If All States Had Red-Flag Laws, ‘Logically’ It Would Stop At Least One Shooter | MTP Daily | MSNBC

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SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER SAY RED FLAG LAWS ARE NOT ENOUGH. FLAG LAWS ARE NOT ENOUGH. THAT THEY MUST INCLUDE THAT THEY MUST INCLUDE BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR DPUN BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR DPUN PURCHASES. PURCHASES. SO LET’S GET INTO THE QUESTION SO LET’S GET INTO THE QUESTION OF DO RED FLAG LAWS WORK AND ARE OF DO RED FLAG LAWS WORK AND ARE THEY ENOUGH? THEY ENOUGH? JOINING ME NOW ONE OF THE JOINING ME NOW ONE OF THE COUNTRY’S LEADING EXPERTS IN COUNTRY’S LEADING EXPERTS IN MENTAL HEALTH AND MASS VIOLENCE MENTAL HEALTH AND MASS VIOLENCE RESEARCH, HIS NAME JEFFREY RESEARCH, HIS NAME JEFFREY SWANSON. SWANSON. HE’S A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY HE’S A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES AT DUKE IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES AT DUKE UNIVERSAL SCHOOL OF MEDICINE. UNIVERSAL SCHOOL OF MEDICINE. HE ALSO STUDIES CAUSES OF GUN HE ALSO STUDIES CAUSES OF GUN VIOLENCE AND WAYS TO REDUCE IT. VIOLENCE AND WAYS TO REDUCE IT.>>THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME>>THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME OCTOBER. OCTOBER.>>SO RED FLAG LAWS HAVE BEEN>>SO RED FLAG LAWS HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1999. AROUND SINCE 1999. CONNECTICUT BEING THE FIRST CONNECTICUT BEING THE FIRST STATE, FLORIDA I BELIEVE AMONG STATE, FLORIDA I BELIEVE AMONG THE MOST RECENT GIVEN WHAT THEY THE MOST RECENT GIVEN WHAT THEY DID AFTER PARKLAND. DID AFTER PARKLAND. EVERY STUDY I’VE SAID THERE EVERY STUDY I’VE SAID THERE APPEARS TO BE MODEST PREVENTION APPEARS TO BE MODEST PREVENTION AT LEAST IN THE — MODEST AT LEAST IN THE — MODEST IMPROVEMENT AT LEAST IN REGARDS IMPROVEMENT AT LEAST IN REGARDS TO SUICIDES. TO SUICIDES.>>WELL, THAT’S THE MAIN THING.>>WELL, THAT’S THE MAIN THING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE IS IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW THIS IS IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS, IT’S TIME LIMITED, CIVIL WORKS, IT’S TIME LIMITED, CIVIL COURT-ORDERED, YOU KNOW, TOOL TO COURT-ORDERED, YOU KNOW, TOOL TO REMOVE GUNS FROM PEOPLE WHO POSE REMOVE GUNS FROM PEOPLE WHO POSE A RISK TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS. A RISK TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS. NOW THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, NOW THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THIS NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK THIS NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK AGREEFBD YOUNG MAN WHO’S AGREEFBD YOUNG MAN WHO’S AMASSING A SMALL ARSENAL. AMASSING A SMALL ARSENAL. BUT IT’S JUST WAY MORE LIKELY BUT IT’S JUST WAY MORE LIKELY THAT IT’S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY’S THAT IT’S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY’S YOUNG ADULT SON OR MAYBE YOUR YOUNG ADULT SON OR MAYBE YOUR GRAND DAD WHO IS BEREAVED AND GRAND DAD WHO IS BEREAVED