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NICOLLE WALLACE” STARTS RIGHT NOW. NOW.>>>HI, EVERYONE.>>>HI, EVERYONE. IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. A LEGAL THEORY THAT HAS LONG A LEGAL THEORY THAT HAS LONG BEEN WHISPERED ABOUT BY LEGAL BEEN WHISPERED ABOUT BY LEGAL EXPERTS AND VETERAN PROSECUTORS EXPERTS AND VETERAN PROSECUTORS HAS SPILLED OUT INTO THE OPEN IN HAS SPILLED OUT INTO THE OPEN IN THE WAKE OF MICHAEL COHEN’S THE WAKE OF MICHAEL COHEN’S EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY. EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY. THE POSSIBILITY THAT DONALD THE POSSIBILITY THAT DONALD TRUMP AND THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION TRUMP AND THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION ARE BEING INVESTIGATED AS A ARE BEING INVESTIGATED AS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. THE UNDERCURRENTS HAVE BEEN THE UNDERCURRENTS HAVE BEEN THERE ALL ALONG. THERE ALL ALONG. FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS AND LAWMAKERS OFFICIALS AND LAWMAKERS COMPARING DONALD TRUMP’S CONDUCT COMPARING DONALD TRUMP’S CONDUCT TO THAT OF A MOB BOSS. TO THAT OF A MOB BOSS.>>IT’S LIKE, YOU KNOW, A “IS A>>IT’S LIKE, YOU KNOW, A “IS A PRAWN PRAWN SOPRANOS” EPISODE, TONY IS GOING SOPRANOS” EPISODE, TONY IS GOING TO BE A POORLY LIT PARKING TO BE A POORLY LIT PARKING GARAGE AND MEETING WITH A LEADER GARAGE AND MEETING WITH A LEADER FROM ANOTHER MOB. FROM ANOTHER MOB.>>THIS IS CLASSIC KIND OF>>THIS IS CLASSIC KIND OF CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE BEHAVIOR. CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE BEHAVIOR. RIGHT? RIGHT? YOU HAVE A VERY — A STRONG YOU HAVE A VERY — A STRONG LEADER WHO RULES BY FORCE OF LEADER WHO RULES BY FORCE OF WILL AND PERMITSONALITY, WHO WILL AND PERMITSONALITY, WHO DEMANDS UNQUESTIONED LOYALTY DEMANDS UNQUESTIONED LOYALTY FROM THOSE PEOPLE AROUND HIM. FROM THOSE PEOPLE AROUND HIM.>>HOW STRANGE IS IT FOR YOU TO>>HOW STRANGE IS IT FOR YOU TO SIT HERE AND COMPARE THE SIT HERE AND COMPARE THE PRESIDENT TO A MOB BOSS? PRESIDENT TO A MOB BOSS?>>VERY STRANGE.>>VERY STRANGE. AND I DON’T DO IT LIGHTLY. AND I DON’T DO IT LIGHTLY. AND I’M NOT TRYING TO, BY THE AND I’M NOT TRYING TO, BY THE WAY, SUGGEST THATING INGING LEGS WAY, SUGGEST THATING INGING LEGS SHAKING DOWN SHOPKEEPERS. SHAKING DOWN SHOPKEEPERS. INSTEAD, WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD, WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT IS THAT LEADERSHIP CULTURE IS THAT LEADERSHIP CULTURE CONSTANTLY COMES BACK TO ME WHEN CONSTANTLY COMES BACK TO ME WHEN I THINK ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE WITH I THINK ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.>>AND IN A PIECE OUT TODAY IN>>AND IN A PIECE OUT TODAY IN “THE NEW YORK TIMES,” GARRETT “THE NEW YORK TIMES,” GARRETT GRAFT DESCRIBES HOW PURSUING GRAFT DESCRIBES HOW PURSUING TRUMP WORLD AS A MOB OPERATION TRUMP WORLD AS A MOB OPERATION COULD TAKE DOWN TRUMP AND HIS COULD TAKE DOWN TRUMP AND HIS ENTIRE EMPIRE. ENTIRE EMPIRE. WRITING, “INDICTING THE WHOLE WRITING, “INDICTING THE WHOLE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS A, QUOTE, TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS A, QUOTE, CORRUPTION ENTERPRISE, COULD CORRUPTION ENTERPRISE, COULD HELP PROSECUTORS ADDRESS THE HELP PROSECUTORS ADDRESS THE THORNY QUESTION OF WHETHER THE THORNY QUESTION OF WHETHER THE PRESIDENT CAN BE INDICTED IN PRESIDENT CAN BE INDICTED IN OFFICE. OFFICE. THEY COULD LAY OUT A WHOLE THEY COULD LAY OUT A WHOLE PATTERN OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, PATTERN OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, INDICT NUMEROUS PLAYERS INDICT NUMEROUS PLAYERS INCLUDING, PERHAPS, TRUMP FAMILY INCLUDING, PERHAPS, TRUMP FAMILY MEMBERS, AND LEAVE THE MEMBERS, AND LEAVE THE PRESIDENT, HIMSELF, AS A NAMED PRESIDENT, HIMSELF, AS A NAMED UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR. UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR. SUCH