From PORN & HOMOSEXUALITY to the CROSS | Full Episode | 700 Club Interactive

From PORN & HOMOSEXUALITY to the CROSS | Full Episode | 700 Club Interactive

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It started with a glimpse. I can still remember that first image that I looked at. An image that led to an encounter. It opened my mind up to a world that I had never been exposed to. One man’s hidden life. I had a hook up with a gentleman that I had met on the beach. And what happened when his secret was exposed. On today’s 700 Club Interactive. Welcome to the show. Kristen Waggoner is the senior VP at a firm the Washington Post calls the Christian legal powerhouse. She and her team have argued and won many cases in front of the Supreme Court. One of those cases includes the high profile victory for Masterpiece Cakeshop. Kristen has long wanted to fight for religious freedom and she learned how to do that by attending Regent University. In 2017, Kristen Waggoner would again find herself arguing a controversial case before the Supreme Court. In Masterpiece Cakeshop versus the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. Shop owner Jack Phillips had been ordered by the state of Colorado to make wedding cakes for same sex couples. That went against his Christian beliefs. The principle at stake in Masterpiece is whether an American and creative professional can be forced to speak a message that violates their convictions. Since 2013 Kristen has been a lawyer at the Alliance Defending Freedom. She’s now the senior vice president of the legal division. But before she launched her career she wanted a solid biblical based education in the law. And so for me the only option was Regent. And I didn’t apply anywhere else. I wanted to go to Regent. Kristen said she always knew God had a purpose for her life. When I was growing up my dad had told me time and again that if you miss what God has called you to do that you’ve basically missed the purpose for your life and that true joy and fulfillment comes from living a life designed to give glory to God. She found her calling to go into law at a church youth camp. And I wrote it down. So it’s, I’ve got it written out on a page of notebook paper that I wrote when I was 13 and it’s framed and sitting by my bed. A lot of it is about how hard that it will be to pursue this calling. But that it’s to focus on the next generation and to protect religious freedom for Christian schools and religious ministries. Essentially it’s to keep the door open for the gospel. After getting her undergraduate degree at Northwest University, Kristen had her choice of law schools, but for her purposes Regent Law School was the clear choice. That first year of law school was phenomenal. I mean just the way that we studied what the law is and where did that come from, looking in the Old Testament and the New Testament. I obviously have worked with a number of lawyers that have gone to Ivy League schools. They don’t get that in their legal education. And it was pivotal for me. After graduating magna cumme laude from Regent, Kristen went on to a judicial clerkship in the Washington State Supreme Court. The other clerks they had were from very big well known schools, many of them the Ivy League Schools. And what I quickly found was I felt like I had had a better education because they didn’t know what the common law really was. They didn’t know where the law came from, what the foundation of it was, what purposes it should serve. So I felt not only as prepared as others, but even better prepared in all respects when I entered the market place. After some time at a a prestigious firm in Seattle, Kristen took a position at Alliance Defending Freedom, or ADF, to fulfill God’s calling and stand up for religious freedom cases full time. We have lawyers that have graduated from many of the Ivy League Schools and yet time and again the Regent grads, they just excel in what they do. And not only in the quality of their legal work, but in the tenacity with which they do it. In her six plus years at ADF, she and her team have won eight cases before the Supreme Court, including the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, one of the biggest cases of her career. When you meet people like Jack Phillips, it’s the greatest, it’s the greatest privilege to get to stand by someone like that because you see the horrendous pressure that’s being put on them, the political pressure. You know I would call him and he would have just gotten off the phone from having a death threat. And so no matter what kind of pressure we take as lawyers to stand by people like that, like how could you not be wanting to do that and stand before the court? Kristen continues to pursue her calling with passion and excellence, built on the foundation she received at Regent Law school. Every day I try to party not only for myself but for my team four things. That we would have wisdom, that we would have fortitude, that we would have self discipline, and that we would have joy. I can’t