AND DRINK HEAVILY AND HAS ALL THESE DRINK HEAVILY AND HAS ALL THESE GUNS. GUNS. IN MOST STATES IN THAT IN MOST STATES IN THAT SITUATION, THERE’S NOTHING YOU SITUATION, THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO UNLESS YOUR GRAND DAD, CAN DO UNLESS YOUR GRAND DAD, YOU KNOW, HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD YOU KNOW, HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD OR HAS BEEN INVOLUNTARILY OR HAS BEEN INVOLUNTARILY COMMITTED OR IS INCOMPETENT. COMMITTED OR IS INCOMPETENT. YOU COULD REACH OUT TO LAW YOU COULD REACH OUT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEY COULD LOOK ENFORCEMENT AND THEY COULD LOOK INTO IT, AND IF THERE’S PROBABLE INTO IT, AND IF THERE’S PROBABLE CAUSE, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND GET CAUSE, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THIS EXPEDITED ORDER. THIS EXPEDITED ORDER. THERE’S DUE PROCESS BAKED INTO THERE’S DUE PROCESS BAKED INTO THE FRONT END. THE FRONT END. THEY CAN TAKE THE GUNS AWAY. THEY CAN TAKE THE GUNS AWAY. IT’S NOT CRIMINALIZING. IT’S NOT CRIMINALIZING. AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE THAT AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT AND PARTICULARLY BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE PARTICULARLY BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE THAT VERY OFTEN DO NOT HAVE ANY THAT VERY OFTEN DO NOT HAVE ANY GUN DISQUALIFYING RECORD, IT’S A GUN DISQUALIFYING RECORD, IT’S A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE LIVES. LIVES. SO IT’S REALLY — IT’S NOT THAT SO IT’S REALLY — IT’S NOT THAT WE DON’T, YOU KNOW, IT’S NOT WE DON’T, YOU KNOW, IT’S NOT THAT IT COULDN’T WORK TO STOP THAT IT COULDN’T WORK TO STOP MASS SHOOTINGS IF THAT’S HOW WE MASS SHOOTINGS IF THAT’S HOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT’S A ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT’S A REALLY HARD THING TO STUDY. REALLY HARD THING TO STUDY. AND WE’RE GOING TO NEED MORE AND WE’RE GOING TO NEED MORE EVIDENCE FOR THAT. EVIDENCE FOR THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF GUN SUICIDES BUT, YOU KNOW, IF GUN SUICIDES ARE TWO-THIRDS OF THE GUN ARE TWO-THIRDS OF THE GUN DEATHS, WE’VE GOT PRETTY GOOD DEATHS, WE’VE GOT PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE FROM CONNECTICUT AND EVIDENCE FROM CONNECTICUT AND INDIANA THAT FOR EVERY TEN TO 20 INDIANA THAT FOR EVERY TEN TO 20 OF THESE GUN REMOVAL ACTIONS ONE OF THESE GUN REMOVAL ACTIONS ONE LIFE IS SAVED. LIFE IS SAVED.>>SO THIS IS GREAT ON SUICIDE>>SO THIS IS GREAT ON SUICIDE PREVENTION. PREVENTION. BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS DOES ANYTHING ON THE MASS THIS DOES ANYTHING ON THE MASS VIOLENCE FRONT. VIOLENCE FRONT. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? IS THAT FAIR TO SAY?