACTLY THE F.B.I. INVESTIGATION WOULD CONSIST OF. SOME OF US THINK IT HAS BEEN CONCLUDED AND SUPPLEMENTED BY THIS COMMITTEE’S INVESTIGATION, OTHERS DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT I RESPECT THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY SENATOR FLAKE ADVOCATED TO GIVE DR. FORD A CHANCE TO APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE WHICH WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT ALSO THAT HE’S ALLOWED THIS PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD SUBJECT TO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT ABOUT WHAT THE F.B.I. MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH, BUT CERTAINLY HE REMAINS WITH HIS RIGHT TO CAST HIS VOTE AND MAINTAIN SIGNIFICANT LEVERAGE THAT WAY. BUT I APPRECIATE HIS SUPPORT FOR A FULL AND FAIR HEARING FOR DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH AS WELL AS HIS WILLINGNESS TO ALLOW THIS TO GO FORWARD SUBJECT TO HIS REQUEST. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>I THINK I OUGHT TO CALL ON SENATOR FEINSTEIN. >>IF I THROUGH THE CHAIR COULD ASK A QUESTION OF SENATOR FLAKE, DOES YOUR AMENDMENT INCLUDE CONTINUING THE INVESTIGATION DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME? >>IF I CAN RESPOND, THERE IS NO AMENDMENT. I’M SIMPLY STATING THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BETWEEN US ALL IS THAT I WOULD HOPE AND I THINK WE HAD SOME AGREEMENT BEFORE THAT THE DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE BEEN I THINK JUSTIFIABLY UNCOMFORTABLE MOVING AHEAD COULD PUBLICLY IN AN EFFORT TO BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER SAY THAT WE WOULD FEEL BETTER — I’M NOT EXPECTING AND TO VOTE YES, BUT NOT TO COMPLAIN THAT AN F.B.I. INVESTIGATION HAS NOT OCCURRED, AND THIS IS WHAT I’M TRYING TO DO. THIS COUNTRY IS BEING RIPPED APART HERE, AND WE’VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO DUE DILIGENCE. I THINK THIS COMMITTEE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE A SHORT PAUSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE F.B.I. CAN INVESTIGATE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SOME OF US WOULD HAVE TO AND I’M PREPARED TO DO IT, MAKE A REQUEST TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO ASK THE F.B.I. TO DO THAT INVESTIGATION. IT WOULD BE SHORT AND LIMITED IN SCOPE TO THE CURRENT ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. >>BECAUSE THERE’S A TWO-HOUR RULING WE’RE ADJOURNED.>>TWO HOUR RULE, WE ARE ADJOURNED.>>WHAT? >>SURROUNDING MORE HIGH DRAMA ON CAPITOL HILL THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HAS VOTED TO SEND BRETT KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION TO THE FULL SENATE FOR A VOTE EARLY NEXT WEEK. THAT WAS AN 11-10 VOTE BUT AS PART OF THE PROCESS, SENATOR JEFF FLAKE OF ARIZONA SAID THAT — HE VOTED YES TO MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD AND HE SAID HE WILL NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF BRETT KAVANAUGH BEING CONFIRMED NEXT WEEK ON THE FULL FLOOR UNLESS HE SEES AN FBI INVESTIGATION OF UP TO ONE WEEK INTO THE ALLEGATIONS OF CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD A LOT TOOK PLACE RIGHT NOW AS THESE NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE AND IT O’KEEFE IS STANDING BY. >>Reporter: THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE DEVELOPMENT. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SENATE IS DESIGNED FOR. ESSENTIALLY THE LEVERAGE AND ALL OF THE ATTENTION SHIFTS FROM THE COMMITTEE ROOM TO THE FULL SENATE, WHERE IT IS AN ISSUE FOR ALL 100 SENATORS AND NOT JUST THE 21 ON THE COMMITTEE. WHAT JEFF FLAKE DID THERE IS SAY, I’M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THE MOTIONS TO PROCEED TO A FULL DEBATE ON THE SENATE ON THIS NOMINATION UNLESS AND UNTIL THERE IS A WEEKLONG FBI INVESTIGATION, AND HE DID THAT, MOST LIKELY KNOWING THAT HE IS NOT THE ONLY REPUBLICAN THAT FEELS THAT WAY. REMEMBER THAT AT THIS HOUR, WE ARE WAITING TO SEE YOUR — TO HEAR WHAT SUSAN COLLINS OF MAINE AND LISA MURKOWSKI OF ALASKA WOULD DO IN THIS SITUATION. WE KNOW THAT HE HAS CONSULTED WITH THEM ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT VOTE FOR WE HAVE 51 REPUBLICANS, 49 MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS. IF MORE THAN ONE VOTES NO ON ANY VOTE ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE RIGHT NOW, IT IS DEAD IN THE WATER. SO JEFF FLAKE IS SAYING, I AND PRESUMABLY A HANDFUL OF OTHER REPUBLICANS DO NOT WANT TO PROCEED ULESS WE KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF FBI INVESTIGATION UNDERWAY. >>RIGHT NOW, THE UP IN THE AIR VOTES — CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. JEFF FLAKE, SUSAN COLLINS, LISA MURKOWSKI, AND THE DEMOCRATS JOE MANSION AND ALSO HEIDI HEITKAMP. IS THAT CORRECT? >>Reporter: CORRECT. IT HAS GONE BACK TO FIVE. THOSE FIVE HAVE NOT PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WHAT THEY WOULD DO BEYOND THAT JEFF FLAKE AND WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONSULTATION. SUSAN COLLINS REMAINS IN THE CAPITAL, IN HER PRIVATE OFFICE, CONSULTING WITH MEMBERS OF BOTH PARTIES. JOE MANSION IS BACK IN WEST VIRGINIA TODAY, CAMPAIGNING, BUT HE HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH HIS COLLEAGUES AND WHAT WE WILL THAT, YES, THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF FBI INVESTIGATION BEFORE THERE IS A FINAL VOTE. REMEMBER THAT THIS IS THE STICKING POINT. IT IS THE WHITE HOUSE THAT HAS TO REQUEST THE FBI INVESTIGATION SO THIS GETS THROWN TO THE WHITE HOUSE WHERE THE PRESIDENT WILL DECIDE. DO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF INVESTIGATION IN ORDER TO SAVE THE NOMINATION? >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NANCY COURTESANS AND CAPITOL HILL DOING GREAT REPORTING. WE WILL CHECK IN WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THE DAY. THERE IS NANCY. REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE WE LEAVE, CAN YOU GIVE US A QUICK DEBRIEFING ON WHAT WE JUST SAW AND WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT? >>Reporter: THIS SHOWS HOW MUCH POWER ONE SENATOR HAS WHEN THE SENATE IS DIVIDED 51-49. REPUBLICANS CAN ONLY AFFORD TO LOSE ONE SENATOR AND SO JEFF FLAKE KNOWS THAT HE HAS GOT A LOT OF LEVERAGE. ALL EYES ARE ON THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, MITCH McCONNELL. WILL HE AGREE TO HOLD THAT VOTE FOR AN ENTIRE WEEK? WILL THE WHITE HOUSE AGREED TO ENABLE THE FBI TO DO THIS INVESTIGATION? JEFF FLAKE HAS BEEN AGONIZING OVER THIS FOR THE PAST DAY AND HE WAS IN THE HEARING, WALKED OUT SAYING THAT HE HAD A LOT OF DOUBTS. >>NANCY CORTEZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR IT O’KEEFE. WE WILL BE CHECKING IN LATER TONIGHT MORE ABOUT ALL OF THIS ON YOUR LOCAL NEWS ON THIS STATION ON THE 24 HOUR STREAMING SERVICE, CBSN AND TONIGHT ON THE CBS EVENING NEWS. TO RECAP, THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HAS VOTED TO SEND THE FULL VOTE FOR BRETT KAVANAUG TO THE FLOOR NEXT WEEK, BUT THERE ARE CAVEATS AND THERE ARE NEGOTIATIONS THAT CONTINUE FOLLOWING WHAT JEFF FLAKE JUSTIN JEFF GLOR, CBS NEWS, NEW YORK. WE WILL SEE YOU LATER. >>>FOUR NEWS 24 HOURS A DAY, GO TO CBS NEWS.COM. >>WE ARE CONTINUING TO FOLLOW THE DRAMATIC REVERSAL BY JEFF FLAKE OF ARIZONA. THIS MORNING HE SAID THAT HE WOULD VOTE YES ON BRETT KAVANAUGH AND MOMENTS AGO HE ANNOUNCED THAT HE IS HOLDING THAT VOTE OF YES, PENDING A FULL FBI INVESTIGATION THAT HE IS REQUESTING FOR A WEEK. I WANT TO BRING IN THE PANEL TO DISCUSS HIS. ONE OF THE BIG FOCUSES THAT IT O’KEEFE WAS MENTIONING IS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE NEEDS TO CALL FOR THE INVESTIGATION. YOU DID SOME REPORTING. >>>REMEMBER THAT LAST WEEK WHEN CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD’S LAWYERS AND DEMOCRATS CALLED FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION BEFORE ALL OF THIS, REPUBLICAN SAID NO. FIRST OF ALL, — STOMACH I APOLOGIZE. >>THIS ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION, BEFORE I VOTE FOR THIS NOMINEE. IF HE IS JOINED BY ONE OR TWO OTHER REPUBLICANS IN THAT REQUEST, THEN THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE VOTES UNLESS THE INVESTIGATION OCCURRED. I DON’T NOW. YOU WILL HAVE TO ASK THEM. IT IS ONE WEEK IS WHAT SENATOR JEFF FLAKE WAS INTERESTED IN AND YOU CAN DO A LOT IF YOU HAVE THE WHOLE FBI LOOKING AT THINGS IN ONE WEEK. >>DID SENATOR FLAKE BRING THE IDEA TO THE DEMOCRATS? >>YOU SHOULD TALK TO SENATOR FLAKE ABOUT THAT BUT YOU HAVE SEEN HIM TO BE INDEPENDENT IN TERMS OF THE DECISIONS HE MAKES AND WHAT HE SAYS AND HE FELT THAT HE HAD A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. >>Reporter: IS HE STILL IN THERE? NO I BELIEVE HE IS STILL IN THERE A NUMBER OF US HAD SUGGESTED THE WEEK. I SUGGESTED IT TODAY DID WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY? NO. WE ARE IN A BETTER PLACE THAN WE WERE AT 8 AM THIS MORNING. >>>WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THIS SWITCHED? BUT I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD TALK TO HIM. >>THAT WAS AMY KLOBUCHAR WAVY JUDGMENT WEIGHING IN. WE ARE EXPECTING — LET’S LISTEN TO THIS. THIS IS LINDSEY GRAHAM. >>I HOPE SOME DEMOCRATS WILL SAY, IF WE DO WHAT JEFF FLAKE SAID, THAT WOULD END THE PROCESS DISPUTE, AT LEAST A FEW OF THEM I DO NOT EXPECT THEM TO VOTE FOR THE GUY BUT IF WE ASKED THE FBI TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US, NO LONGER THAN A WEEK, THEN THEY WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE A BETTER PROCESS. THAT WOULD BE PROGRESS AND JEFF FLAKE IS TRYING HIS BEST TO BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER AND VOTE THE BEST WAY HE KNOWS HOW. I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT IS THE AGREEMENT THAT I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU. I DON’T KNOW. I’M GOING TO TALK TO HIM NOW. >>Reporter: IS IT A GOOD IDEA FIANNA DOES? >>THE LAST TIME I LOOKED, YOU NEED 50 VOTES . >>>[ LAUGHTER ] >>ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT RIGHT NOW, WHAT JEFF FLAKE IS SAYING MAKES SENSE TO ME. I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR MITCH. I’M GOING TO TALK WITH JEFF SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO EXPLAIN THIS TO DONALD TRUMP I GUESS THAT WILL BE MY JOB. >>Reporter: ARE YOU GOING TO BACK THIS MOVE? >>IF I AM NOTHING, I AM PRACTICAL. OKAY? >>Reporter: THIS IS ASTOUNDING. >>SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM WEIGHING IN, A SLIGHTLY LIGHTHEARTED MOMENT, AND SAYING THAT IF ANYTHING I AM A REALIST. THE PRESIDENT HAS CHIMED IN AND WE ARE EXPECTING THAT VIDEO. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THAT HE THOUGHT, QUOTE, HE HAS NOT THOUGHT AND I’M QUOTING, EVEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A POSSIBLE REPLACEMENT FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FBI INVESTIGATION. YOU NEED THE WHITE HOUSE TO WEIGH IN AND IT SEEMED LIKE WE HEARD LINDSEY GRAHAM, A DIFFERENT TONE FROM YESTERDAY. >>REPULICANS ARE SIGNALING, FINE, WE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THE NOMINATION THROUGH. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DURING úT JEFF FLAKE MUST HAVE SOME CONSENSUS FROM AMY MURKOWSKI — FROM JOE MANSION, THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE VOTES UNLESS THE INVESTIGATION GOES FORWARD. THE PRESIDENT HAS TO AUTHORIZE THE FBI INVESTIGATION AND THE ARGUMENT FROM REPUBLICANS HAS BEEN THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH UNDERWENT A SIX FBI INVESTIGATIONS AND NOTHING CAME UP, THAT THEY PUT THE NEW ALLEGATION FROM FORD INTO HIS FILE AND SEND IT BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF A FEDERAL CRIME, THAT IT WAS NOT THE FBI’S ROLE. THERE IS THE CONCERN THAT DEMOCRATS — SPLIT I APOLOGIZE TO INTERRUPT. WE WANT TO LISTEN TO LINDSEY GRAHAM. >>SOME OF THE GAMES BEING PLAYED. HE BELIEVES THAT IF THE FBI HAD A FEW MORE DAYS, SOME DEMOCRATS HAVE TOLD HIM THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE PROCESS CONCERNS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM. I THINK THAT WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS END THIS THE BEST THAT HE POSSIBLY CAN, TO ACCOMMODATE SOME PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND TO BRING THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER IF POSSIBLE. SO THIS IS DEMOCRACY. AM I MAD AT JEFF PLAY? AM I IN A DIFFERENT PLACE? YES. TURN WHAT IF THE FBI IS NOT DONE WITH THE BACKGROUND CHECK? >>I THINK THAT WHAT JEFF FLAKE IS A, 130 CAN HAVE THE FBI, CIA, AND FOREIGN LEGION AND THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU ANYTHING MORE THAN YOU KNOW NOW. THAT IS MY VIEW BUT WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. HE SAID THAT A WEEK IS ENOUGH FOR HIM OR MAYBE LESS. WE ARE NOT PLAYING THIS GAME OF OPENING THIS UP AND IT GOES ON FOREVER. WHAT HE SAID WAS THAT I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF THEY HAD A WEEK TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US, NO MORE. SOME DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID, OKAY WITH THAT. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME FORWARD. I’M GOING TO TALK TO MITCH McCONNELL AND JEFF AND EVENTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THE WHITE HOUSE. AGAIN, I DO NOT THINK THAT WE NEED THIS. I AM LONG SINCE READY TO VOTE I THINK HE HAS BEEN VERY POORLY TREATED, JUDGE KAVANAUGH., DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO SAVE JUDGE KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION? >>ABSOLUTELY NOT. I THINK THAT JEFF FLAKE FEELS GOOD ABOUT JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESS IS FAIR BUT YOU NEED TO ASK YOU BUT I’VE NEVER FELT BETTER ABOUT HIM BEING ON THE BENCH THAN I DO RIGHT NOW. >>ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SENATOR BLUMENTHAL, A DEMOCRAT FROM CONNECTICUT. >>LET’S BE REAL AND PENETRATING SO THAT THE TRUTH AND FACTS AND EVIDENCE ARE ALL UNCOVERED. THIS FBI INVESTIGATION CANNOT BE A SHOW OR A CHARADE. IT MUST BE REAL AND IT MUST GO TO THE WITNESSES WHO ARE LIKELY TO PRODUCE FACTS AND EVIDENCE. >>Reporter: IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT JEFF FLAKE HAD THE ASSURANCES OF OTHER SENATORS IN THE PARTY BEFORE YOU MADE THIS DECISION? >>SENATOR FLAKE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF SENATORS IN HIS OWN PARTY AS WELL AS ON OUR SIDE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT HE WAS SEEKING COMMON GROUND. >>Reporter: WHAT CAN HE AND HIS COLLEAGUE TO IF LEADERSHIP DECIDES TO GO AHEAD WITH THE VOTE ANYWAY? >>OBVIOUSLY, SENATOR FLAKE COULD VOTE AGAINST THE NOMINATION. >>Reporter: DID HE SAY HE WOULD DO THAT? >>NO. HE HAS NOT INDICATED TO ME WHAT HE WOULD DO BUT THE INCENTIVE FOR THE LEADERSHIP FOLLOWING HIS WISHES AS TO THE DELAY AS THEY NEED HIS VOTE. ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MAJORITY. THANK YOU. >>Reporter: WHO INITIATED THESE CONVERSATIONS TODAY? WAS IT HIM OR ANOTHER DEMOCRAT? >>I CANNOT COMMENT. >>WE JUST HEARD SENATOR BLUMENTHAL THERE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS TOSSED BY A CAPITOL HILL REPORTER WAS, DO YOU KNOW IF SENATOR FLAKE HAD SPOKEN TO OTHER REPUBLICAN SENATORS, WHICH IS KEY? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW POWERFUL SENATOR McCONNELL IS BEEN HAVING JEFF FLAKE WITH OTHER REPUBLICANS TAG TEAMING ú >>>THAT IS RIGHT REPUBLICANS COULD LOSE A VOTE AND MIKE PENCE COULD BE THE TIEBREAKER BUT GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY WITH JEFF FLAKE MEETING WITH A COUPLE OF SENATORS THAT WERE KIND OF ON THE FENCE, IT SEEMS TO US THAT, FOR WHAT WE ARE SEEING, THAT JEFF FLAKE DOES HAVE SOME SICK — SOME CONSENSUS AND OTHERWISE THERE WOULD NOT BE INCENTIVE FOR MITCH McCONNELL TO NOT BRING THIS TO THE FLOOR. >>>WE ARE HEARING FROM THE PRESIDENT AND HE CHIMED IN ON BRETT KAVANAUGH. IN MY UNDERSTANDING, NOT CONFIRMED FULLY, BUT THIS IS BEFORE THE JEFF FLAKE SITUATION UNFOLDED HE SAID THAT HE IS DEFERRING TO THE GOP’S SENATORS. HE SPOKE FONDLY ABOUT FORD TESTIMONY AND WHATEVER THEY THINK IS NECESSARY, WITHOUT A DELIBERATE INTERESTING THAT HE SAID WITHOUT A DELAY. >>ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND ABOUT AN FBI INVESTIGATION IS THAT IT WOULD NOT TAKE THAT LONG. >>HERE IS THE PRESIDENT. LET’S LISTEN. >>Reporter: MR. PRESIDENT, ANY COMMENT ON THE REQUEST FOR THE DELAY FROM SENATOR FLAKE, A ONE WEEK DELAY FOR THE FBI? I’M GOING TO LET THE SENATE HANDLE THAT. THEY WILL MAKE THEIR DECISIONS AND DO A GOOD JOB. VERY PROFESSIONAL. I AM JUST HEARING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN WITH THE PRESIDENT OF CHILLY AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPORTANT SUBJECTS. I AM SURE THAT IT WILL ALL BE VERY GOOD. I GUESS THE BOAT WAS POSITIVE BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A DELAY. I WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT IT AS THE DAY GOES ON. I JUST HEARD ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE WERE TOGETHER. >>Reporter: WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THE DOCTOR FOR TESTIMONY? >>I THOUGHT THAT HER TESTIMONY WAS VERY COMPELLING AND SHE LOOKS LIKE A VERY FINE WOMAN TO ME. A VERY FINE WOMAN. AND I THOUGHT THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY, LIKEWISE, WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE. IT WAS INCREDIBLE. IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT, I THINK, IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. BUT CERTAINLY SHE WAS A VERY CREDIBLE WITNESS. SHE WAS VERY GOOD IN MANY RESPECTS, AND I THINK THAT — I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE ONWARD OR WE ARE GOING TO GET A VOTE OF BUT, AGAIN, I AM HERE. I’M NOT OUT THERE WATCHING BECAUSE I CANNOT BE. I HAVE GREAT RESPECT, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE BE WILL WATCH TOGETHER. OKAY? WE WILL WATCH TOGETHER I THINK THAT IT WILL WORK OUT VERY WELL FOR THE COUNTRY. I JUST WANTED TO WORK OUT WELL FOR THE COUNTRY. IF THAT HAPPENS, I AM HAPPY. >>Reporter: HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT A REPLACEMENT FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH? >>NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE NO MESSAGE. IT HAS TO DO WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. THERE IS NO MESSAGE WHATSOEVER. THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO — I AM SURE THAT IS WHAT THEY’RE DOING. I’M GOING TO RELY ON ALL OF THE PEOPLE, INCLUDING SENATOR GRASSLEY, WHO IS DOING A VERY GOOD JOB. THAT WOULD BE A DECISION THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE AND I SUSPECT THEY WILL BE MAKING SOME DECISIONS SOON, WEATHER TO TAKE A BOAT OR DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. I WILL BE TOTALLY RELIANT ON WHAT SENATOR GRASSLEY AND THE GROUP DECIDES TO DO. I’M GOING TO TALK ABOUT VENEZUELA. I WAS WAITING FOR THE QUESTION. WE WILL BE DISCUSSING VENEZUELA A MAGNET MANY OTHER THINGS. A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS GOING ON IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD. CHILE IS REALLY SOMETHING SPECIAL IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, HOW FAR THEY HAVE COME. YOU LOOK AT HOW WELL RUN THE COUNTRY IS. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT IS AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU. A GREAT HONOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY. WHATEVER THEY THINK IS NECESSARY IS OKAY WITH ME. >>IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT — IF PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS MADE AWARE OF THE DECISION BY JEFF FLAKE AND IN THIS PRESS AVAIL HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE WAS AWARE THAT SENATOR FLAKE HAS REVERSED HIS VOTE AND PENDING AN FBI INVESTIGATION. WHEN ASKED WHAT MESSAGE HE HAS FOR SENATOR MURKOWSKI AND SENATOR COLLINS, HE SAID I HAVE NO MESSAGE BUT THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. CBS NEWS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT WEIJIA JIANG JOINS US RIGHT NOW. I AM JUST CURIOUS WHAT A MORNING IT HAS BEEN FOR YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING? IS THE MESSAGE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS OFFICE VARIED OR BEEN CONSISTENT? >>Reporter: IT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT ACKNOWLEDGED SHE WAS AWARE OF SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT INVOLVE JEFF FLAKE, I REALLY DO NOT THINK THAT HE KNOWS YET EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW THIS COULD PLAY OUT AND A DECISION THAT HE HAS TO MAKE IN THE UPCOMING DAYS. HE CONTINUED TO DEFER TO GOP’S SENATORS, SAYING THAT HE TRUSTS THEM. HE THINKS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THE FACT IS THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO ORDER THIS INVESTIGATION FROM THE FBI SO EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT SAYS THAT HE WILL RELY ON SENATOR GRASSLEY AND MITCH McCONNELL, THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT THEY WILL ALL, I EXPECT, HAVE VERY SOON AND THEY WILL BE COMING TO HIM TO SAY PRESIDENT TRUMP, LISTEN, I DO NOT THINK THAT WE HAVE THE VOTES ON THE FULL SENATE FLOOR NOW THAT JEFF FLAKE HAS COME OUT. I IMAGINE THAT SENATORS COLLINS AND MURKOWSKI ARE ALSO WITH HIM AND TO DEMAND THAT THIS INVESTIGATION BEFORE THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH A FULL VOTE. EVEN THOUGH, YOU ARE RIGHT AND THAT HE HAD KNOWLEDGED THAT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED AND IT MADE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE, I’M NOT QUITE SURE THAT HE HAS BEEN BRIEFED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED AND THAT JEFF FLAKE AND OTHERS COULD BE CALLING FOR THIS INVESTIGATION. IT IS HIS DECISION, EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT SAYS THAT IT IS UP TO THE SENATORS. HE IS THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO CALL FOR THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE WHITE HOUSE WAS CERTAINLY A VERY OPTIMISTIC. THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO MAKE IT OUT OF THE COMMITTEE. THEY WERE CONFIDENT THAT ULTIMATELY BRETT KAVANAUGH WOULD BE CONFIRMED BUT THIS DOES CHANGE THE GAME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR ALL ALONG. THERE WAS NO QUESTION ABOUT THE FACTS AS ALL THE SENATORS MADE THE FINAL VOTE ON THE SENATE FLOOR ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT NOMINEE. WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL TRANSPIRE FROM THE FBI INVESTIGATION? IF THERE WILL BE ONE. BUT I IMAGINE IF IT IS MADE CLEAR BY JEFF FLAKE AND OTHER REPUBLICANS THAT THEY WILL NOT VOTE YES WITHOUT AN INVESTIGATION, THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT HAVE MUCH CHOICE BUT TO ORDER ONE, I THINK. IN TERMS OF WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING, NOTHING YET SO FAR ABOUT THIS CIVIC DEVELOPMENT. BEFORE THIS, THE MOOD WAS CERTAINLY UPBEAT ABOUT THAT 1:30 PM VOTE AND I IMAGINE, ONCE SOMEBODY EXPLAINS TO THE PRESIDENT THE SITUATION, WE CAN EXPECT MORE FROM HIM AND AS WE HEAR FROM SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, HE APPARENTLY THINKS THAT HE IS THE ONE TO DO A. >>WEED THAT BUT THAT WAS A FUNNY MOMENT AND A GOOD POINT OF DISTINCTION THAT YOU MADE THAT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT NOT BE FULLY BRIEFED ON THIS SO WE SHOULD GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM TO SEE IF HE TIMES IN LATER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANT TO TURN TO IT O’KEEFE, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT ON CAPITOL HILL. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US? >>Reporter: AT THIS POINT, AS WEIJIA JIANG JUST SAID, THIS IS IN THE HANDS OF MITCH McCONNELL. IT HAS LEFT THE COMMITTEE ROOM. IT IS THE FULL SENATE’S PROBLEM SO IT HAS BECOME MITCH McCONNELL’S JOB, NUMBER ONE NOW, TO SAVE THIS NOMINATION AS HAS BEEN HIS CAMPAIGN PLEDGE AND HIS VOW TO PRESIDENT TRUMP BUT LAST WE CHECKED, AGAIN, IT IS THE WHITE HOUSE THAT HAS TO REQUEST AN FBI INVESTIGATION. WHAT MITCH McCONNELL HAS TO DO IS CHECK AND SAY WHO IS WITH JEFF FLAKE? HOW MANY REPUBLICANS AGREE THAT WE SHOULD WAIT? IF MORE THAN ONE OR MORE, SUSAN COLLINS, LISA MURKOWSKI, SOMEBODY ELSE SAYING THAT I AM WITH HIM, THEN MATHEMATICALLY HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO WAIT UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION HAPPENS BECAUSE DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE NO REASON TO VOTE YES, MEANING ANY ATTEMPT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NOMINATION IN THE FULL SENATE STYLES. THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT AS LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID EARLIER HAS TO HAPPEN WITH THE WHITE HOUSE. I HAVE TO SAY THE REALITY IS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE MATH UNLESS YOU LET THE FBI INVESTIGATION HAPPEN. HOW MANY DAYS IT LASTS, WHAT EXACTLY LOOKS INTO COME TO GET SUBPOENAED, ALL OF THAT IS A DETAIL THAT WE DO NOT HAVE AND WE DO NOT KNOW AND WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DO NOT KNOW BUT THERE IS ALSO A THIRD ACCUSER, MICHAEL AVENATTI, REPRESENTING THE THIRD ACCUSER. IS THERE ANY APPETITE ON CAPITOL HILL TO TAKE THAT ON? DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD JUST FOCUS ON DR. FORD? WE DO NOT REALLY KNOW WHAT TO UNDERSTAND. IT ONLY HAPPENED THE ONLY THING THAT WILL MATTER IS THE APPETITE AMONG REPUBLICANS. IF MORE THAN ONE REPUBLICAN AGREES WITH THE DEMOCRATS THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING, IT WILL HAPPEN UNDER THIS SCENARIO BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE MATH. AGAIN, YOU HAVE GOT TO START WITH WHAT DOES SUSAN COLLINS WANT TO DO? WHAT DOES LISA MURKOWSKI WANT TO DO? DO THEY AGREE WITH THE JEFF FLAKE AND THE DEMOCRATS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A DELAY? IF THEY SIGNAL AT THIS POINT SOME TIME THIS AFTERNOON TOMORROW THAT THEY AGREE, AND INSTALLS, THEY HAVE TO GET INVOLVED. THERE ARE DEMOCRATS THAT SAY THAT ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED. THE FBI SHOULD TAKE EVERYTHING AND FIGURE IT OUT. THAT WOULD LEAD TO SOMETHING THAT LASTS SEVERAL WEEKS WHICH WOULD CERTAINLY BE OKAY WITH MOST DEMOCRATS. IT IS NOT PROBABLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DISCUSSIONS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE DAY ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT TRANSPIRES, AND WE WILL WAIT AND SEE IF WE HEAR BY THE END OF THE DAY, THAT THE PRESIDENT TELLS CHRIS WRAY THAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK INTO THIS. >>DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF EXACTLY WHO SENATOR FLAKE HAS BEEN SPEAKING TO ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE? YOU MIGHT BE BEHIND HIM AND SUPPORTING THE FBI INVESTIGATION? >>Reporter: WHETHER THEY SUPPORT THE FBI INVESTIGATION IS STILL UNCLEAR BUT WE KNOW THAT LAST NIGHT CONSULTATIONS BEGAN WITH LISA MURKOWSKI OF ALASKA, SUSAN COLLINS OF MAINE AND JOE MANSION OF WEST VIRGINIA THAT IS THE ONE DEMOCRAT MUST HAVE EXPECTED WOULD ULTIMATELY SUPPORT BRETT KAVANAUGH, GIVEN THE POLITICS OF HIS STATE AND THE FACT THAT HE IS UP FOR REELECTION THIS YEAR. THE PRESIDENT WON THERE BY MORE THAN 40 POINTS AND FACE A LOT OF PRESSURE TO VOTE YES BUT HAS NOT NECESSARILY TELEGRAPHED THAT HE IS GOING TO DO THAT HE HAS BEEN TALKING TO THOSE TWO REPUBLICANS AND CONVERSATIONS. OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS STARTED, SPARKED BY SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE DURING THE COMMITTEE PROCEEDINGS BY CHRIS OF DELAWARE, A DEMOCRAT. HE AND JEFF FLAKE ARE GOOD FRIENDS, ON THE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE AND THEY DO A LOT OF OVERSEAS TRAVEL AND THERE AROUND THE SAME AGE AND HAVE WORKED TO TRY TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. HE SPOKE OF THE COMMITTEE. >>I APOLOGIZE. I’M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU. WE HAVE GOT HIM AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CHRIS OF DELAWARE. THEY SIMPLY PRESENT EVIDENCE. I THINK THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SENATORS THAT AFTER DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE THAT HAD NOT BEEN THOROUGHLY EXAMINED AND IT SHOULD BE DONE BUT WE AS SENATORS REACHED THE ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS ABOUT VOTING FOR OR AGAINST JUDGE KAVANAUGH BUT I THINK THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH DOUBT RAISED YESTERDAY BY DR. FORD’S TESTIMONY THAT A NUMBER OF SENATORS FELT THAT A FURTHER INVESTIGATION WAS JUSTIFIED. >>DID SENATOR FLAKE A MENTION THE PROTESTERS THIS MORNING? DID HE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE STATE OF MIND? >>I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO SENATOR FLAKE BUT LET ME SIMPLY SAY THIS BUT SENATOR FLAKE IS A GENUINE CONSERVATIVE. HE HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT THE CONSCIENCE OF A CONSERVATIVE. WE DO NOT SHARE A LOT OF POLITICAL VIEWS BUT WE SHARE A DEEP CONCERN — SORRY. SENATOR FLAKE AND I SHARE A DEEP CONCERN FOR THE HEALTH OF THIS INSTITUTION AND WHAT IT MEANS TO THE REST OF THIS WORLD AND IN THE COUNTRY IF WE ARE UNABLE TO CONDUCT OURSELVES RESPECTFULLY AND IN A WAY THAT HEARS EACH OTHER. IN THE BACK HALLWAY CONVERSATION, A NUMBER OF OUR COLLEAGUES ALSO HAD VERY SHARP CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT SOME OF THE PARTISANSHIP AND SOME OF THE POSTURING, AND I FRANKLY THINK THAT WHAT SENATOR FLAKE IS TRYING TO DO IS BOTH ACHIEVE A BRIEF CREDIBLE INVESTIGATION OF ALLEGATIONS IN FRONT OF US AND SERVE AS A ROLE MODEL, AS HE HAS FOR ME TODAY, OF SOMEONE WHO IS REAL JUDGMENT WILLING TO TAKE A REAL POLITICAL RISK AND UPSET MANY IN HIS PARTY BY ASKING FOR A BREAK SO THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN HEAR THAT WE ARE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER ON SOME THINGS AND THAT EVEN THOUGH HE AND I ARE FROM DIFFERENT PARTIES WITH DIFFERENT VALUES AND DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, WE RESPECT EACH OTHER AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. I HAVE TRAVELED TO COUNTRIES IN OTHER PLACES IN THE WORLD WITH SENATOR FLAKE AND I KNOW HOW PASSIONATELY HE FEELS THAT OUR DIVISION RIGHT NOW TEACHES THE WRONG THING TO THE WORLD ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY AND SUGGEST THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO RESPECT EACH OTHER OR WORK TOGETHER BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HIS VOTING RECORD IN THE LAST CONGRESS AND MINE, THEY ARE ALMOST AS FAR APART AS THEY CAN BE, YET WE RESPECT EACH OTHER AND CAN WORK TOGETHER AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT LESSON. >>WHAT WOULD YOU THINK OF THE IMPACT ON THE INSTITUTION AND COUNTRY WOULD BE IF HE DID NOT SUPPORT THIS? >>EXACTLY MY CONCERN AS EXPRESSED IN MY SPEECH TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. MY CONCERN WAS THAT BY BOWLING THROUGH THE NOMINATION WITHOUT ANY INVESTIGATION, IT WOULD SEND THE WRONG SIGNAL ABOUT PARTISANSHIP. HE WAS IN THE CHAMBER. TRAUMA CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE CONVERSATIONS? YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE SHARP CONVERSATIONS IN THE BACK. >>ANYONE THAT WATCHED THE JUDICIARY HEARING PROCESS YESTERDAY OR THE SPEECHES BEFORE TODAY KNOWS THAT THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHO ARE ACCUSING EACH OTHER OF ALL SORTS OF THINGS. MY ONE COMMENT WAS SENATOR BIDEN WHEN HE WAS A SENATOR AND SAID TO ME, YOU CAN ALWAYS QUESTION ANOTHER COLLEAGUE PRIORITIES AND YOU CAN QUESTION THEIR POLICIES BUT YOU SHOULD NOT QUESTION THEIR CHARACTER AND MOTIVES. THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH OF QUESTIOING EACH OTHER’S CHARACTERS AND MOTIVES AND THEIR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE ALL NEEDED TO LIGHTEN THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE ARE GOING AFTER EACH OTHER PERSONALLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SPANK SENATOR CHRIS WEIGHING IN AND I WANT TO BRING IN IT O’KEEFE. YOU COULD NOT HAVE PUT THAT SOUND ANY BETTER. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JEFF FLAKE AND CHRIS AND I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE AND HEAR IT BUT IT APPEARED THAT HE WAS TEARING UP. >>YEAH. AS IF ON CUE, HE SHOWED UP AND WAS QUITE HELPFUL AND COLORING OUR UNDERSTANDING. HERE HE IS AGAIN. THIS IS FOR THE — ALL RIGHT. >>SENATOR FLAKE AND I RESPECT EACH OTHER. WE HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD TOGETHER AND LEGISLATED TOGETHER AND WE ARE CONCERNED THAT WHAT WE SAW IN YESTERDAY’S CONFIRMATION HEARING AND IN TODAY’S SPEECHES AND THE COMMITTEE IS TEARING THE COUNTRY APART HE FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT HE WANTED TO SEND A SIGNAL TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. WE CAN BREAK ON THE FINAL VOTE ON JUDGE KAVANAUGH TO ASK THE FBI FOR A BRIEF FOCUSED IN SCOPE AND TIME INVESTIGATION AND I SAID I WOULD COME FORWARD AND SAY THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT THING FOR HIM TO DO. I BELIEVE THAT HE HAS THE SUPPORT OF SEVERAL COLLEAGUES I HOLDING UP THE FINAL VOTE UNTIL THAT HAPPENS. I’M HOPEFUL THAT HE WILL HOLD FIRM UNTIL THAT HAPPENS. I AM GOING TO INSIST THAT THIS BE VIEWED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WORK TOGETHER ACROSS THE AISLE. >>DID HE TELL YOU THAT HE HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE SENATORS COLLINS AND MURKOWSKI TO GET THE LEVERAGE? MAY I ENCOURAGE YOU TO ASK HIM THAT BUT I KNOW THAT I HAVE ACTIVELY BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH OTHER COLLEAGUES, DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN, ABOUT THIS IDEA OF A ONE-WEEK PAUSE FOR A LIMITED IN SCOPE FBI INVESTIGATION AND I THINK THAT IS AN ADMIRABLE THING FOR A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES TO BE ALSO ADVOCATED. >>Reporter: ANY CHANCE THAT YOU COULD VOTE YES AFTER THIS.? WHAT I AM TENDING TO DO AND WHAT I’M DOING NOW IS CELEBRATING AND RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT SENATOR FLAKE IS HOLDING THE DOOR OPEN FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION IN THE INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEEING THAT THE JUDGE CAME — DR. FORD CAME FORWARD WITH ALLEGATIONS AND THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND HIS FAMILY ARE TORMENTED BY THE MORE EXTREME ALLEGATIONS MADE AND THAT IN BOTH CASES A FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS WARRANTED. >>WE HAVE GOT TO GO. >>IN ESSENCE, THEY HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP. THERE WAS SOME REAL STRAIGHT TALK AMONGST EACH OTHER TODAY ABOUT WHAT POTENTIAL DAMAGE YESTERDAY COULD CAUSE TO THE INSTITUTION OF THE SENATE AND TO THE COUNTRY OVERALL. IT IS A HIGH WIRE ACT FOR DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THEY’RE PUTTING A LOT OF FAITH IN JEFF FLAKE AND A SMALL HANDFUL OF REPUBLICANS TO GET THAT ONE WEEK, UP TO ONE WEEK EXTENSION, AND PROCEED WITH A VOTE. DO COOLER HEADS PREVAIL AFTER THAT? DOES THE SENATE ULTIMATELY TAKE THE TEACUP AND COOL IT OFF A LITTLE BIT? WE WILL SEE. CERTAINLY AN INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT AND DRIVEN BY GUYS LIKE CHRIS AND JEFF FLAKE THAT HAVE SPENT YEARS TRYING TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. >>JUST REALLY QUICKLY TO RECAP, DO WE — IS THE NEXT THING THAT WE ARE WAITING ON TO HEAR FROM THE WHITE HOUSE? IS THE — IT IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE COURT TO DETERMINE IF THE FBI INVESTIGATION HAPPENS? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THIS AFTERNOON? >>Reporter: WE ARE WAITING FOR A SIGNAL FROM A LEADER McCONNELL THAT HE IS ON BOARD WITH HIS AND HE UNDERSTANDS IT IS SOMETHING THAT HIS COLLEAGUES WANT AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO TALK TO THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT POSSIBLY GETTING THIS DONE. WE WILL SEE. WE SHOULD EXPECTED TO BE FLUID ALL AFTERNOON LONG BUT DEFINITELY START WITH MITCH McCONNELL AND GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. AT SOME POINT LATER TODAY, WE WILL GET A BETTER SIGNAL. >>IT O’KEEFE. >>>I WAS JUST CHECKING. DEVELOPMENTS ARE SO FLUTED THAT THEY COULD BE ARRIVING IN THE INBOX. SO FAR THEY HAVE NOT. >>WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE CHECKING AND GRATEFUL FOR STREAMING BECAUSE YOU CAN TAKE US WHEREVER YOU GO. IT O’KEEFE, WE WILL CHECK BACK WITH YOU . I WANT TO CHECK WITH THE PANEL. THE CBSN POLITICAL REPORTER, AND A COLUMNIST FOR THE HILL, LESLIE SANCHEZ, CBS NEWS CONTRIBUTOR AND REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST, A DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST. YOU HAVE BEEN INTERRUPTED MULTIPLE TIMES. WE HAVE GONE FROM THE FBI INVESTIGATION BUT I WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS. >>Reporter: THEY LAID OUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET AN FBI INVESTIGATION. IT IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE FBI INVESTIGATION WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE CONCLUSIVE. SO FAR AS THE DECISION, IT WILL STILL BE UP TO THESE LAWMAKERS. THE FBI WILL COMPLETE IT UNDER THE PROSPECT THAT MITCH McCONNELL SIGNS OFF AND DONALD TRUMP SIGNS OFF AND THE FBI TALKS TOO MANY OF THOSE MEMBERS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THIS OR ALLEGED TO BE INVOLVED, TALK TO THEM, DOES THE BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH ACTUALLY COULD BE COMPLETED IN A COUPLE OF DAYS. WITH ANITA HILL, IT WAS COMPLETED IN A COUPLE OF DAYS AND SANCTIONED BY PRESIDENT úBU AGAIN, IT WILL PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION AND PRESENT IT BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE INTO THE SENATE. AGAIN, THE FBI CANNOT DECIDE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT THEY CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AND AS LESLIE WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, THIS SEEMS TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR REPUBLICANS ABOUT WANTING THIS — NOT WANTING THIS TO HOVER OVER THE NOMINEE. BACK JUST TO RECAP, THE DRAMA STARTED JUST A SHORT TIME AGO, 1:30 PM EASTERN, EXPECTING A VOTE IN THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. IT WAS DELAYED AND DEMOCRATS DID NOT SHOW UP AND SENATOR JEFF FLAKE LATER ANNOUNCES THAT HE IS HOLDING HIS YES VOTE. HE ANNOUNCED EARLY IN THE MORNING THAT THERE WAS A YES VOTE AND HE SAID HE WOULD LIKE A LIMITED IN SCOPE ONE-WEEK SENATE AND FBI INVESTIGATION INTO THESE ALLEGATIONS. WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN AND DOES HE HAVE THE SUPPORT? WE ARE WAITING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT — HOW DO YOU THINK THAT MITCH McCONNELL IS GOING TO RESPOND? MIKE WELL, HE THOUGHT THAT THE SENATE WAS BORING. RIGHT? THIS IS EXTRAORDINARY TURN OF EVENTS TO HAVE JEFF FLAKE SWITCH HIS VOTE OR POSITION IN THIS MATTER AFTER EVERYBODY THOUGHT THAT HE HAD ESSENTIALLY BOWED TO PARTY LOYALTY EARLIER ON IN THE DAY. MITCH McCONNELL HAS BEEN VIGOROUS IN SUGGESTING THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. BUT DOES THIS MAKE IT POLITICALLY UNTENABLE TO DO SO WITHOUT THE ONE WEEK DELAY? I THINK IT DOES. JEFF FLAKE APPEARS TO SUGGEST THAT HE WILL NOT VOTE UNLESS THE DELAY HAPPENS. IF JEFF FLAKE DOES NOT GO TO CONFIRM, I DO NOT SEE WHY COLLINS OR MAKOWSKI WOULD. CEMENT WE HEARD SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM SOFTEN HIS TONE. IT WAS DIFFERENT 24 HOURS AGO. SPENT EVEN THOUGH PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY NOT HAVE FULLY GRASPED WHAT IS GOING ON, THAT WAS A MUCH MORE MUTED TONE THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM HIM OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS. IT IS CLEARLY A VERY FEBRILE ATMOSPHERE. ONE FINAL POINT. IT IS NOT JUST THE FACT THAT THERE IS THE ALLEGATIONS FROM DR. FOR THAT MADE THEM WANT TO GET IT OVER AND DONE WITH THAT BUT THE FEAR THAT THE LONGER THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH HANGS OUT THERE THE MORE ALLEGATIONS COULD COME FORWARD. THE MORE THAT THE OTHER TWO WOMEN THAT HAVE MADE SEPARATE ALLEGATIONS COULD DEMAND THEIR MOMENT IN FRONT OF SOME FORM OF TESTIMONY. SO ALL OF THE PROBLEMS JUST MULTIPLY. MITCH McCONNELL CERTAINLY HAS GOT A HEADACHE AT BEST. >>I AM LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR. WE HAVE GOT A MONTH. WE HAVE GOT A MONTH. THE SUPREME COURT IS SEATED ON MONDAY. IT IS THE LAST FRIDAY IN SEPTEMBER. WE HAVE GOT FOUR WEEKS. THERE IS NO PLAN B THAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SAID IF HE DOES NOT GO THROUGH. >>Reporter: LET’S UNPACK A BIT OF THIS BUT IT WAS NOT EVEN THE CHANGE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS OF LINDSEY GRAHAM BUT IN THE LAST FEW HOURS. WE STARTED THIS MORNING AND IT WAS MUCH MORE HOSTILE, KIND OF BRISTLING AT THE IDEA OF SLOWING THE MOMENTUM AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD 100 MILES PER HOUR TO HAVE THIS VOTE. REGARDLESS OF WHO IS WITH US OR NOT. DR. FORD WAS GIVEN TO HER DUE, CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY AND LET’S GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH IT IT WAS — IT IS THE FEMALE CENTERS THAT SAID, WHAT WOULD AN FBI INVESTIGATION INTO THIS ISSUE — IT WOULD CERTAINLY ILLUMINATE AND IT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP AND THEN COLLINS — THERE IS SOME REPORTING, I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO, SAY THAT THEY WERE A BIT CONCERNED AT THE TONE AND TEMPERAMENT THAT THE JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAD YESTERDAY DEFENDING HIMSELF. THERE IS THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE TWO SIDES OF IT BRETT KAVANAUGH WHEN HE DRINKS AND WHEN HE DOES NOT. THESE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES CAUSING PAUSE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT TONE, THAT SIGNAL THAT IT IS SENDING THAT IT IS SERIOUS ENOUGH. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE WAY THAT HE WOULD VOTE ON AN ISSUE BUT THIS IS PERSONAL CHARACTER AND TEMPERAMENT AND JUST TAKING ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS REALLY BEEN A THOROUGHLY DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WILL GIVE COMFORT TO A LOT OF EVEN REPUBLICANS LIKE MYSELF WHO ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >>WE ARE GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT SENATOR MURKOWSKI AND HE IS SAYING THEY — SHE SAYS THAT SHE SUPPORTS SAYING THEY — DELAYING THAT VOTE. DO WE KNOW IF SHE IS IN FAVOR OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION? WE DO NOT KNOW IF SHE IS IN FAVOR OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION. WE ARE HEARING THAT SHE IS IN FAVOR OF DELAYING THE VOTE. I WANT TO ASK YOU. LESLIE WAS TALKING ABOUT TOWN. THE PHRASE THAT I HAVE FROM THE PRESIDENT IS, WHEN ASKED ABOUT MURKOWSKI AND COLLINS, WHAT IS THE MESSAGE YOU HAVE? I HAVE NO MESSAGE THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT THAT STRUCK ME AS SUCH A DIFFERENT TONE? MAKE IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY HAS BEEN IN HIS EAR A LITTLE BIT AND TELLING HIM THAT THE BEST THING RIGHT NOW IS NOT A DONALD TRUMP TWEETING STORM OR INTENSE PRESSURE BUT THESE ARE VERY — WE SAW HOW QUICKLY WITHIN 30 MINUTES THIS CHANGED INSIDE THE COMMITTEE ROOM FOR THESE ARE VERY, VERY TENSE MOMENTS. THEY ARE VERY HIGH-STAKES THINGS GOING ON. THE PRESIDENT HAS TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH HIS RHETORIC AND WITH HIS TONE. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT. TIME. YOU BROUGHT UP TIME EARLIER BUT TIME IS NOT THE FRIEND OF SENATE REPUBLICANS THAT BELIEVE THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH SHOULD BE ON THE SUPREME COURT. I BROUGHT THIS UP YESTERDAY. I WAS IN THE SENATE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH A DIFFERENT ISSUE, HEALTHCARE, AND 20 — AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT MORE TIME DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP US PASS THE BILL THAT WE WANT TO DO PASS. IT WATERED IT DOWN AND IT ENDED UP HURTING US IN THE FOLLOWING MIDTERM ELECTIONS. IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS WAS SCOTT BROWN REPLACING TED KENNEDY. THAT WAS A BAD CYCLE FOR DEMOCRATS. IN PART, PART OF WHY THAT HAPPENED IS BECAUSE TIME DRAGGED OUT AND THERE WAS MORE BAD STUFF ABOUT THE BILL. YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE NACVE TO THINK THAT ONLY GOOD THINGS ARE GOING TO COME OUT ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. JUST IN THE TIME WE HAVE BEEN HERE, ANOTHER BIG STORY THAT CAME OUT, TALKING ABOUT WHAT SENATE REPUBLICAN STAFFERS DUE TO POTENTIALLY GUM UP THE WORKS IN TERMS OF MORE ACCUSERS OR MORE CONCERNS ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH BEING HEARD. TIME IS NOT THE FRIEND OF REPUBLICANS AND THE LAST THING THAT I WILL SAY IS GANGS. GANG OF FOUR. IT IS NOT JUST JEFF FLAKE. JEFF FLAKE HAS THE POLITICAL CAPITAL — HE IS THE ONLY PERSON UP THERE BUT IT IS NOT COINCIDENTAL THAT JEFF FLAKE DOES NOT HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION TO GO BACK ON THE BALLOT BOX. THESE OTHER SENATORS ARE DEPENDING ON HIM TO GIVE THEM THE COVER, THE AIR COVER, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS POSITION. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WELL. >>THAT IS WHERE THE RELATIONSHIPS MATTER A TIDE IN THE SENATE. JEFF FLAKE DOES NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESIDENT AT ALL. YOU CAN SAY IT IS NEGATIVE. IN FACT, HE HAS BEEN A TOP CRITIC OF THE PRESIDENT WHICH IS WHY IT WAS SO REMARKABLE THIS MORNING WHEN HE CAME OUT WITH THAT NO VOTE AND REMEMBER THE VIDEO THAT WAS PLAYING OF THE PROTESTER CORNERING HIM IN THE ELEVATOR. YOU COULD SENSING HER VOICE AND WHAT SHE WAS SAYING TO HIM HOW EMOTIONAL THIS IS EVER QUESTIONS TO HIM ARE QUESTIONS THAT A LOT OF WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE BEEN PUTTING TO LAWMAKERS ELSEWHERE. CLEARLY THAT MOMENT RAISED SOME QUESTIONS. POLITICALLY SPEAKING, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD YESTERDAY WAS WHY BRETT KAVANAUGH WOULD NOT JUST AGREE TO AN FBI INVESTIGATION. REPUBLICANS ESPECIALLY A REPUBLICAN LIKE JEFF FLAKE, FOR WHOM THE SUPREME COURT IS A KEY ISSUE — I MEAN, HE IS A TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE AS FAR AS THE COURTS ARE CONCERNED IN SOME OTHER ISSUES. WHY NOT HAVE THE FBI INVESTIGATION TO ALLEVIATE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE? EVEN IF THEY ARE INCONCLUSIVE? AT LEAST SAYING THAT WE DID EVERYTHING WE DID WE COULD TO TRY TO INVESTIGATE THIS AND THIS IS THE INFORMATION WE HAVE. WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. POLITICALLY SPEAKING, IT SEEMS TO BE AN ADVANTAGE FOR REPUBLICANS IF THEY ARE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS. >>WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LEVERAGE AND PRESSURE. I WOULD LOVE TO ASK SENATOR FLAKE TODAY EXACTLY HOW MUCH THE PROTESTERS IN THAT ELEVATOR MAY HAVE INFLUENCED HIM I WANT TO PLAY YOU THE VIDEO THAT OUR PRODUCER ON CAPITOL HILL GOT. EXPECT I — I TOLD THE STORY OF MY SEXUAL ASSAULT. TELLING THE TRUTH. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ALLOWING SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY VIOLATED A WOMAN TO SIT IN THE SUPREME COURT. THIS IS NOT TOLERABLE. YOU HAVE CHILDREN. THINK ABOUT THEM. I HAVE TWO CHILDREN. I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS, THEY WILL HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE SUPREME COURT THAT HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF VIOLATING THAT YOUNG GIRL. WHAT ARE YOU DOING, SIR? >>NOBODY BELIEVED ME. I DIDN’T TELL ANYONE AND YOU ARE TELLING ALL WOMEN THAT THEY DON’T MATTER. THAT THEY SHOULD STAY QUIET BECAUSE IF THEY TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM, YOU ARE GOING TO IGNORE THEM. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ALL WOMEN IN AMERICA. >>HE STOOD THERE IN SILENCE LISTENING AND THEN HE MADE A DRAMATIC REVERSAL. >>Reporter: I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH MEMBERS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WE HAD CONVERSATIONS GOING ON WITH REGARD TO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO DUE DILIGENCE. I THINK IT WOULD BE PROPER TO DELAY THE FLOOR VOTE IN ORDER TO LET THE FBI CONTINUE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION, LIMITED IN TIME AND SCOPE TO THE CURRENT ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE THE AND LIMIT IT IN TIME TO NO MORE THAN ONE WEEK. I WOULD VOTE TO ADVANCE THE BILL TO THE FLOOR WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING. I HAVE SPOKEN TO A FEW OTHER MEMBERS ON MY SIDE OF THE AISLE THAT MAY BE SUPPORTIVE AS WELL. THAT IS MY POSITION. I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ALL DUE DILIGENCE WITH A NOMINATION THIS IMPORTANT AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS ACTED PROPERLY AND THE CHAIRMAN HAS BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO DO INVESTIGATIONS FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND TO DELAY THIS VOTE IN THIS COMMITTEE FOR A WEEK SO THAT DR. FORD COULD BE HEARD AND SHE WAS YESTERDAY. SO THAT — WITH THAT AGREEMENT, I WILL VOTE TO ADVANCE THE BILL TO THE FLOOR. >>WE ARE LEARNING THAT SENATOR MURKOWSKI, LISA MURKOWSKI IS, IN FACT, BEHIND SENATOR FLAKE, SAYING THAT SHE DOES SUPPORT A DELAY BUT WE DO NOT KNOW IF SHE SUPPORTS AN FBI INVESTIGATION. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OPTICS AND THE POLITICS. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? >>WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS THE SCIENCE FROM SENATOR COLLINS, THE THIRD REPUBLICAN THAT IS HERE. I THINK THAT REALLY, THE KEY THING IS, ARE REPUBLICANS INCLUDING MR. McCONNELL GOING TO ACCEDE TO THIS DEMAND? I DO NOT SEE HOW THEY CANNOT. THIS INVESTIGATION HAS TO TAKE PLACE FOR A WEEK. IT IS JUST AN EXTRAORDINARY ROLLER COASTER THAT WE ARE ON WHICH MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO PREDICT ANYTHING. ROUGHLY 24 HOURS AGO AFTER DR. FORD FINISHED TESTIFYING I WAS SPEAKING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE DONALD TRUMP LOYALISTS THAT WERE CONCERNED WITH BRETT KAVANAUGH’S FATE. SIX HOURS LATER, FOUR HOURS LATER THEY WERE BULLISH ABOUT IT AFTER HE TESTIFIED. TODAY IT SEEMS LIKE JEFF FLAKE WAS FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH AND NOW HE IS PULLING BACK FROM THAT. HOW MANY TWISTS ARE WE GOING TO HAPPEN THIS TALE? >>NO MATTER WHAT, WILL REPUBLICANS ULTIMATELY WIN? IF A BRETT KAVANAUGH MAKES IT TO THE COURT, THEY WIN AND IF HE DOES NOT, DOES IT THEN MOBILIZE THEIR BASE TO GET OUT IN NOVEMBER? >>I DO. I THINK THAT IT DOES ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT THERE ARE BIG POSITIVES. I AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT TIME KILLS DEALS AND IT WORKS AND THIS IS THAT WE, TOO BUT WHAT WOMEN NEED IS TO FEEL HURT BUT WE KNOW THIS. SENSITIVITY TRAINING, EVERYONE, IN CASE YOU DON’T KNOW. THEY NEED TO FEEL HURT BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THEY LIKE TO DO THEIR OWN THING — DUE DILIGENCE AND THEY LIKE A THIRD PARTY SOURCE WHEN YOU TALK TO VOTERS AND TEMPERAMENT. THEY WANT TO KNOW IS THAT — IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS. THE FBI IS THE KEY. THEY ARE GOING TO PRESENT EVIDENCE BUT LET’S SAY THAT THEY COME FORWARD AND SAY WE HAVE READ IT AND SEEN IT PRIVATELY AND WE HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT HE IS QUALIFIED. THERE WILL BE A BIG SIGH OF RELIEF AND PEOPLE SAY, OKAY, WE TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT. YOU LOOK AT INDEPENDENT RESEARCH AND HUMAN FARMER WITH THE CONFIRMATION. THERE WILL BE A MUCH BETTER SUPPORT LAID OUT FOR THE JUDGE. IF YOU ROLLTHAT BACK, CONVERSELY, IF THEY SEE THIS INFORMATION AND PULL AWAY, THAT THEY WILL HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THAT AS WELL. >>I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE A POINT. AS LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO EXPLAIN THIS TO DONALD TRUMP WHEN SOMEBODY EXPLAINS IT TO DONALD TRUMP AND SAYS THAT THE FBI, THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN BEATING UP ON FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, SO WE ARE GOING TO ENTRUST THEM WITH THE FATE OF YOUR SUPREME COURT NOMINEE. HOW IS THAT GOING TO PLAY? THIS PRESIDENT HAS TREATED THE FBI AS THE HOBBY HORSE TO BEAT ON FOR THE LAST TWO, THREE YEARS, TAKING ANY OUNCE OF CREDIBILITY THAT HE COULD TAKE OUT OF THEM WITH EVERY PASSING DAY. ISN’T IT REMARKABLE? ISN’T IT INTERESTING? NOW THE FBI COULD HOLD THE KEY TO HIS NOMINATION. I THINK THAT IS FASCINATING. I WONDER AGAIN, WHEN AS LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID, SOMEBODY EXPLAINS THIS TO DONALD TRUMP, HOW HE IS GOING TO REACT TO THAT REALITY. I SUSPECT WE WILL READ ABOUT IT ON TWITTER. I WANT TO ASK YOU. AS YOU LOOK FORWARD AND OBVIOUSLY MIDTERMS IS WHAT MAKES THIS LARGER MAGNITUDE. WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ULTIMATELY? >>FOR REPUBLICANS, THE SUPREME COURT NOMINEE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A KEY SELLING POINT TO THEIR VOTERS, TO REMIND THEM, ESPECIALLY THOSE SOFT REPUBLICAN VOTERS OR INDEPENDENTLY MINDED REPUBLICANS WHO TEND TO VOTE REPUBLICAN AND ESPECIALLY WOMEN THAT MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE SAYING, YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE EVERYTHING THAT DONALD TRUMP IS DOING AND HIS RHETORIC AND WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT BUT REMEMBER WHY YOU SUPPORTED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE? REMEMBER WHAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH AS REPUBLICANS TOGETHER THE AGENDA? THE SUPREME COURT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT AND IT IS OBVIOUSLY A KEY LEGISLATIVE — SORRY — A KEY LEGACY FOR THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE THIS IS A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT. THAT IS WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR REPUBLICANS AND IT IS CLEAR THAT THEY WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THAT THROUGH. FOR DEMOCRATS, WE KNOW THAT THEY’RE HIGHLY ENERGIZED AND MOBILIZED, READY TO COME OUT IN THE ELECTION. WE HAVE SEEN THAT BACKED UP BY THE PRIMARIES AND REPORTED NUMBERS OF THE TURNOUT. THE QUESTION IS, THAT THE — DOES THE SUPREME COURT BECOME AN ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE FOR DEMOCRATS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN FOR REPUBLICANS? THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. ALSO WHAT IS REALLY TELLING ABOUT THE REASON THAT DEMOCRATS WANTED AN FBI INVESTIGATION IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN CONGRESS RIGHT NOW IS AT A VERY LOW LEVEL. WE HAVE SEEN COMMITTEES THAT WERE TRADITIONALLY KNOWN FOR THEIR BIPARTISANSHIP. THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND NOW THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THE SENATE. EVEN THOUGH DIANNE FEINSTEIN AND CHUCK GRASSLEY HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP, THERE IS NOT THE LEVEL OF COMPETENCE IN THE PUBLIC THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE CONGRESS HANDLE IT. THE FBI INVESTIGATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE SEEN AS AN INDEPENDENT ARBITER TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH GOING FORWARD, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY TRADITIONALLY GET INVOLVED IN. >>TALKING WITH DEMOCRATS AND THINKING ABOUT THE RED STATE DEMOCRATS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CHIME IN? >>RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE EVERY COVER TO CONTINUE THEIR OPPOSITION TO BRETT KAVANAUGH. THE PRESSURE FOR THEM WAS ONLY REALLY GOING TO BUILD IF REPUBLICANS WERE MONOLITHIC IN SUPPORTING BRETT KAVANAUGH AND WE ARE SAYING THAT THIS IS ALL A POLITICAL PLOY. THERE IS NO REAL INCENTIVE RIGHT NOW FOR THOSE RED STATE DEMOCRATS TO BACK A BRETT KAVANAUGH BUT TO PICK UP ON CAITLIN’S POINT AND LESLIE MENTIONED IT AS WELL. SUBURBAN WOMEN, WOMEN NOT AVID SUPPORTERS OF ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER ARE GOING TO BE CRUCIAL IN THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS. OVERALL BACK IN 2016 DONALD TRUMP LOST WOMEN OVERALL BUT I THINK THAT HE KEPT CLINTON’S MARGIN TO 7 POINTS. THERE HAVE BEEN RECENT POLL SHOWING REPUBLICANS LOSING THE FEMALE VOTE BY 15, 20 POINTS AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE EVENTS OF THE PAST 48 HOURS. IF THAT GAP IS PROVEN BIGGER, THAT IS POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. >>AS YOU ARE BREAKING DOWN HOW REPUBLICAN WOMEN ARE LOOKING AT THIS, THEY WERE A CRUCIAL VOTING BLOCK FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP . WHITE REPUBLICAN WOMEN IN PARTICULAR BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SECTOR, HAVE YOU DONE ANY POLLING? HAVE YOU SEEN ANY POLLING ON HOW THEIR THOUGHTS WERE GOING INTO THIS? >>YOU HAD A MORNING POLITICAL POLL THAT SAID THAT REPUBLICAN WOMEN WERE DROPPING SUPPORT FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH BY 11 POINTS AND THAT IS BEFORE YOU HEARD THE TESTIMONY AND IF YOU GOT THEM BETWEEN THE TESTIMONES IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT STORY OVERALL. THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT DR. FORD — IT WAS SO PASSIONATE AND SO COMPELLING THAT PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE HER AND 100% IDENTITY OF IDENTIFYING THE ASSAULTER BEING BRETT KAVANAUGH. THAT IS A PROBLEM. FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH NOT TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, AND I DO NOT WANT TO DO THE FBI THING, MARK JUDGE IS A RECOVERING ADDICT AND WE CANNOT REALLY RELY ON HIS JUDGMENT ANYWAY. THAT IS ALMOST WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IS MINIMIZE THAT PERSON AS A WITNESS. IT JUST SEEMED ODD AND THEN HIS TEMPERAMENT. SO IT LEFT A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT REPUBLICANS NEED TO ADDRESS IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THE REPUBLICANS. >>WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RED STATE DEMOCRATS. JOE MANSION SAYS THAT HE SUPPORTS JEFF FLAKE’S CALL FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION. SPIRIT I THINK THAT WE ARE HEARING THE GANG OF FOUR COME OUT AND REVEAL THEMSELVES. WE HAD JEFF FLAKE AND MURKOWSKI AND NOW WE HAVE GOT MANSION AND THE WATCH WILL BE ON FOR HEIDI HEITKAMP OR FOR SUSAN COLLINS. THAT MAKES SENSE AND I TAKE YOUR POINT EARLIER ABOUT RED STATE DEMOCRATS. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THEY STILL FEEL A LOT OF PRESSURE. PRETTY GOOD CONTACTS WITH SOME REALLY HIGH-PROFILE RED STATE DEMOCRATS AND THEY HONEST-TO- GOODNESS DO NOT FEEL LIKE ANY OF THIS HAS TAKEN THEM OFF THE GRIDDLE. THEY THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT IS STILL WILDLY POPULAR IN SOME OF THEIR STATES, PLACES LIKE NORTH DAKOTA, WEST VIRGINIA, MONTANA, EVEN THOUGH WE HEARD TESTER COME OUT AGAINST BRETT KAVANAUGH BUT WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT IS POPULAR THERE AND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IT IS NOT ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH BUT IT IS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY DO NOT SEE THIS AS BRETT KAVANAUGH BUT THEY SEE IT AS DONALD TRUMP IF I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH, I BET THAT NONE OF THE PEOPLE IN WEST VIRGINIA AND NORTH DAKOTA, NO OFFENSE, PROBABLY COULD NOT CITE CASELAW FROM BRETT KAVANAUGH OR ANY PARTS OF HIS RESUME BUT THEY KNOW THAT HE IS DONALD TRUMP’S CHOICE AND THAT IS JOE MANSION OR HEIDI HEITKAMP OR JOE DONNELLY GOES AGAINST THEM, THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE GOING AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THE RIVALS ARE GOING TO PLAY. WE SAW MIKE BRAUN IN INDIANA COMING OUT STRONGLY TO TRY TO BRACKET JOE DONNELLY ON THAT ISSUE. I IMAGINE WE WILL SEE THE SAME THING EVEN THOUGH MANSION HAS NOT COMMITTED. I DO NOT KNOW IF THE PRESS RELEASE WILL GO OUT AFTER JEFF FLAKE DID THIS. >>ONE SECOND THAT WE HAVE A PRESS RELEASE FROM JOE MANSION AND THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS BUT FOLLOWING THE STATEMENT OF SENATOR FLAKE, CALLING FOR THE ONE WEEK FBI INVESTIGATION, I’M CODY, I APPLAUD THE DECISION TO RISE ABOVE THE PARTISAN CIRCUS ON DISPLAY DURING THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. IT TOOK COURAGE TO TAKE A STAND AND CALL FOR A ONE WEEK FBI DESICCATION TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST JUDGE KAVANAUGH. THIS HAS BEEN A PARTISAN AND A DIVISIVE PROCESS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PULLED APART BY THIS ENTIRE SPECTACLE AND WE NEED TO TAKE TIME TO ADDRESS THESE CLAIMS INDEPENDENTLY SO THAT OUR COUNTRY CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS VOTE BUT IT IS WHAT IS RIGHT AND FAIR FOR DR. FORD, JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ANYBODY SURPRISED? >>NO. IN TERMS OF JUST GOING BACK TO THE BARE POLITICS OF THIS, ASSUMING THAT NOTHING COMES OUT OF THIS INVESTIGATION, IT DOES GIVE THOSE RED STATE DEMOCRATS SOME COVER TO SAY, LOOK, I DID SUPPORT LOOKING AT THIS FURTHER. I DID NOT COME OUT RIGHT AWAY I SUPPORT HIM. I DID NOT COME OUT RIGHT AWAY AND DENY HIM. I AM DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE AS A MEMBER OF THE SENATE WERE ADVISE AND CONSENT IS OR TO THE DUTY OF THE UPPER CHAMBER. I THINK THIS WORKS WELL FOR THEM RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, BARRING NOTHING COMES UP, IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP, THEY ARE ABLE TO SAY, THE FBI, INDEPENDENT BODY, FOUND THIS INFORMATION. SELECT JUST TO JUMP IN QUICKLY, I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL DISCUSSING THIS ON THE BASIS THAT THE FBI INVESTIGATION THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE NOT DOING THAT. JUDGE KAVANAUGH DENIES WRONGDOING. WHAT IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE? WHAT IF THEY DO IN FACT CUT — UNCOVER SOME DAMAGING INFORMATION? WHAT IF MORE ALLEGATIONS COME FORWARD THAT ARE SEEN AS CREDIBLE AND NOT JUST SOME PARTS EMPLOYEE OR SOMETHING FROM THE FRINGES? THEN YOU ARE IN A VERY SERIOUS SITUATION DOES THAT BLOWBACK ON THOSE REPUBLICAN SENATORS THAT IT’S RADICALLY WANTED TO GO AHEAD WITH THE BRETT KAVANAUGH’S NOMINATION? THE PEOPLE THAT WERE TRYING TO DEFY THESE CALLS TO HOLD BACK? THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO FOR SEVERAL DAYS AT LEAST. >>>THE INTERESTING PART IS THAT MANY REPUBLICANS FEEL THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS FALSELY ACCUSED AND THEY POINT TO THAT HE WAS A CIRCUS LEADER OF SOME GANG RAPE KIND OF POSSE AND THAT RIDICULOUS EXTREME, THESE ANONYMOUS LETTERS THAT CAME IN. THEY POINT TO ALL OF THAT. HE IS DEFENDING HIMSELF BECAUSE HE IS ACCUSED OF NOT DOING THIS UNDER THE PRETENSE OF A JUDGE. OKAY. THOSE ARE VERY FAIR ARGUMENTS AND IT IS POLITICIZED. LET’S ASSUME, I SEE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU CAN SEE BRETT KAVANAUGH CONFIRM THAT YOU COME BACK AND THERE’S NOTHING THAT COMES OUT THAT IS ANY DIFFERENT THERE IS A LITTLE OF THE HEAT IS TAKEN OFF OF THE SPIRIT AND LOOKED REASONABLE AND THEY CAME TO AGREE THAT HE IS QUALIFIED AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN 35 YEARS BUT WE CANNOT RESOLVE THAT. THEY MOVE FORWARD. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A GREAT BODY OF LOVE FOR HIM BUT AT LEAST IT IS A SENSIBLE SOLUTION I THINK THAT IS WHAT WOMEN PARTICULARLY SWEET WOMEN ARE LOOKING FOR. SWING VOTERS, REPUBLICAN OR MAN. MALE OR FEMALE. I THINK THAT THESE FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR A REASON TO SAY YES. MANSION, JEFF FLAKE, SUSAN COLLINS, MURKOWSKI TO A LESSER EXTENT. THEY WANT A REASON TO SAY YES. THEY ARE WAITING TO LOOK FOR A REASON TO SAY YES AND THEY’RE WAITING TO SEE IF MAYBE WITH TIME AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TIME, MAYBE TIME TAKES THE PRESSURE OFF. WHAT IS INTERESTING IF YOU ARE JOE MANSION I THINK IT IS IN YOUR INTEREST TO GET THIS RESOLVED, THAT THIS OUT-OF-THE- WAY AND GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT HEALTHCARE AND HOW MUCH THE REPUBLICANS SCREWED OVER YOUR ESTATE WITH HEALTHCARE AND THE TAX BILL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WORK IN YOUR FAVOR FROM THE POLLS. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I DO NOT THINK JOE MANSION WANTED TO HANG OUT ANY LONGER. >>WE HAVE GOT TO HIT A BREAK AND CAFFEINATED BEVERAGE. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE GOT ERROR CONTINUING COVERAGE. AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT IN THE U.S. SENATE. WE WILL HAVE MUCH MORE. YOU ARE STREAMING CBSN. >>>HI, EVERYONE. I AM REENA NINAN. A DRAMATIC AFTERNOON PLAYING OUT ON CAPITOL HILL AS A REPUBLICAN SENATOR CALLS FOR A DELAY IN THE CONFIRMATION OF SUPREME COURT NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH. JEFF FLAKE HAD A MAJOR REVERSAL. THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WAS PREPARING TO VOTE AND HE SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING TO VOTE IN COMMITTEE BUT HE WANTED A WEEKLONG DELAY FOR THE FBI TO LOOK INTO ALLGATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AGAINST THE SUPREME OR NOMINEE BEFORE A FULL SENATE VOTE. >>I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ON GOING FOR A WHILE WITH REGARD TO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO DUE DILIGENCE HERE, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE PROPER TO DELAY THE FLOOR VOTE FOR UP TO BUT NOT MORE THAN ONE WEEK IN ORDER TO LET THE FBI CONTINUE — TO DO AN INVESTIGATION, LIMITED IN TIME AND SCOPE, TO THE CURRENT ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE THERE. >>THIS COMES AFTER A DAY OF EMOTIONAL, HIGH-STAKES TESTIMONY BY BOTH BRETT KAVANAUGH AND HIS ACCUSER, DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD ON THE HELP IT FORD SAYS SHE IS 100% CERTAIN IT IS KAVANAUGH THAT TRY TO RAPE HER WHILE THEY WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL. BRETT KAVANAUGH DENIES THE ALLEGATIONS. PRIOR TO THE DELAY, IT WAS UNCLEAR IF REPUBLICANS HAD THE VOTES TO CONFIRM BRETT KAVANAUGH. LISA MURKOWSKI SAYS SHE BACKS JEFF FLAKE’S CALL FOR A DELAY AND JOE MANSION, DECIDE, BACKS THE IDEA AS WELL. THE PRESIDENT CALLED FOR THE SENATE TO VOTE. IN THE WAKE OF TODAY’S DEVELOPERS, HE SAID HE JUST WANTS THINGS TO WORK OUT WELL FOR THE COUNTRY. HE ALSO HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT YESTERDAY’S GUT WRENCHING TESTIMONY. >>I FEEL LIKE HER TESTIMONY WAS VERY COMPELLING AND SHE LOOKS LIKE A VERY FINE WOMAN TO ME. A VERY FINE WOMAN. AND I THOUGHT THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY, LIKEWISE, WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE. IT WAS INCREDIBLE. IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT, I THINK, IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. BUT CERTAINLY SHE WAS A VERY CREDIBLE WITNESS. SHE WAS VERY GOOD IN MANY RESPECTS, AND I THINK THAT — I DON’T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE ONWARD OR IF WE ARE GOING TO GET A VOTE. >>CBS NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT IT O’KEEFE JOINS US FROM CAPITOL HILL. I KNOW THAT MORE AND MORE SENATORS ARE SUPPORTED — SUPPORTIVE OF THE DELAY. >>Reporter: IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES, JOE MANSION, THE DEMOCRAT IN WEST VIRGINIA SAID THAT HE IS ON BOARD WITH JEFF FLAKE’S IDEA. SO IS LISA MURKOWSKI, THE REPUBLICAN OUT OF ALASKA, WALKING INTO THE CAPITAL SHORTLY AFTER THE DRAMA IN THE BUILDING BROKE UP, SAYING, YEAH, I, TOO, AM ON BOARD THAT IS AN UPPER THREE MODERATES, TWO REPUBLICANS, ONE DEMOCRAT SAY THAT I DO NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THE FBI GETS THE BALL. THERE IS A GROUP OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS OVER AT THE OFFICE OF MITCH McCONNELL DISCUSSING THIS AND MAKING CLEAR THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE MATH AND UNLESS AND UNTIL YOU AGREE WITH THE FBI INVESTIGATION YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT SO MANSION A LITTLE WHILE AGO PUTTING OUT A STATEMENT THAT SAYS IN PART OF MY APOLOGY — SENATOR JEFF FLAKE’S DECISION TO RISE ABOVE THE PARTISAN CIRCUS ON DISPLAY DURING THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. IT TOOK COURAGE, HE SAYS, TO TAKE A STAND AND CALL FOR A ONE- WEEK FBI INVESTIGATION TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ALLEGATIONS. HE SAYS LATER IT IS RIGHT AND FAIR FOR DR. FORD, JUDGE KAVANAUGH, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS PATIENT THEY MENTION TIME AND THERE ARE OTHER MODERATE DEMOCRATS. MANSION IS FACING PRESSURE TO SUPPORT BRETT KAVANAUGH. THIS WILL PLAY OUT FOR ANOTHER WEEK. WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. WHAT WE ARE WAITING RIGHT NOW IS SIGNAL FROM THE CAPITAL, DOWN TO THE WHITE HOUSE THAT YOU GOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FBI INVESTIGATION OR SHALL THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH NOMINATION ENTIRELY. >>ANYTHING FROM MITCH McCONNELL? >>Reporter: NO. THEY ARE MEETING IN HIS OFFICE RIGHT NOW, AS WE SPEAK. WE HAVE GOT NO SIGNALS FROM HIS AIDES OR FROM HIM, HIMSELF. WE MIGHT LATER THIS AFTERNOON. WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. IT O’KEEFE COMING TO US FROM CAPITOL HILL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING EARLIER ABOUT — LET ME INTRODUCE THE PANEL. KATELYN HUEY BURNS, JOINING US, NIALL STANEK, LESLIE SANCHEZ AND JOEL AS WELL, JILL PENA. LET ME START WITH YOU. WE WERE TALKING LAST NIGHT. WE WERE ALL DISCUSSING ABOUT 2020. I KNOW THAT THIS IS — I WANT TO TAKE A BIG STEP BACK. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT 2020. THERE WERE A LOT OF MOMENTS IN THE TESTIMONY YESTERDAY OF POTENTIAL FOLKS, PRODUCING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT MIGHT BE RUNNING. >>THERE WERE. BROOKER, CAMILLA HARRIS, INSIDE THE COMMITTEE BUT WE HAVE NOT EVEN — LET’S THINK ABOUT ELIZABETH WARREN AND ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS, JOE BIDEN WHO, BY THE WAY, CAME UP TANGENTIALLY A COUPLE TIMES TODAY, NOT JUST FOR HIS ROLE BACK WITH ANITA HILL, 25 YEARS AGO, BUT ALSO FOR SOME PRESIDENT THAT HE ESTABLISHED ON THE COMMITTEE. IT IS HERE. BOTH WITH THE INDIVIDUALS BUT ALSO WITH THE FRAMING OF THE ISSUES. RIGHT? AGAIN, THIS IS NOT GENERALLY AN ORGANIZING ISSUE THAT DEMOCRATS USE. DEMOCRATS DO NOT GENERALLY VOTE ON THE SUPREME COURT. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD A GIGANTIC LEAD, NOT JUST WITH THE SUPREME COURT BUT WITH A LOWER COURTS, ETC. THAT CHANGES. DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO TREAT THIS AS AN ORGANIZING ISSUE. I AM SURE OF IT. NOT JUST BECAUSE IT IS A DEMOCRATIC ISSUE BUT BECAUSEIT IS A WOMAN’S ISSUE AND THE FACT THAT WOMEN ARE AT THE FOREFRONT. RECORD NUMBER OF WOMEN RUNNING FOR SENATE, HOUSE, GOVERNORS RACES, ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT. THIS IS A GAME CHANGER IN TERMS OF 2020. I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A BACK BURNER ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS. >>WE HAVE SEEN TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WOMEN AND BEING AN OUTSIZED CONSTITUENCY AND CORE CONSTITUENCY FOR EVERYBODY RUNNING IN 2015 INCLUDING THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES AT A RECORD PACE IN TERMS OF WOMEN CANDIDATES. YOU HAVE SEEN FROM REPUBLICANS AND THE PRESIDENT, STARTING TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS A REALLY POTENTIALLY BIG ISSUE IN TERMS OF WOMEN AND THE SENSITIVITIES AROUND THAT. LISTENIG TO THE PRESIDENTS STATEMENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY REMARKABLE, CALLING CHRISTINE FORD’S TESTIMONY COMPELLING AND CALLING HER A FINE WOMAN. ESSENTIALLY GIVING HER A CREDENCE WHICH WAS REALLY INTERESTING. THE REPUBLIAN SENATORS KNOW THAT THE OPTICS OF YESTERDAY WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN WORSE HAD THEY BEEN THE ONES QUESTIONING FORD. CERTAINLY THAT IS PLAYING INTO ALL OF THIS. >>THERE IS ALSO THIS ONE MOMENT WHEN YOU SEE HER, RACHEL MITCHELL, QUESTIONING AND SILENT REPUBLICAN SAID — SENATORS AND SOMEBODY TWEETED OUT, I BELIEVE IT WAS MOM’S DEMAND JUSTICE, TWEETING OUT, WHY NOT VOTE MORE WOMEN AND IF IT TAKES A WOMAN TO DO THE QUESTIONING? I AGREE COMPLETELY. LET’S THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS GONE TO THIS IS A CONCEPT TO THE ONE HOUR PRESS CONFERENCE WHERE HE SAID I HAVE BEEN FALSELY ACCUSED AND THE TWO DOZEN WOMEN ALL OF THEM AND CORRECTED RECEPTION AND SO HE WAS LOOKING AT BRETT KAVANAUGH THROUGH THAT CAMERA LENS AND THEN VERY QUICK TO DEFEND HIM AT ALL COST AND MANY OF THE REPUBLICAN STUDY LINE, LINDSEY GRAHAM LEADING THAT MARCH. WE HEARD HER AND WE HEARD HIM. WE BELIEVE HER. WE BELIEVE HIM. CONFUSED OR FALSE IDENTITY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY IS THE WAY THAT THEY RECONCILE IT. LET’S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD BUT I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE CRY AND THE HEAT WAS GETTING SO INTENSE. REALLY CALM HER VOICES, A POLITICAL WIN AT WHAT COST? WE BELIEVE THAT REPUBLICANS SHOULD HAVE THE SEED AND REPUBLICANS DESERVE THE SEAT BECAUSE OF THE WIN IN 2016. IS HE THE BEST CANDIDATE? I THINK HE COULD BE. THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A REASON TO VOTE YES, THE SENATORS ARE, AND GIVING IT THIS PAUSE COULD GIVE THEM THAT. >>>WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE ELEVATION, BRINKSMANSHIP IN THE BATTLE IN COURT. YOU HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THIS, NOT JUST ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH. THIS IS ABOUT MERRICK GARLAND. IT IS ABOUT HARRY REID, NUCLEAR OPTION ON THE COURT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND IT IS ABOUT BOARD. OKAY? THIS IS A BATTLE FOR THE COURT THAT HAS BEEN ELEVATING FOR PROBABLY THE PAST 20+ YEARS AND REALLY IT IS REACHING CRESCENDO POINT. I DO NOT THINK THAT THERE IS ANY SIGNS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BACK OFF. úI AM INTERESTED IN Y REPORTING IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT WOULD SAY. I DO NOT GET THE SENSE THAT THIS IS — ANYBODY’S GOING TO COME IN AND BE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET’S JUST LOOK PAST ALL OF THE ORIGINAL SINS OF THE PAST. LET’S LOOK FAR. >>ABSOLUTELY NOT NOBODY IS GOING TO UNILATERALLY DISARM OR VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE THIS OUT OF THE SENATE. TAKE IT OUT OF THE SUPREME COURT NOMINATION IN AND OF ITSELF. THIS HAS BECOME A CULTURAL RECKONING IN THIS COUNTRY. YOU MENTIONED YESTERDAY DURING THE LIVE COVERAGE THAT THE WORLD IS KIND OF WATCHING ALL OF THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SPEAKING TO SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES OF IDENTITY, OF WOMEN, OF ISSUES THAT OUR COUNTRY IS FACING ON MULTIPLE FRONTS. SO THIS HAS TAKEN A SIGNIFICANCE AND IT HAS BECOME ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE BEYOND JUST THE NEXT SUPREME COURT PICK? RICK WE TALK ABOUT WOMEN AND WHAT A KEY ISSUE AND MOMENT THIS WAS. WE ALSO LOOK BACK AT ANITA HILL IN THE 26 YEARS. I HAD RITA BRAVER ON, SUNNY MORNING, CORRESPOND TO, A CAPITOL HILL CORRESPONDENT FOR CBS NEWS AT THE TIME. SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW SHE ACTUALLY FEELS IN THOSE 26 YEARS WHAT LITTLE HAS CHANGED WHEN IT COMES TO PROGRESS FOR WOMEN AND SEXUAL ASSAULT >>IT WAS CLEAR YESTERDAY THAT THE COMMITTEE, THAT SAME COMMITTEE, HAD STILL NOT REALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO HANDLE THIS. IT WAS REMARKABLE. ORRIN HATCH, RETIRING THIS SOON AND CHUCK GRASSLEY WERE THERE IN THAT ROOM. THERE ARE STILL NO REPUBLICAN WOMEN ON THAT SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF THEM STILL IN CONGRESS RIGHT NOW. SO IT IS REMARKABLE. WE TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN AND WE ALSO NEED TO ALK ABOUT HOW LITTLE HA CHANGED AND HOW MUCH REMAINS THE SAME. >>I WANT TO PLAY — I’M CURIOUS IF SENATOR FLAKE WOULD SAY THAT THIS WAS A PIVOTAL MOMENT THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED HIS DECISION ON HOW HE VOTES. HE WAS CONFRONTED BY SOME PROTESTERS IN AN ELEVATOR AS HE WAS EXITING. >>I TOLD THE STORY OF MY SEXUAL ASSAULT I TOLD THEM — TELLING THE TRUTH. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ALLOWING SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY VIOLATED A WOMAN TO SIT IN THE SUPREME COURT. THIS IS NOT TOLERABLE. YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN YOUR FAMILY. THINK ABOUT THEM. I HAVE TWO CHILDREN. I CANNOT IMAGINE FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE IN THE SUPREME COURT THAT HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF VIOLATING A YOUNG GIRL. WHAT ARE YOU DOING, SIR? >>NOBODY BELIEVES ME. I DID NOT TELL ANYONE AND YOU ARE TELLING ALL WOMEN THAT IF YOU TELL THEM WHAT HAPPENS, YOU ARE GOING TO IGNORE THEM. THAT IS WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ALL WOMEN IN AMERICA. >>I WANT TO TURN TO JOE PAIN. YOU SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME ON CAPITOL HILL. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW OPTICS MATTER PICKETS I WAS SENATOR FLAKE, WHAT DO YOU DO? >>HE HANDLED THAT THE BEST THAT HE COULD. WE HAD CHATTER THAT MAYBE STAFF COULD HAVE HELPED HIM OUT. CURIOUS AS TO WHERE THAT WAS, IN THE MEMBERS ONLY AREA AND CLEARLY IT WAS NOT. I THINK THAT IF CITIZENS ARE WATCHING WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS LATER, THAT MATTERS. THAT TYPE OF ADVOCACY MATTERS. YOU CANNOT UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPORTANCE OF ALL OF US AT SOME POINT IN OUR CAREER SPENT TIME IN CONGRESSIONAL OFFICE. YOU GET THE LETTERS AND EMAILS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK IT DOESN’T MATTER. PEOPLE DO NOT PAY ATTENTION. IF YOU GET 10,000 LETTERS, 10,000 EMAILS IN A DAY OR 70 CONFRONTS YOU IN A HALLWAY THAT PASSIONATELY OR SOMEBODY SHARES A MESSAGE THAT SINCE HOME WITH YOU, THAT MATTERS. THAT SITS WITH YOU IN A COMMITTEE HEARING AND WHEN YOU ARE VOTING ON THE FLOOR. I THINK THAT CITIZEN ACTION AND PROGRESS RIGHT THERE THAT WE CANNOT IGNORE. >>THE UNDERCURRENT THERE AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT IS THIS AWAKENING ON THE ISSUE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND THE NERVE IT HITS IN THE TONE AND CONVERSATION AND HITTING FREQUENCY WITH WOMEN — >>IF IT IS AN AWAKENING, SO MANY WOMEN HAVE ASKED ME, IF HE MAKES IT ONTO THE COURT, WHAT DOES IT SAY TO US THAT YOU STILL DO NOT BELIEVE IS? THERE IS NO SOLID PROOF. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. WE DO NOT HAVE SOLID PROOF OVER WHOSE TESTIMONY TO BELIEVE. >>THANK YOU. THAT IS THE PUSHBACK. WE SHOULD NOT BE ASSUMING THAT HE IS GUILTY OF A LOT OF REPUBLICAN WOMEN ARE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE ARE TWO SIDES AND HE DESERVES A FAIR HEARING BUT I DO NOT THINK THAT IT WAS NECESSARILY FAIR. I THINK THEY WERE BOTH VERY COMPELLING. THAT IS THE QUESTION. IT IS NOT LINING UP IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE ARE REACTING TO IT. SOME PEOPLE ARE HAVING A VISCERAL REACTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED SOMETHING THEMSELVES AND IT’S PERSONAL TO THEM. IT SPEAKS TO THAT FREQUENCY DR. FORD IS TALKING TO BUT OTHER WOMEN MAY SAY, BOYS WILL BE BOYS OR MEN AND THEY DISMISS IT AND THIS IS NOT HAVE THAT SEVERITY. SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE IS THE TRUTH. WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND LEADERS HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE MOMENT OF INTENSITY TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. THAT IS WHY RUSHING THIS IS A DETRIMENTAL THING FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO PUSH IT THROUGH. IT WILL SHOW THAT POINT. WE DID NOT LISTEN. WE DID NOT CARE. SHE IS WRONG. SHE IS MISINFORMED. THAT IS COUNTING OF ANY WOMAN OR ANY VOTER HAS MAJOR, MAJOR IMPACT. >>I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY. I THINK THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET CAUGHT UP IN STRONGMAN ARGUMENTS. IT SEEMS TO ME TALKING TO FEMALE FRIENDS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR HIS ALLEGATIONS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY ARISE. IF YOU ARE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CONFIRM SOMEONE WITHOUT EVEN PAUSING FOR A WEEK WHICH IS WHAT SENATOR FLAKE IS CALLING FOR, THAT SEEMS TO BE EMBLEMATIC OF A LACK OF TAKING THE ALLEGATIONS SERIOUSLY. IT IS ONLY A MINORITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING, IT IS AUTOMATICALLY TRUE, BUT LET’S HAVE A SERIOUS INVESTIGATION INTO IF CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE. I WANT TO WEIGH IN THAT AMY KLOBUCHAR SPOKE AFTER THE DRAMATIC TURN BY SENATOR FLAKE. >>IT IS SIMPLY DECEMBER FLAKE WORKING WITH ALL OF US TO SAY FOR THE GOOD OF THE SENATE AND THE GOOD OF THE COURT, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE THE FACTS FOLLOWED UP ON, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THIS IS SIMPLY ABOUT — AND BY THE WAY, IF SENATOR McCONNELL WANTS TO GO FORWARD IN LIGHT OF THAT AND WE STILL HAVE SEVERAL SENATORS THAT HAVE NOT SAID HOW THEY’RE VOTING ON THIS NOMINEE, I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT WHAT JUST HAPPENED RIGHT NOW. CX SENATOR AMY KLOBUCHAR WEIGHING IN AND THERE WAS A DRAMATIC MOMENT WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DRINKING. >>YES. AND AMY KLOBUCHAR, THE WOMAN — SENATOR WAS THAT HER FATHER WAS AN ALCOHOLIC AND SHE WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT DRINKING ANY TURN THE TABLE BACK AT HER AND SAID I DON’T KNOW. HAVE YOU EVER HAD TOO MUCH TO DRINK? HAVE YOU EVER BLACKED OUT? IT WAS COMPLETELY INSENSITIVE AND WHAT WAS REMARKABLE IS THAT WE NOTICE THE WOMAN BEHIND BRETT, KIND OF SLIPPED HIM A PAPER AND THEN THEY TOOK A BREAK AND THEN HE CAME BACK AND HE ACTUALLY APOLOGIZED TO HER BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SENATE RELATIONSHIPS AND HOW THE SENATE AS OF YESTERDAY JUST SEEMED TO STOOP TO A LEVEL THAT EVERYBODY WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH AT THE TIME AFTER WATCHING THAT HEARING. TODAY I THINK IT SHOWS THAT SOME OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS IN THE SENATE DO MATTER. AND ALSO JEFF FLAKE, THE REASON THAT WE ARE SO FOCUSED ON FLAKE IS TALKING ABOUT FLAKE IS THAT HE IS RETIRING. HE IS A TOP CRITIC OF THE PRESIDENT AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT HE HAS BECOME SOMEWHAT OF A PARIAH IN HIS OWN PARTY. HE WAS NOT GOING TO RUN FOR REELECTION BECAUSE IT WAS CLEAR THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO SURVIVE A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY IN HIS OWN STATE SO HE IS FULLY AWARE OF THE POLITICS HERE AND HE HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESIDENT. INSTEAD, IT IS A COMBATIVE ONE. YOU HEARD CHRIS TALK ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH JEFF FLAKE. HE IS VERY WELL-LIKED AMONG REPUBLICANS EVEN THOUGH HE IS A DEMOCRAT SO WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THE COMMITTEE TRYING TO GET TO SOME KIND OF SOLUTION. WE WILL SEE HOW LONG THAT LASTS BUT CERTAINLY A DIFFERENCE FROM YESTERDAY AS FAR AS RIGHT NOW AT>>TWO OTHER THINGS JUMP OUT. IT IS HARD TO LOOK AT JEFF LIKE AND NOT THINK ABOUT JOHN McCAIN AND CARING THAT LEGACY AND I WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS WITH HIM AS HE WAS REACHING FOR THAT MOMENT AND REALLY STANDING FOR THE INSTITUTION AND STANDING FOR INDEPENDENCE IN TERMS OF DECIDING THINGS LIKE JUDICIAL NOMINEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE KNOW THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO JOHN McCAIN SO I HAVE TO WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS IN JEFF FLAKE’S MINE. ANOTHER THING. I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE GANG OF FOUR THAT WE FEEL LIKE HAS EMERGED. I COME FROM A TIME IN THE SENATE WHEN THAT USED TO BE VERY COMMON TO HAVE A GANG OF EIGHT, A GANG OF 13. WHEN I STARTED WORKING THE SENATE IN 2005, IT WAS COMMON TO HAVE THESE BIPARTISAN GROUPS GET TOGETHER TO INFLUENCE AND SWAY LEGISLATION. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A BYGONE TIME. BUT ABSOLUTELY IT FEELS ALMOST LIKE THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK A LITTLE BIT. PEOPLE TRYING TO RECAPTURE SOME OF THAT MOMENT FROM THE PAST. >>I AM ALSO CURIOUS. WE KNOW MARK JUDGE WROTE A BOOK AND A CLOSE FRIEND TO JUDGE KAVANAUGH IF THE FBI INVESTIGATION GOES FORWARD WHICH WE ARE NOT CLEAR IF IT WILL OR NOT IF IT HAS THE SUPPORT. IF HE WILL APPEAR AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS MIGHT BE. >>GO AHEAD. >>IF HE WOULD ANSWER THEM UNDER OATH OR UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY SOMETHING THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN HAMMERING ú IT IS SOMETHING THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS VERY RESISTANT TO. I THOUGHT SOMEWHAT EVASIVE ABOUT DURING THE TESTIMONY. THIS IS THE WHOLE DANGER THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. TIME IS NOT A FRIEND TO BRETT KAVANAUGH IN THIS RESPECT. THE LONGER THAT THIS PROCESS IS ELONGATED, THEN THE MORE OPPORTUNITY THERE IS FOR NEGATIVE INFORMATION FOR HIM TO EMERGE FROM ACCUSERS TO PERHAPS COME FORWARD. I DO NOT SEE HOW BRETT KAVANAUGH GAINS FROM THIS DELAY UNLESS IT ENDS UP WITH A COMPLETELY CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH. BACK WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU. HAS BEEN A MARATHON. GRATEFUL TO YOU. SO GRATEFUL YOU GUYS WILL BE HERE WITH US. AS I MENTIONED, THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT HE DID FIND DR. FORDE’S TESTIMONY CREDIBLE, BUT HE ALSO SAID THAT HE HAS NOT CONSIDER REPLACING HIS SUPREME COURT NOMINEE. WHEN THE PRESIDENT SPOKE, IT WAS UNCLEAR HOW MUCH HE KNEW ABOUT THE SUPPORT FOR SENATOR FLAKE’S POSITION. CBS NEWS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT WEIJIA JIANG JOINS US RIGHT NOW. I AM CURIOUS WHAT A MORNING IT HAS BEEN FOR YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? HAS THE MESSAGE BURIED THROUGHOUT THE MORNING OR HAS IT BEEN CONSISTENT?, AND IT’S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT ACKNOWLEDGED HE WAS AWARE OF SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT INVOLVED JEFF FLAKE, I REALLY DO NOT THINK THAT HE KNOWS YET EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW THIS COULD PLAY OUT AND THE DECISION THAT HE HAS TO MAKE IN THE UPCOMING DAYS. HE CONTINUED TO DEFER TO G.O.P. SENATORS, SAYING THAT HE TRUSTS THEM PICKING THINGS THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. TH FACT IS THAT HE IS THE ONE WHO WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO ORDER THIS INVESTIGATION SO EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT SAYS THAT HE WILL RELY ON SENATOR GRASSLEY AND MITCH McCONNELL, THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT THEY WILL ALL, I EXPECT, HAVE VERY SOON AND THEY WILL BE COMING TO HIM TO SAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP, LISTEN, I DO NOT THINK THAT WE HAVE THE VOTES ON THE FULL SENATE FLOOR NOW THAT JEFF FLAKE HAS COME OUT AND I IMAGINE THAT SENATOR COLLINS AND SENATOR McCLOSKEY ARE WITH HIM TO DEMAND THIS INVESTIGATION BEFORE THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FULL VOTE. EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE RIGHT IN THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED AND THAT IT MADE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE, I AM NOT QUITE SURE THAT HE HAS BEEN BRIEFED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED AND THAT JEFF FLAKE AND OTHERS COULD BE CALLING FOR THIS INVESTIGATION. IT IS HIS DECISION, EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT SAYS THAT IT IS UP TO THE SENATORS. HE IS THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO CALL FOR THAT BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT, THOUGH, THE WHITE HOUSE WAS CERTAINLY VERY OPTIMISTIC AND THROUGHOUT THE DAY THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO MAKE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE. THEY WERE CONFIDENT THAT ULTIMATELY BRETT KAVANAUGH WOULD BE CONFIRMED BUT THIS CHANGES THE GAME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR ALL ALONG. THERE WAS NO QUESTION ABOUT THE FACTS AS ALL OF THE SENATOR MADE THE FINAL VOTE ON THE SENATE FLOOR ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT NOMINEE. WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL TRANSPIRE FROM THE FBI INVESTIGATION IF THERE WILL BE ONE. I IMAGINE THAT IF IT IS MADE CLEAR BY JEFF FLAKE AND OTHER REPUBLICANS, THAT THEY WILL NOT VOTE YES WITHOUT AN INVESTIGATION BUT THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT HAVE MUCH CHOICE BUT TO ORDER ONE, I THINK. IN TERMS OF WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS SICK, NOTHING SO FAR ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT BUT BEFORE THIS, THE MOOD WAS UPBEAT. ABOUT THAT 1:30 PM VOTE. I IMAGINE THAT ONCE SOMEBODY EXPLAINS TO THE PRESIDENT THE SITUATION, WE CAN EXPECT MORE FROM HIM AND AS WE HEAR FROM SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, HE APPARENTLY THINKS THAT HE IS THE ONE TO DO IT. >>THAT WAS A FUNNY MOMENT AND IT WAS A GOOD POINT OF DISTINCTION THAT YOU MAY THAT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT NOT BE FULLY BRIEFED ON THIS SO WE SHOULD GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM AS TO SEE IF HE WEIGHS IN THAT LATER. I WANT TO THANK YOU. SPAMMING AFTER A BREAK, DEMOCRATIC SENATOR JOE MANSION IS ONE OF THE SWING VOTES THAT COULD DECIDE IF BRETT KAVANAUGH GETS ON THE SUPREME COURT AND ALSO FACING A TOUGH REELECTION PLATE IN WEST VIRGINIA. YOU ARE STREAMING CBSN.