imagine doing what I do without knowing that Christ goes before us and that ultimately the victory is not up to me. Otherwise it just seems that it’s an overwhelming job that we’re not capable of. And we’re not capable of it, but God knows what we need. Well there’s a look behind the headlines to see the personalities involved. And hats off to Alliance Defending Freedom. And also hats off to Kristen Waggoner. What an incredible life story to say this is what I want to do. This is what I want to do with my life. I want to stand in the gap. And she took the time to say how do I get property prepared for what I want to do? And she took those steps. But what an amazing back story. And what it is to say how do we defend religious freedom in today’s culture? Unfortunately, I don’t think that cake case out of Colorado is going to be the end of the matter. We’re going to see again and again challenges brought to freedom of conscience that are you now going to be required by the state to violate your conscience? We’re going to see this again. The challenges continue. The challenges continue for the baker involved in that case. Boy it makes you grateful that quality people like Kristen are in position to defend people of faith. You know that understanding of the beginning, the origin of the law is crucial. And not many people have that background, that understanding, but then to have people that you’re arguing cases with that don’t have it must be, you need tenacity. Yeah. In Western civilization, and this isn’t well known, but all of our roots of law go back to the torah. That is the foundational document for all Jurisprudence in America today. And that was the foundational document for British common law. They would routinely look to the Bible for guidance. Let’s do that again. (laughing) While Regent’s goal is to produce leaders in constitutional law, graduates from the program are practicing in 39 states and more than 20 countries. So if you’d like more information, here’s the number to call, it’s 1-866-910-7615. Or you can visit www.regent.edu. And let me underline it’s not too late to apply. They’re taking applications for the class entering this September. So you can apply and be admitted now. Well the arc of the covenant inspired filmmakers and archeologists alike in search of the answer to the question what happened to the treasures of the second temple? You’ll find the answer to that question in our new DVD. Take a look. The Jewish treasures remain in Rome’s temple of peace until 455, when the vandals invaded Rome and emptied it’s treasury. They will come from the capital, which was Carthage. They come to Rome and they start to loot the city to take all the marvels of the treasures, whatever they could, hence the name vandalism when we want to speak about a distraction. I don’t know if they really knew what they were from the point of spiritual point of view. With Rome in ruins, the vandals sailed home to Carthage in North Africa, and historians say they took the Jewish treasure with them. Procopius writes that the leader of the vandals placed an exceedingly great amount of gold and other imperial treasure in his ships and sailed to Carthage. And among these were the treasures of the Jew. Get your copy of Treasures of the Second Temple, available now. well it’s a great mystery what happened to the temple articles, talking about the golden menorah, the table of showbread, the other articles that were in the temple, within the temple. The Romans took them as trophies. They didn’t melt them down and sell them, they put them in a temple of their own in Rome. That was looted and went to Carthage. And then Carthage was conquered and went to Constantinople. And then a Christian emperor said well these belong back in Jerusalem. So where are they today? Well if you want the answer get your DVD, Treasures of the Second Temple. It’s yours for a donation of any dollar amount. What we’re asking for donations for is so that we can fund more documentaries about archeology coming out of Israel. These wonderful films that we’re producing about Israel. Your donation will go to that. So if you’d like to be a part of it call us, 1-800-700-7000. Say I’d like to have temple treasure. Or you can go to CBN.com/treasure. Terry. Well up next, from Compton to Oxford. The improbable story of one man’s journey from poverty to the pinnacle of academic achievement. Don’t go away. (upbeat music) Hello, we all enjoy against all odds story, but amidst the unlikely tales you might hear or see on TV, there’s a difference between improbable and miraculous. Well our guest today wouldn’t be here without some divine intervention. Take a look. Caylin Moore defied the odds as a kid growing up in Compton. He would become a prestigious road scholar at Oxford. But his journey to get there was nothing short of miraculous. You have to dream dreams that are too big. You have to dream dreams that are so big, so unimaginable, so unfathomable, so unrealistic that they are destined to fail without divine intervention. In his book A