>>I WOULD SAY WHAT WE HAVE IS>>I WOULD SAY WHAT WE HAVE IS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT’S KIND ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT’S KIND OF PERCOLATING UP FROM SOME OF OF PERCOLATING UP FROM SOME OF THE STATES THAT HAVE ENACTED THE STATES THAT HAVE ENACTED THESE IN RECENT YEARS OR RECENT THESE IN RECENT YEARS OR RECENT MONTHS ACTUALLY. MONTHS ACTUALLY. AND SO YOU’LL HAVE STORIES AND SO YOU’LL HAVE STORIES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HERE WAS A ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HERE WAS A PERSON WHO INTENDED MAYBE TO PERSON WHO INTENDED MAYBE TO CARRY OUT A SHOOTING, AND THE CARRY OUT A SHOOTING, AND THE PROCESS IDENTIFIED THAT PERSON. PROCESS IDENTIFIED THAT PERSON. THAT’S NOT THE SAME AS HAVING, THAT’S NOT THE SAME AS HAVING, YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FROM A BIG STUDY. FROM A BIG STUDY.>>SURE.>>SURE.>>SO, WE HAVE THAT KIND OF>>SO, WE HAVE THAT KIND OF THING. THING. AND I WOULD SAY IF WE ENACTED AND I WOULD SAY IF WE ENACTED THESE LAWS IN ALL STATES AND THESE LAWS IN ALL STATES AND REALLY SCALED THEM UP, YOU KNOW, REALLY SCALED THEM UP, YOU KNOW, LOGICALLY THE MORE FIREARMS ARE LOGICALLY THE MORE FIREARMS ARE REMOVED FROM DANGEROUS PEOPLE, REMOVED FROM DANGEROUS PEOPLE, THE MORE LIKELY IT’S GOING TO BE THE MORE LIKELY IT’S GOING TO BE THAT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, YOU THAT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO MIGHT KNOW, WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE ABOUT TO CARRY OUT A MASS BE ABOUT TO CARRY OUT A MASS SHOOTING. SHOOTING. AND YOU WOULD PREVENT THAT. AND YOU WOULD PREVENT THAT. YOU’RE NOT GOING TO HEAR THAT. YOU’RE NOT GOING TO HEAR THAT. THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE — THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE — YOU’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SHOW YOU’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SHOW ON WHAT DID NOT HAPPEN TODAY. ON WHAT DID NOT HAPPEN TODAY. BUT IF WE REALLY DID OVER TIME BUT IF WE REALLY DID OVER TIME HAVE A REDUCTION IN THIS HAVE A REDUCTION IN THIS NIGHTMARE OF MASS SHOOTINGS, NIGHTMARE OF MASS SHOOTINGS, THIS IS VERY COMPLEX. THIS IS VERY COMPLEX. THEN WHY WOULD IT MATTER HOW THEN WHY WOULD IT MATTER HOW IT’S HAPPENING? IT’S HAPPENING?>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS ABOUT THE>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS ABOUT THE BACKGROUND CHECKS SYSTEM THAT WE BACKGROUND CHECKS SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOW AND EVEN THE VARIOUS HAVE NOW AND EVEN THE VARIOUS PROPOSALS THAT WOULD TRY TO PROPOSALS THAT WOULD TRY TO CLOSE LOOPHOLES IN VARIOUS WAYS. CLOSE LOOPHOLES IN VARIOUS WAYS. THE BASIC BACKGROUND CHECK, IS THE BASIC BACKGROUND CHECK, IS IT TOUGH ENOUGH AS IT IS? IT TOUGH ENOUGH AS IT IS? SHOULD IT BE — SHOULD THERE BE SHOULD IT BE — SHOULD THERE BE A MENTAL — SHOULD THERE BE SOME A MENTAL — SHOULD THERE BE SOME ATTEMPT AT TESTING A MENTAL ATTEMPT AT TESTING A MENTAL STATE OF SOMEBODY? STATE OF SOMEBODY?>>WELL, I THINK THERE ARE LOTS>>WELL, I THINK THERE ARE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WITH THE BACKGROUND OF PROBLEMS WITH THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM AS IT IS. CHECK SYSTEM AS IT IS. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY GUNS AND THEY’RE MANY GUNS AND THEY’RE CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED, WHAT CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO TRY TO WE HAVE TO DO IS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY RISKY PEOPLE WHO ARE, IDENTIFY RISKY PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, POSE SUCH A RISK THAT YOU KNOW, POSE SUCH A RISK THAT IT’S JUSTIFIED TO LIMIT THEIR IT’S JUSTIFIED TO LIMIT THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT. SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT. WE ARE STUCK RIGHT NOW WITH THE WE ARE STUCK RIGHT NOW WITH THE RULES WE’VE HAD FOR A LONG TIME RULES WE’VE HAD FOR A LONG TIME DATING BACK TO THE 1968 GUN DATING BACK TO THE 1968 GUN CONTROL ACT. CONTROL ACT. SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE MENTAL SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE MENTAL HEALTH SIDE, INVOLUNTARY HEALTH SIDE, INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT OR A FEW FELONY COMMITMENT OR A FEW FELONY RECORDS. RECORDS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT’S TOO BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT’S TOO BROAD AND TOO NARROW AT THE SAME BROAD AND TOO NARROW AT THE SAME TIME. TIME. THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PROHIBITED FROM GUNS MAYBE PROHIBITED FROM GUNS MAYBE BECAUSE OF INVOLUNTARY BECAUSE OF INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT 25 YEARS AGO, THEY COMMITMENT 25 YEARS AGO, THEY DON’T POSE A RISK TO ANYBODY DON’T POSE A RISK TO ANYBODY NOW. NOW. MEANWHILE THERE ARE TONS OF MEANWHILE THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, IMPULSIVE PEOPLE OUT THERE, IMPULSIVE ANGRY PEOPLE WITH A SHORT FUSE ANGRY PEOPLE WITH A SHORT FUSE WHO ARE CARRYING GUNS AND WHO ARE CARRYING GUNS AND THEY’RE NOT PROHIBITED. THEY’RE NOT PROHIBITED. WE COULD HAVE A PERFECT WE COULD HAVE A PERFECT BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM AND THEY BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM AND THEY WOULD PASS IT. WOULD PASS IT. SO WE NEED BETTER CRITERIA AT SO WE NEED BETTER CRITERIA AT THE POINT OF SALE. THE POINT OF SALE. WE ALSO NEED, YOU KNOW, THE DATA WE ALSO NEED, YOU KNOW, THE DATA TO ACTUALLY BE IN THERE BECAUSE TO ACTUALLY BE IN THERE BECAUSE THE DATABASE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS, THE DATABASE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS, YOU KNOW, THE RECORDS THAT ARE YOU KNOW, THE RECORDS THAT ARE THERE. THERE.>>YOU DO THIS RESEARCH.>>YOU DO THIS RESEARCH. YOU’RE TRYING TO DO THIS YOU’RE TRYING TO DO THIS RESEARCH TO SEE IF THERE IS THE RESEARCH TO SEE IF THERE IS THE CORRELATION BETWEEN MENTAL CORRELATION BETWEEN MENTAL HEALTH AND MASS VIOLENCE. HEALTH AND MASS VIOLENCE. BUT YOU’RE LIMITED, AS YOU SAY, BUT YOU’RE LIMITED, AS YOU SAY, IS THERE DATA THE GOVERNMENT IS THERE DATA THE GOVERNMENT COULD BE PROVIDING THAT YOU COULD BE PROVIDING THAT YOU COULD IMPROVE YOUR RESEARCH THAT COULD IMPROVE YOUR RESEARCH THAT RIGHT NOW THEY’RE NOT PROVIDING, RIGHT NOW THEY’RE NOT PROVIDING, AND AS WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE AND AS WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN VERY GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN VERY HESITANT TO ALLOW GUN RESEARCH HESITANT TO ALLOW GUN RESEARCH TO GO FORWARD. TO GO FORWARD.