100 thoughts on “Kavanaugh Senate vote: Live coverage as Senate Judiciary votes to advance Kavanaugh to full Senate

  • Micah De Asis Post author

    It doesn’t matter. He’s a rapist. You have a lot of priests who are rapists, cops that are rapist, and president that is a rapist. A rapist is a rapist. What he does doesn’t matter. All i know is karma comes back around. Whether to him or to his kids, it’ll come back around somehow.

  • sir robert Post author

    nothing here

  • Tsunshine gal Post author

    Democrat Senators like Dianne Feinstein is : in hot soup

    https://youtu.be/5hJyudVkzrc

  • marquis finley Post author

    But bill Cosby doing 10yrs in jail 🤔 blame that stupid lady with the blindfold on holding the weight scale

  • Brandon Crum Post author

    they arent even democrats anymore, just socialists and tax thieves with no intention of actually helping the people prosper

  • Human Cancerbag Post author

    Anyone that votes for the cur kavanaugh is a sheep or a tool of money. Retarted old men desperate to hold onto power. What a pathetic disgrace to America and its founding fathers.

  • Bucky Brown Post author

    As I recall, Brett fingered me 35 years ago. At least I think it was him. No big deal. It was rather nice come to think of it. See me at www.imdb.com/name/nm2827073

  • TruthSeeker Post author

    Who knows what Satan's soldiers are up to today and the reasons behind their words.

  • Adam Joyce Post author

    Make sure you vote Red in November. Keep these Political hacks out of power.

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Political theatre this has been.

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Didn't Blasey Ford testify
    That she "anonymously" went to the Washington Times or another major newspaper??

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Walking out? You're going to harass more victims of assault and more innocent men at the same time by not owning and doing your job!