Dream Too Big, Caylin shares how his pursuit of hope and unflinching fait in God helped him overcome tremendous adversity, and how you can too. Caylin joins us now. It’s nice to have you on the program today. Thank you, it’s my pleasure to be here. You’re mother said that your family was sort of like the Huxtables, and then things just kind of exploded and fell apart, and you found yourself in Compton. What was that like for you? Yeah it was just a stark contrast between what I experienced in the upper middle class area. My parents were married for nine years. Then after they divorced, now you hear gun shots at nighttime. And you’re getting used to hearing rats and roaches in the wall. It was just, it was hard to deal with as a kid. Your mom was an amazing lady. I mean she had the ability to implant in your heart and in your mind the ability that you could be whatever you wanted to be, not where you were. That’s a hard thing to teach a child. I think it is difficult, but it takes a lot of role modeling. So my mom, despite all of her struggles, she went back to law school and she graduated from law school during this time period. So that set a certain type of example. And for me, you know, I inherited that belief in myself and that faith from my mom. You know you outline in the book how difficult it was to hang on to that belief, Caylin. You had everything, everything working against you really. I mean your safety in the area that you lived in, the fear that you dealt with because of that. Even teachers, coaches, people who should have been inspiring and calling you to a higher place were sort of saying who do you think you are? Right. How’d you deal with that? I think, you know, I had to have that faith, as I said, the same type of faith that I inherited from my mom. She always told us that we may live in the hood but the hood does not have to live in us. So it kind of put me in a mindset that you know I need to see beyond these things. I need to know that hurt people hurt people. Yes. So even if people are putting me down or telling me that I can’t be something, I need to know that they probably went through things and they weren’t able to become what they became for whatever reason so I need to see beyond that. You had a kind of gritty determination that worked on your behalf that you’d like to think every young person that lives in difficult circumstances would grab hold of. But you, your work ethic is unbelievable. I mean as I’m reading your book I’m thinking I don’t know that I would have done that, he’s doing that. There were times that you got discouraged, how did you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and say no, we’re gonna keep going forward? Well where I come from quitting is not an option. You know a lot of times I think kids can get in a difficult circumstance and say I’m gonna quit and I’m gonna go back home or go to mom’s basement. We didn’t have a basement and there was nowhere to go. I would be sleeping on the floor in the garage. So I told myself that even if I quit or if I wanna give up there’s nowhere to go to. So I need to find something within and find something above to hold onto in order to push me forward. How did you make college a reality? A lot of hard work. A lot of mentorship. A lot of opportunities that I was afforded that unfortunately in a very under funded, under resourced area a lot of other kids didn’t get those chances. You know it seemed like your antennae were up all the time going where’s the opportunity? Where’s the opportunity? Ah-ha. And then you dug in with everything that you had. Even going into the NCAA division I football arena, you know, you had an opportunity to be successful there, for your parents to see you play. That was miraculous really. It really was. Just as you said, I always had to have my antennae up about the next opportunity because I knew they wouldn’t come, you know come to my front door very often. I remember going to college and the first week of school I put on a shirt and tie similar to this and I went to every office on campus. And I said hello, my name is Caylin Moore, do you have any opportunities for me to better myself? Wow. Because that, I was coming from such a low position that I was like you know if someone could just teach me something anywhere on this campus I wanna benefit from that. You know, when I read your book, I wanna mention so we get all of this in because you need to read the book, it’s an amazing book. You went then from your career academically on to become a road scholar. I mean that would have seemed impossible to most people, most people. People who hadn’t come from where you’d come from. What did you think when they announced your name? When they announced Caylin Moore, you are a 2017 Road Scholar for district, whichever district it was, I just immediately, I stood, I remember I stood still in place in my shoes and I just looked at my shoes. And I stood there for about 37 seconds. And the reason why is that if I stepped forward to shake the woman’s hand of congratulations