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. IT’S BEEN TOUGH, YOU KNOW, FOR IT’S BEEN TOUGH, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE IN THE FIELD OF GUN PEOPLE IN THE FIELD OF GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION RESEARCH TO VIOLENCE PREVENTION RESEARCH TO GET FUNDING FROM THE GOVERNMENT GET FUNDING FROM THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE WITH THE BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE WITH THE CDC. CDC. RIGHT NOW THERE’S NO LEGAL RIGHT NOW THERE’S NO LEGAL IMPEDIMENT OR ORDER THAT SAYS IMPEDIMENT OR ORDER THAT SAYS THAT THE CDC CAN’T FUND, YOU THAT THE CDC CAN’T FUND, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH ON THE CAUSES AND KNOW, RESEARCH ON THE CAUSES AND CONSEQUENCES OF GUN VIOLENCE. CONSEQUENCES OF GUN VIOLENCE. THE PROBLEM IS GETTING THE MONEY THE PROBLEM IS GETTING THE MONEY APPROPRIATED TO DO THAT. APPROPRIATED TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF RESEARCH WHERE WHAT WE TRY TO DO RESEARCH WHERE WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS GO INTO A STATE AND MATCH IS GO INTO A STATE AND MATCH RECORDS OVER TIME FROM A LOT OF RECORDS OVER TIME FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES. DIFFERENT AGENCIES. SO LET’S TAKE A SAMPLE OF PEOPLE SO LET’S TAKE A SAMPLE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE PUBLIC BEHAVIORAL WHO ARE IN THE PUBLIC BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM AND LET’S MATCH HEALTH SYSTEM AND LET’S MATCH THEIR RECORDS GOING FORWARD, THEIR RECORDS GOING FORWARD, DEATH RECORDS AND ARREST RECORDS DEATH RECORDS AND ARREST RECORDS AND TRY TO DO SOME KIND OF AND TRY TO DO SOME KIND OF QUASI-EXPERIMENTAL ANALYSIS. QUASI-EXPERIMENTAL ANALYSIS. BECAUSE IF YOU’RE LOOKING FOR BECAUSE IF YOU’RE LOOKING FOR RARE EVENTS YOU NEED A LOT OF RARE EVENTS YOU NEED A LOT OF DATA. DATA. AND THAT’S COMPLICATED TO DO. AND THAT’S COMPLICATED TO DO. THE REGULATORY HURDLES YOU HAVE THE REGULATORY HURDLES YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ARE DAUNTING. TO GO THROUGH ARE DAUNTING. BUT THAT’S ONE WAY TO DO IT. BUT THAT’S ONE WAY TO DO IT. AND WE JUST HAVE TO STICK WITH AND WE JUST HAVE TO STICK WITH IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUILD IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUILD EVIDENCE FOR THINGS THAT WORK EVIDENCE FOR THINGS THAT WORK OVER TIME. OVER TIME. AND THEN BASICALLY PUT THINGS AND THEN BASICALLY PUT THINGS INTO PLACE AND HAVE THIS INTO PLACE AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BETWEEN CONVERSATION BETWEEN EVIDENCE-BASED POLICY AND EVIDENCE-BASED POLICY AND POLICY-INFORMED RESEARCH SO THAT POLICY-INFORMED RESEARCH SO THAT WE IMPROVE AS WE GO ALONG. WE IMPROVE AS WE GO ALONG.>>EVIDENCE-BASED POLICY AND>>EVIDENCE-BASED POLICY AND POLICY-INFORMED RESEARCH WOULD POLICY-INFORMED RESEARCH WOULD BE SO NICE TO HAVE. BE SO NICE TO HAVE. DR. SWENSON, PERHAPS YOU WILL DR. SWENSON, PERHAPS YOU WILL GET THAT GOVERNMENT FUNDING GET THAT GOVERNMENT FUNDING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER SO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME DEFINITIVE