  • Chris Zachem Post author

    What leak Ford gave the press the letters right?

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Blumenthal is a hypocrite himsef.

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    I'm embarrassed by the process forced to condemn a man without evidence of allegations.. completely lacking in corroboration!

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Stomp your feet and cry because of it's unfair? Even though both accuser and accused were heard and all witnesses have NOT corroborated or have outright recanted their statements-?-

  • CUSH Post author

    The nominee was very well composed considering the attacks on his family and personal integrity. Dem's are going to have a lot to answer for how the process was handled. That's the real story here !

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Added drama. Delay delay delay

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Please don't forget we're watching your actions..

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Here we go again! You're not helping me and I am a victim of rape, NOT just sexual assault! There's a difference.

  • Sheldon Sheldon Post author

    Cbsn why are you torturing all of us with Flake being railroaded and harassed by these probably paid protesters?

  • Gabrielle Patricia Post author

    don’t read the comments

  • Erica Post author

    Feinstein is a manipulative liar!

  • Erica Post author

    If Ford wanted a fair investigation by law enforcement she would have gone to the local police not politicians! My god those democrats are children. Emotional manipulation and fake defiance. The republicans are being absolutely fair.
    I’m registering to vote as a republican.
    This is infuriating!

  • Official JOY Post author

    Sin Is Never Satisfied…But We Will Keep Praying FOR GOD'S PERFECT WILL, IN JESUS NAME!!!!🙏 ✝ 💘

  • Elector Post author

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  • jeremiah white Post author

    What type of letter would you write if the incident didn't happen? What more do you say other than it didn't happen?????

  • GeminiQueen Post author

    Brett Kavanaugh is not fit to be in the supreme court whether Ford told the truth or not… He's no better than Donald Trump who is definitely not fit to be president. Idiots of the future. Politics suck.

  • Albert Vasquez Post author

    Sorry dems. Say what you want ,we dont believe you. Thank Hillary for that. Your not trusted sorry……

  • Albert Vasquez Post author

    Stop saying the American people Democrats. You've done nothing for the American people. The desperacrats are a little never for Their jobs.

  • Albert Vasquez Post author

    Get these garbage reporters out of the way…yelling to a senator. And the reporter trash tricking him into an answer? The classy Democrats, gotta love em….not.

  • Pin Head Post author

    Now that we know Ford perjured herself, I'll never believe another liberal rape victim. Ive 'never seen a conservative rape victim make it a political issue.

  • Albert Vasquez Post author

    Whitehouse needs more pills. 36years ago? The house probably doesn't even exist. Your a waste. He's got a monstrously delay tactic. Wow

  • Albert Vasquez Post author

    I love Grassley munching on his snack….🤣

  • Albert Vasquez Post author

    Sorry lady but you talk about respect for the victim? Who leaked her information….um your party?

  • Albert Vasquez Post author

    I cant stand these dems….I gotta go. When I come back , he better be confirmed! Gotta go to work , I'm a Republican.

  • KL Wheeler Post author

    How many people know That Years Ago K’s Mom Was Judge That Convicted Ford’s Parent(s) For Criminal AcT!?? Do U? do u think that some one has The Opportunity To Setup K in Assault Case To Reject Him From Case Because HIS MOM Went and Made Charge (s) Against Ford Parent(s)????!!!! UR Answer would Have to Gather YES! that’s Possible! Ok/What do u think for that case and the circus ensued now?? THERE IS AN EXTREME Wide Window If What u Heard That knowing what I’m Exposing IS A LIE!!

  • KL Wheeler Post author

    FORD LIED in REVENGE!!

  • Zayn Scott Post author

    Whether or not an FBI investigation will give any more evidence/conclusions, at this point why fight it? Ffs so much drama over, at most, a weeks worth of delay. Literally shouldn't be a problem at all unless Kavanaugh is hiding something and it becomes uncovered.

  • John martinez Post author

    Spaghetti with organic sauce is the best!

  • funkyflights Post author

    Republicans are pathetic, destroying America ….

  • Ratungo Post author

    The democratic party has reached a new low. Absolutely disgusted with them and every other mindless sheep that still tries to defend this behavior.

  • Danny P Post author

    the FBI results are in and Justice Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed

  • R J Post author

    I'm no longer supporting the democratic parties, this has been just plan insane. I will be independent from now on.
    #walkaway

  • Tattletale RED Post author

    Well Joe Biden’s chances at becoming a president is not very reasonable possibility now – he’s got skeletons against women in his closet also.

  • king chris Post author

    Omg stop crushing the poor guys dreams. I bet he’s wanted to be on the Supreme Court since he was a little kid and some false allegations are holding him back. No wonder why he’s mad!

  • Who spilled My beans Post author

    The comment section is disgusting

  • Who spilled My beans Post author

    He should be in jail this country is disgusting

  • The things We know Post author

    Corruption by GOP

  • Joseph Daniel Post author

    Here’s the truth about all this. Now this is a story all about how
    My life got flipped-turned upside down
    And I'd like to take a minute
    Just sit right there
    I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air

    In west Philadelphia born and raised
    On the playground was where I spent most of my days
    Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
    And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
    When a couple of guys who were up to no good
    Started making trouble in my neighborhood
    I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
    She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air."

    I begged and pleaded with her day after day
    But she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way
    She gave me a kiss and then she gave me my ticket.
    I put my Walkman on and said, "I might as well kick it."

    First class, yo, this is bad
    Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass.
    Is this what the people of Bel-Air living like?
    Hmm, this might be alright.

    But wait I hear they're prissy, bourgeois, all that
    Is this the type of place that they just send this cool cat?
    I don't think so
    I'll see when I get there
    I hope they're prepared for the prince of Bel-Air

    Well, the plane landed and when I came out
    There was a dude who looked like a cop standing there with my name out
    I ain't trying to get arrested yet
    I just got here
    I sprang with the quickness like lightning, disappeared

    I whistled for a cab and when it came near
    The license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror
    If anything I could say that this cab was rare
    But I thought, "Nah, forget it."
    – "Yo, home to Bel-Air."

    I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
    And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo home smell ya later."
    I looked at my kingdom
    I was finally there
    To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air

  • ekim nemo Post author

    whole thing has made American govt confirm world opinion that it is just a bunch of greedy spoiled kids and don't care about the country . if I cant have the ball then no one should waaaaa waaaaa

  • David Alvarez Post author

    What if she raped him???

  • The White RickJames Post author

    Saturday Night Lefties

  • Nathan Post author

    Why is this a political issue?

  • kevinszhere1 Post author

    How even about ford anymore, his behavior puts me off. I expected more, trump need to nominate someone else.

  • Alberto Medrano Post author

    Such a bias segment. Both women in this video sound ridiculous.

  • H G Post author

    Kavanaugh is a rapist!!

  • Love Me Please!!! Post author

    Conservative claiming to be democrats leaving the Democratic party.

  • treepizzle Post author

    What a circus. Why anyone would be in politics…

  • Heidi Nordvik Post author

    I love Sen. Leahy. He is a good man <3

  • John Wright Post author

    wow .. look at all the women they have grandstanding behind her

  • Gary S Post author

    Why not just elect somebody else? This guy is an awful choice for the court. His demeanor is awful. Put a woman up there. Let a woman have say on how she wants the law to treat them in Rowe v. Wade. These power monger men, like Graham , make a mockery of their power. Just like voting redistricting, why do we let politicians pick their voters, instead of voters picking their politicians.

  • Gary S Post author

    Idiot Graham stating that a no vote would be the worst thing he's ever seen in politics. Get this loser out of Congress. He is so disconnected. Half of politicians are so corrupt. They just want somebody who owes them a favor on the court. What a travesty of power. No checks and balances. Judges should not have a party they run under. This is truly not what the constitution and our forefathers would have wanted, and it certainly isn't what the popular votes want. The midterms will clearly see this sham confirmation as what it is. This is worse than the persecution of the religious freedoms of the middle ages.

  • GI Graphics Post author

    CBS is a joke

  • Guillermo Post author

    The Russian trolls are working overtime on this.

  • Uptight Nonchalant Post author

    Still waiting on the bill clinton Juanita Broderick fbi investigation. Anybody know when that will conclude or if it has started yet?

  • Travis Jay Post author

    What a joke!

  • Chris Knight Post author

    DEMOCRATS CREATED A MONSTER

    Kavanaugh will be confirmed. Then the political weaponizing of Dr. Ford, molesting her and raping her for their political agenda will come back to haunt them for many years to come.

    Thank you Schumer, Feinstein, Booker, Whitehouse, Blumenthal. Haaris, and all the Democratic senators who participated in this scandal.

  • T Huss Post author

    Crying chuck Schumer is such a putz. He was just on tv blaming all the delays on the Republican

  • Phoenix Mister Two Post author

    Once you see the Dems as snakes, their tactics no longer work and they look ridiculous up there trying to defend a complete lie.

  • MEIERSEGGSTRAßE RESEARCH INSTITUTE Post author

    THE WHITEHOUSE MUZZLED THE FBI "IT WAS A SHAM INVESTIGATION" AND HURRIEDLY PUSHED THE VOTING THROUGH. NEITHER DR FORD NOR KAVANAUGH WERE INTERROGATED. THE U.S INSTITUTIONS ARE LOSING ALL CREDIBILITY.

  • bob hennis Post author

    without question the dems just proved to the world just how illegal and vile they really are. greesy chuck schumer and diane feinstine just got on t.v. and said the f.b.i. report was not complete because the lady and the judge were not interviewed, WHAT///// not interviewed???. both just spent a week being interviewed under oath. their under wear size was asked. what could the f.b.i. ask that congress had not. i really believe this assassination by media will bust the dems wide open. when queers , africans and other libs say the dems no longer speak for me it's because they are all holding their noses and are seeing the real anti american democrats in all their glory.

  • Ensminger Design Post author

    I've always leaned on the Democratic side but this is so ridiculous I'm frankly embarrassed

  • David Erwin Post author

    Was he confirmed or not

  • hot pepper Post author

    Demonrates are crazy

  • Cowboy & Beardog Post author

    the dems are going down

  • Mark Mirabella Post author

    Brett Kavanaugh drafted and supported The Patriot Act. He is a traitor and the founding fathers would have had him hanged for treason. Anyone who supports him is also a traitor.

  • Bruce Marich Post author

    THE LOUDEST MOUTH IS THIS: Blumenthal received five draft deferments during the Vietnam War,[11] obtaining first educational deferments, and then deferments based on his occupation. With part-time service in the reserves or National Guard generally regarded as an alternative for those wishing to avoid serving in Vietnam, in April 1970, Blumenthal enlisted in the United States Marine Corps Reserveand he served in units in Washington, D.C., and Connecticut from 1970 to 1976 attaining the rank of sergeant. During his 2010 Senate campaign, news reports that Blumenthal had claimed or implied that he'd served "in Vietnam" during the war created a controversy. Blumenthal denied having intentionally misled voters into believing he fought in Vietnam, but acknowledged having occasionally "misspoken" about his service record and later apologized for remarks about his military service he said had not been "clear or precise". lied lied & lied!!

  • Sheena Post author

    This case is an insult to people who've suffered true sexual assault. F*ck the MeToo movement. #walkaway

  • Chris Brown Post author

    America is great again! Red Wave in mid terms.Trump/Pence 2020 VOTE VOTE VOTE!

  • Kiah PHAY Post author

    October 5th Friday 2018Hello Sir and Lady I wishes everybody have a happy weekend !你好先生和女士 我祝福大家有个周末愉快!
    Hello How are you today ! I support for Confirm Judge Brett Kavanaugh
    September 29th Saturday 2018我是对事不针对人的事件, 每个人都有不同的出发点和主观过分强调, 并且不受个人的偏见或特有不同的角度攻击同一主题. 观点考虑的某人卖矛又卖盾, 说他的矛和盾都是最好的, 当问及“用你的矛刺你的盾如何”时, 此人无以对答. 人的局限性是否能正确认识自己, 了解自己的长处和短处吗? 后因以形容行事或言语前后不统一明显的自相矛盾. 我们是有文化的参与者, 并非是流氓团伙, 我们是讲道理的参与者. 再说, 卡瓦诺的听证会, 对于人生价值和意义所持有的观点是什么? 谁能告诉我…..
    所言非, 她是个该死的人, 天底下谁也躲不过因果报应. 今生你所制作的某种果, 皆是前世的因. 你所造什么样的因, 就受到什么的果…..

  • Ahnon Yehmouse Post author

    Kavanaugh raped my puppy when he was 13. Put him in jail

  • Ahnon Yehmouse Post author

    Kavanaugh raped 3 of my puppies when he was 13. Never mind that i can't prove it, or that it was 50 years ago, or that i hate his family. Just take my word for it and put him in jail.

  • Tyg Rahof Post author

    All this does is split us further apart. The people need to get together under ANOTHER party and oust these two.

  • Carol Johnson Post author

    Dog and Pony show!

  • eileen MAIZE Carey Post author

    ALL drumph , kavanagh, ALL hypocrites ALL on the KILLING FLOOR of excrement

  • eileen MAIZE Carey Post author

    Women will NOW be treated EVEN worse THAN EVER…nice job…NOT!!!! Also "supreme court" should BE LIMITED to 10 YEARS and VOTED IN BY THE PEOPLE not hypocrite ghouls

  • Jonathan Waters Post author

    so the rape supporters won.

  • James G Post author

    CBS is fake news

  • William Son Post author

    Protesters are idiots. It’s pointless to try to convince them of anything!

  • William Son Post author

    Los Demócratas son Enemigos de Las Personas. “Beto O’Rourke está Loco”

  • Alfred Neuman Post author

    Time for Democrats to kick Dr. Ford out of the bus – they used and exploited her; time to go bye-bye.

  • Jose Quiroz Post author

    Sr trump canta victoria que sus bonos de popularidad esta por los suelos y acuerdese de las votaciones de nov le vamos dar a saber nuestra incomformidad de su gobierno razista

  • mark nosko Post author

    someone may have, probably , maybe ,did a crime, soooooooo, get that guy.  lynch him!   the new democracy?  do want our country to be that country?  remember lynching?  do we want that to be our modus of justice?  remember in November and remember your dad, grandpa, your brother, son, husband, grandson and fear for them.

  • Boota Khan Post author

    Subhana Allah connect me) you are country terrorist attack people I don't follow Tera list people you) your country attack Afghanistan B4 how many children baby die Afghanistan) you are Harami people Harami you

  • J D Post author

    sick

  • bizzleblue38 Post author

    What does this have to do with The Haunting Of Hill House? This is the biggest form of click bait there is!!!

  • Max Russell Post author

    She's a good actor

  • Glynda McDonald Post author

    Corey Booker is so in love with himself! Whew! I'd hate to have to listen to him often.

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