that would be me accepting that anything was possible and for 37 seconds I wasn’t ready to deal with that yet. Wow. But it was possible. What would you say to young people who might be watching, not even young people, there are people at any phase of life where life kind of beats you down and says no you won’t. What advice would you give them to really stand up, strap themselves up again and head for the future. Right. I would say, you know, as difficult as the circumstances may be, I encourage anyone going through anything to hold onto their faith in things unseen because I know for a fact that there is a brighter tomorrow. I have to believe this. And you’re still pursuing your brighter tomorrow. What’s next for you? You’re getting a PhD you hope. Yeah, I’m applying to PhD programs in the fall. So my hope is to become a tenured professor somewhere in studying sociology so I can help change some of these issues that I talk about in the book. Lets take back academia. (laughing) Please. (laughing) Well Caylin’s book is called A Dream Too Big. It’s the story of an improbable journey from Compton to Oxford. It’s awesome. You’ve gotta pick it up and read it. Not just for yourself, pass it on to somebody else who needs it. Thank you. Thank you. Great story. Yes, ma’am, thank you. Brady and his wife went to Hawaii for their 10th anniversary. While there, Brady went trolling the beaches for men. Brady had tried to keep his desires under wraps but he knew he wouldn’t be able to keep it a secret forever. It was really a cycle of going through guilt and conviction and then having all these desires, and so I’ll feed those desires and then crash them down with guilt and conviction again. It was just a roller coaster. Brady Rand was 12 when he was first exposed to pornography. One of my friends, he had taken a magazine from his dad’s collection, and even to this day I can still remember that first image that I looked at. It opened my mind up to a world that I had never been exposed to. And so I really wanted to just explore that. Not long after that Brady and another male friend had their first sexual encounter. We began talking about sex and then eventually we did start experimenting with each other. It occurred to me that I should probably talk to somebody about this. And I, but I never did, just out of fear of, you know, what they would think. Fear of what my parents would think. After high school he joined the Navy. I had been stationed in Hawaii. My desires to be with other men really kind of amped up at that point. And there’s a lot of opportunities. There’s different bars and there’s different hang outs and those kind of things. Brady’s promiscuity was always in conflict with his Christian upbringing. God was convicting me during those times, and trying to let me know, hey this isn’t the right away. But after that guilt and those convictions would wear off it would be more and more difficult to abstain from those things. Brady was discharged from the service and returned to Oklahoma, where he married his high school sweetheart. And they had two children. All the while Brady kept his secret life hidden. I loved my first wife with my whole heart. I believed that if I married this woman, if I had this woman with me every day of my life, maybe those, maybe that would help stave off this desire. For many years Brady was faithful to his wife and stayed active in his church. But in 2006 the couple made plans to celebrate their 10th anniversary. We planned an eight day trip to Hawaii. And I should have recognized that that was gonna be a trigger for me. It was probably about three or four days into our trip I went back to that first gay beach that I had gone to back whenever I had first moved to Hawaii. And I had a hookup with a gentleman that I had met on the beach. That trip set Brady back on his old pattern for several more years. I had gone six years without cheating on my wife. I had made this commitment to God that I had now broken. Whenever we got back from our trip, I kind of had this mindset of I just didn’t really care anymore about that. And about suppressing that. I had gotten my first desktop computer and of course that just opens up a whole new world as far as pornography is concerned and I did kind of go into this deep hole of pornography and just kind of buried myself in that. I started meeting other men. Brady and his wife started attending a different church despite the fact that her health began deteriorating from diabetes. She wanted to be at church. She knew that she wasn’t gonna be here a lot longer and she wanted to make the most of it. Brady’s pastor then invited him to attend a conference. I really had reached this point of hopelessness. I would have thoughts of suicide because, just because of that despair and just that guilt that I had felt. I had really stopped hearing from God and I wasn’t able to hear his voice anymore. All of a sudden I felt this desire to go to the conference, that I needed to be there. And looking back at that moment I know that it was