63 thoughts on “If All States Had Red-Flag Laws, ‘Logically’ It Would Stop At Least One Shooter | MTP Daily | MSNBC

  • Vox Nihili Post author

    It would stop guns getting to the cartels and that would stop the cartel violence in central and south america. Cartels get their guns from america. That would help with the immigration problem caused by people feeling the gun violence there.

  • d wilson Post author

    No EL DIABLO TRUMP 2020

  • ThatsSOJohn Post author

    Obviously it would work; it won’t be perfect, but nothing is. The point is it’s something different than what we’ve been doing which has been nothing.. or at least whatever “it” is hasn’t shown any positive results..

  • Blade Runner Post author

    it's a step forward. a step towards a slippery slope that has needed sliding down for WAY too long. will it solve the whole problem? no matter, 'any port in a storm'.

  • P J Post author

    Who is the number 1 manufacturer & exporter worldwide of guns & arms? America! This is a world wide problem & not just an American one.

  • IR_Dankenstein Post author

    Ban ammo or highly restrict it and increase regulations over materials to create gunpowder.
    This way people can keep their guns, they'll just have to say "pew pew pew" to span out the ammo.

  • Togo Burrows Post author

    stop sensationalizing violence

  • Mr Underhill Post author

    how about not doping our kids up with psycho drugs to start with – there is a lot of evidence that a very large percentage of these shootings are done by people that have been on these meds – anti depressants , ADD etc.

  • Lucie Post author

    How does one know what works or what doesn't work if they don't put it to test. Why not ban military type assault weapons for a agreed upon period of time? Less mass murders, make it permanent or visa versa.

  • Hildebeast Clinton Post author

    We just witnessed an attempted coup of our President. Because their beloved Hillary broke the law then lost the election. Wikileaks blew it open.

  • She's my President Post author

    We need Anti MSNBCannibal laws where Andrea Greenspan is not allowed to have a chainsaw .. Andrea is unstoppable with her chainsaw thrash and slash chainsaw fighting skills and has use this power to control the Federal [email protected]

  • eve blot Post author

    with the state of our justice system, "red flag" laws, are just another racist trope, like red lining housing. the laws will be applied unequally and inequitably, regardless of our good intent. after 9/11/01 attacks we went to afghanistan and not to larry silversteins house, think about it. my mental health could now be called in to question, for ideating on 9/11/01 and gun control policy. you are welcome.

  • Gary Davidson Post author

    A vote for trump in 2020 is a vote for division and bloodshed

  • Jay Zenitram Post author

    So Doctor, how many people would die as a result of red flag laws? There have already been at least 2 cases were the police shot the gun owner during attempted confiscations.

  • Jeffrey Russell Jr Post author

    USC title 18, section 242.

  • david zero Post author

    Let's just outlaw bullets!

  • Melissa Archibald Post author

    Are red flag laws against somebody's civil rights? If you cut somebody off in traffic and they start road rage with you is that a red flag? Just because someone drinks heavy isn't a red flag. You can have a perfectly normal person suddenly go ape on a shooting spree nobody would have caught it.

  • Andrea Amrein Post author

    Beau of the Fifth Column talked about a study done that showed a serious correlation between mass shootings and the causes of them. The thing that all had in common was the inability of the shooters to cope. They didn’t have the coping skills needed in order for them to deal with the traumas in their past.
    Everyday people should know how to cope with things that they encounter in life. We need to teach coping skills. 😔

  • jerry henrie Post author

    ON BITCHUTE you can find the actual recording of FOX news channel 14 the day of the El Paso shooting at 2:37 PM when the lady says a shooting at Wal Mart, then she stops and listens to her ear piece and then corrects herself saying it hasn't happened yet? The shooting happened at 3PM. Many people at Wall Mart said they saw 3 men in all black with black hoods shooting people? This was a false flag done by the globalist elite scum.

  • Gary Steele Post author

    Did you know that the Trump campaign has an ad on your YouTube channel?

  • jordan elliott Post author

    Due process built into the front end?

    That'll be the day. "Due process" after the fact is what you're really talking about.

    Let's talk about pre-crime, Mr. Psychiatrist, and how you are going to keep paranoia at bay in a population with no faith to begin with. Are you sure you won't create the demons you are trying to fight? You clowns better quit with the statistics and show some talent, the horse is already out of the barn.
    .

  • c rt Post author

    https://www.yang2020.com/blog/combating-violence-hate/
    #AndrewYang

  • Jim Menard Post author

    IF THE FAKE LYING NEWS MSNBC AND CNN WHO PUSH HATE RASCISM AND VIOLENCE IN AMERICA AND HAVE THERE DEEPSTATE FALSE FLAG EVENTS SHOOTINGS WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION,YOUR LIES AND ATTACKING OUR PRESIDENT 24/7 IS WHY WHERE IN THIS SITUATION U IDIOTS.

  • Melissa Archibald Post author

    What drives it more is getting societal fear from mass media due to 24 hour news and immediate response. Mass shooters tend to study other mass shooters.

  • Barry Sutton Post author

    Liberal circular logic🤪
    If repealing the Second Amendment would save one life then it's worth it

  • Miles North Post author

    The only thing missing on the Red Flags are the hammer and sickle, commie.

    Nationwide conceal carry is the answer since evildoers already conceal their illegal guns.

  • Jacko Jew Jr R Post author

    Congrats one shooter while violating millions of rights. Red flag laws first and foremost break the most sacred part of the justice system, the presumption of innocence. Implement these laws, you have their by destroyed one of the foundations our country was built on. America is no longer America at that point, which is what you along. This is a fight for the soul of America, something that our enemies have tried to do for over a century.

  • Miles North Post author

    Before the commies added a hammer and sickle it was merely a Red Flag.

  • Miles North Post author

    Translation: if we strain the gnat we'll have room to swallow the camel. Matthew 23:24

  • Miles North Post author

    If we had nationwide Conceal Carry, more
    than one life would be saved since evildoers,
    who conceal the carry of their illegal weapons,
    will get gunned down in self defense.

  • Blither box Post author

    Won't somebody please think about the children.  They're being brainwashed in the schools remember?

  • Jorge Stolfi Post author

    Sigh. How many gun owners are there? How long would it take for them to be evaluated by the courts and have their guns removed? What will that do to unregistered guns?
    The only way to bring gun deaths to the level of civilized countries is to do what they do: CRIMINALIZE GUN POSSESSION except by active military and militarily-trained police. No exceptions. Highly unpopular? Criminals will resist? The NRA will not allow it? You will have to deal with those obstacles — but there is no other way.

  • Nancy Koernke Post author

    watch "America In Peril" by Mark Koernke  on youtube. It is a big we told you so. Liberty1775

  • vicki shaz Post author

    If a person is speeding, endangering lives, they lose their licence. If a gun owner is posing a threat to others, then they should lose the right to own guns

  • ruth depew Post author

    Actually, you would probably have to take guns away from about 10,000 people before you would stop one mass shooting, because the vast number of people who should not have guns never shoot anyone, and those who do, seldom shoot more than one or two people. On the other hand, we would all be safer.

  • TV꿀잼 Post author

    enemy of the United States. A supporter of the Democratic Party.

  • Connor Madeley Post author

    All red flag laws would do, is confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens. The solution is to have mass 'conceal carry'. Anti-gun people, love to focus on gun crime, but they never take into consideration the times when citizens have used guns in self-defense of themselves and others, of which astronomically supercedes the number of mass shootings – For every person murdered by a firearm, there's 1,000 people whom have had their lives saved by guns. Anti-gun people, are just totally irrational. On top of which, the 2nd amendment specifically says; "shall NOT be infringed". Anti-gun people are just unconstitutional, and should not be allowed to serve public office.

  • BUILD THE WALL Post author

    Must all of us give up our freedom to catch a few of them?

    I rather have dangerous freedom than peaceful slavery..

  • Elijah Wood Post author

    The government red flag laws allows the government to seize property without justification or evidence

  • E Earnest Post author

    We have red flag laws set in place in Colorado… Half of the counties in Colorado will not enforce it! Just another Republican Nazi tactic

  • exexpat11 Post author

    Another Patriot Act in the making aimed directly at American Citizens. So, when you divorce or have a neighbor that does not like what you say or someone on the internet wants to silence you your guns can be confiscated. If you think it will end there you are naive. Following that will lead to a Mass Incarceration of Americans in Prisons and Mental Institutions. Remember all those nuts that used to talk about FEMA Camps. They are coming. Trump is playing right into the Democrat's hands.

  • Jason Engelbrecht Post author

    and children back before the Civil War of 2020 the government enacted unconstitutional laws….. gun free zones are target zones

  • oakgrove1965 _ Post author

    More good people with guns.fight fire with fire.

  • oakgrove1965 _ Post author

    Try your flag on the gangs bangers.let me know how it works.

  • Bob Gillis Post author

    Gee, that pesky freedom of speech is getting in the way of things. We should pass a law that prevents people speaking things big business & government disagrees with.