God. It was the Holy Spirit. Brady’s life changed forever that weekend. I had never been to a prayer conference, and Pastor Corey Jones, that was one of his conferences. He’s felt led to just bring the church back to praying and back to commitment of really crying out to God and that’s what his conference was about. At one point in the conference Brady felt a hand on his shoulder. I connected eyes with the pastor. Within about 25 or 30 seconds he was standing next to me. And he had his hand on my shoulder and he just said, he just begun to pray over me. He said that whenever he was sitting there on the stage looking out at the crowd that my face was the only face that he could see, that everything else was kind of blurred out. And God told Pastor Corey I want you to go and pray that he will be filled with the spirit. For the first time in my life I began to feel the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit just falling on me. And it was a powerful, powerful thing. And all of that sin, I could literally feel it leaving my body. And it was in that moment that I just began to weep uncontrollably. Just tears pouring out of my face. And it was maybe about 10 seconds later I realized that sin that I had asked God for 26 years to take out of my life, I could feel that leaving my body. Literally leaving my body. And at that point I began to laugh uncontrollably because I was so happy. I was so excited to finally be free of this. And I knew that it was authentic. I knew that this was an actual encounter with the Holy Spirit, with God. Brady started being discipled at his church and has never looked back. The freedom that I felt from that encounter with the Holy Spirit was life changing. I knew that this was forever, not just something that I did on my own. Sadly, Brady’s first wife passed away in 2014 as a result of complications from her diabetes. Two years later Brady married Raquel. They now have a blended family of four and are both involved in ministry. If I could say anything to anybody that’s struggling today with, with that maybe suicidal thoughts, maybe just depression, or maybe just hopelessness. I want them to know that Jesus is real. Jesus is still in the business of changing people. That he cares about you deeply and there is true freedom that’s available to them. Just don’t give up on hope. Don’t give up on hope because hope is always there for you. It’s eternal. He is the God of all hope. I think many people are like Brady. You grew up Christian, and then for whatever reason you get involved with, the Bible calls it besetting sin. It just seems to be a recurring pattern of compulsion that you can’t get free of. And sexual recurring sin are the ones that literally the Bible says like putting hot coals into your chest. It separates you from God. That’s what the Bible says. Sin always separates you. And whether that sin is a recurrent problem with pornography, whether it’s fornication, adultery, any of the list of sexual sins, the Bible says avoid these at all costs. And even in the New Testament era, that is the one thing they avoid sexual immortality. Avoid idolatry, avoid sexual immorality. These are the things that separate. And when you look at the history of Israel and the Israelites would engage in sexual immorality, whether that was around the golden calf or with the people from Midian. It separated them. It kindled God’s anger. But what’s also kindled is his love and his mercy and his guidance. And so here he prompts Brady go to this prayer conference. At the conference he prompts the pastor, pray for him, and the blessing to be prayed for, the blessing of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. That God wanted that prayer for Brady, wanted him to be filled with the spirit. And wanted him to have the weight of sin removed from his life. If you want this, if you want to be free, truly free, not something the world manufactures, but something divine, where the weight of sin is lifted off it. Pray with me. And let God do all the rest. Jesus, that’s right say his name, say it out loud, Jesus, I come to you and you know the sin that weighs on my heart. Jesus I turn from it now and I ask that you fill me with your spirit. So my desires are replaced by a desire for you. Cleanse me, make me new. For I ask it in Jesus’ name, amen. If you prayed with me, give me a call and lest me know, 1-800-700-7000. Got a free packet for you called A New Day. It’s all free. Phone call’s free, packet’s free. Here’s a word from Corinthians. Now the Lord is the spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. God bless you. (upbeat music)

2 thoughts on “From PORN & HOMOSEXUALITY to the CROSS | Full Episode | 700 Club Interactive

  • Edem Americain Post author

    Thank you god

  • Krypto's Tech Tips Post author

    i was first exposed to pornography at the age of 6

    now my homosexual attractions are insane and i'm addicted to homosexual pornography

    i just want to leave this earth, honestly

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