  • Rob Taylor Post author

    Red flag law supporter👍👍👍…take all the guns. We don't need them. . .if we didn't have a tyrannical gov😆

  • che wangia Post author

    Red flag laws violate our constitutional rights. This shouldn't even be up for discussion.

  • lb 594 Post author

    Let the americans destroy them selves the world will be better for it build the wall and lock them in

  • SCCK gear Post author

    The people who came up with Red Flag laws are the real terrorists and nut cases! They're truly the evil communist types who were responsible for murdering millions of Russians during Bolshivek 1918. They own all the media and control our politicians in U.S. If Americans really understood and knew what these sociopaths were up to they would storm Washington like army ants. With Red flag. Laws you simply create a "hoplophobic" society and you will squeeze out gun ownership. It's down the road a bit but thats why all these shadow government ACCs "artificial crises creations" aka public shootings they're designed to condition youth to be hoplophobic then with RF laws it will work like a charm! Only thing there is a struggle going on in America over the gun and who will win? Todays gun owners are winning but decades down the road when todays gun owners leave the earth like the snows of yesteryear. Your left with hoplophobics? Or 2nd amendment heater believers. Who will win?

  • Epona124 Post author

    The red flag law would allow democrats to abuse them and have everyone who doesn't agree with them declared mentally unstable.

    Concentration camps for those who THINK differently are next!

    The country has gone insane. Thanks to Marxist universities / Elite satanic paedovores.

  • joe Post author

    Supporting red flag laws disqualifies you from being a 2A supporter and American.

  • STEVE P Post author

    Ever hear of due process?. Why don't they say anything about the people killed in Chicago every weekend or the thousands of innocent babies aborted?.

  • Miles North Post author

    If we outlawed abortion, it would save at least one life.

  • Miles North Post author

    If it's time to bury your guns, it's time to dig them up.

  • Walt Schmidt Post author

    " The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try and take it." Thomas Jefferson…

  • Michael Mathis Post author

    If Grandpa is depressed why can't the family take the guns away? Why can't family keep guns away from mental patients? Why do we need government to do the work of friends and family! You know how government has handled other responsibilities!

  • Michael Mathis Post author

    Just a .00001 percent of those who pass the background check and purchase a gun commit mass killings! Remember, there are a 100 + million legal gun owners in the US of which very very few commit crimes with those legally bought gun(s).

  • Dan Cardoza Post author

    The f.b.i is finally looking into 8chan and other sites so everything helps at this point.

  • Google User Post author

    No low IQ liberal has EVER used logic!!!
    ……
    The FACT is Red Flag laws are ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL which is why communust Democrats embrace the idea!!!
    …….
    Anything that protects CRIMINALS and further disarms victims
    is what they will support!!!!

  • Robert Barney Post author

    How many more innocent people can be punished, or force used against people who have not committed any offence? How many of the weak can we render completely defenceless against crime? Laws should not be used to punish innocence!

  • Rachael Post author

    Red flag laws are only being allowed to be discussed because it doesnt hurt the sales of any of these guns. Its not the answer, its just the NRA's compromise. It also opens the door to serious abuse by law enforcement.

    If we arent willing to get rid of military grade weaponry in civilian hands, we need to at least institute a safety licensing program for them. The licensing must include pysch evaluations at least annually, preferably more. (this can be done these days via video chat FFS.). Must include practical as well as written testing.

    Prove you know how to use it, prove you are safe with it, and I got no problem with you having it.

    The 100+ round mags? No. No excuse, no defense, no reason for a civilian to ever need that many rounds without reloading. Those things have ONE purpose, and thats killing lots of people.

  • John Mc Post author

    WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO CONFISCATING THE THREAT ?? (THE PERSON) WITH THE ILLNESS…..
    DID THAT GET TOO EXPENSIVE ?? WHY MAKE ALL THESE CRAZY LAWS, THAT CRIMINALS WILL NOT FALLOW ANYWAY ? WAIST OF TIME, MONEY, RESOURCES AND MEDIA ?? WAKE UP OR STAY ASLEEP..

  • Happy Raccoon Post author

    Doing a run around the US Bill of Rights. Just accuse someone

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