AN ACTION WOULD ALLOW SUCH AN ACTION WOULD ALLOW INVESTIGATORS TO MAKE PUBLIC ALL INVESTIGATORS TO MAKE PUBLIC ALL THE KNOWN ACTIVITY FOR CONGRESS THE KNOWN ACTIVITY FOR CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC TO CONSIDER AS AND THE PUBLIC TO CONSIDER AS PART OF IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS OR PART OF IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS OR RE-ELECTION. RE-ELECTION. IT WOULD ALSO ACTIVATE POWERFUL IT WOULD ALSO ACTIVATE POWERFUL FORFEITURE TOOLS FOR PROSECUTORS FORFEITURE TOOLS FOR PROSECUTORS THAT COULD ALLOW THEM TO SEIZE THAT COULD ALLOW THEM TO SEIZE THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION’S ASSETS THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION’S ASSETS AND CUT OFF ITS INCOME STREAMS.” AND CUT OFF ITS INCOME STREAMS.” AND ON THE CONGRESSIONAL FRONT AND ON THE CONGRESSIONAL FRONT TODAY, ADAM SCHIFF ANNOUNCING HE TODAY, ADAM SCHIFF ANNOUNCING HE HAS HIRED VETERAN RUSSIAN MOB HAS HIRED VETERAN RUSSIAN MOB PROSECUTOR, SEE A THEME PROSECUTOR, SEE A THEME EMERGING, FOLKS, DANIEL GOLDMAN, EMERGING, FOLKS, DANIEL GOLDMAN, TO RUN THE HOUSE INTEL TO RUN THE HOUSE INTEL INVESTIGATION INTO THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. IT’S IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS IT’S IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DEVASTATING LEGAL PERIL THAT THE DEVASTATING LEGAL PERIL THAT THE PRESIDENT APPEARS TO BE PRESIDENT APPEARS TO BE SPIRALING INTO MELTDOWN MODE, SPIRALING INTO MELTDOWN MODE, TWEETING, “PRESIDENTIAL TWEETING, “PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT IN HIS OUTSIDE VOICE HARASSMENT IN HIS OUTSIDE VOICE AS A REFRAIN IN PUBLICLY AS A REFRAIN IN PUBLICLY ATTACKING THE NUMEROUS ATTACKING THE NUMEROUS INVESTIGATIONS INTO HIS CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS INTO HIS CONDUCT THAT ARE NOW ENCIRCLING THE THAT ARE NOW ENCIRCLING THE WHITE HOUSE, HIS FAMILY, HIS WHITE HOUSE, HIS FAMILY, HIS BUSINESSES, AND HIS CLOSEST BUSINESSES, AND HIS CLOSEST ALLIES.” ALLIES.”>>THE WITCH HUNT CONTINUES.>>THE WITCH HUNT CONTINUES. THE FACT IS THAT I GUESS WE GOT THE FACT IS THAT I GUESS WE GOT 81 LETTERS. 81 LETTERS. THERE WAS NO COLLUSION. THERE WAS NO COLLUSION. THERE WAS A HOAX. THERE WAS A HOAX. THERE WAS NO ANYTHING. THERE WAS NO ANYTHING. AND THEY WANT TO DO THAT INSTEAD AND THEY WANT TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF GETTING LEGISLATION PASSED. OF GETTING LEGISLATION PASSED. 81 PEOPLE OR ORGANIZATIONS GOT 81 PEOPLE OR ORGANIZATIONS GOT LETTERS. LETTERS. IT’S A DISGRACE. IT’S A DISGRACE. IT’S A DISGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY. IT’S A DISGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY.>>AND THAT’S WHERE WE START>>AND THAT’S WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI IS BACK. IS BACK. ELLIOT WILLIAMS. ELLIOT WILLIAMS. FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL JOINS US. GENERAL JOINS US. ELLIOT, WE SHOULD ALSO ADD, NOW ELLIOT, WE SHOULD ALSO ADD, NOW DOES WORK FOR AN ORGANIZATION DOES WORK FOR AN ORGANIZATION ADVOCATING FOR THE PROTECTION OF ADVOCATING FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. HERE AT THE TABLE, MATTHEW HERE AT THE TABLE, MATTHEW MILLER, FORMER CHIEF SPOKESMAN MILLER, FORMER CHIEF SPOKESMAN AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR THE WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR THE “L.A. TIMES,” ELI STOKOLS IS “L.A. TIMES,” ELI STOKOLS IS HERE. HERE. ALYSSA MASTERMONACO MAKES HER ALYSSA MASTERMONACO MAKES HER TRU TRU TRIUMPHANT RETURN TO “DEADLINE TRIUMPHANT RETURN TO “DEADLINE WHITE HOUSE.” WHITE HOUSE.” AND DONNY DEUTSCH IS BACK. AND DONNY DEUTSCH IS BACK. I GOT TO START WITH YOU, DONNY, I GOT TO START WITH YOU, DONNY, BECAUSE YOU’RE SORT OF LIKE MEL BECAUSE YOU’RE SORT OF LIKE MEL GIBSON IN THE MOVIE WHERE HE GIBSON IN THE MOVIE WHERE HE SEES THE CONSPIRACY BEFORE SEES THE CONSPIRACY BEFORE ANYBODY — YOU KNOW THE ONE I’M ANYBODY — YOU KNOW THE ONE I’M TALKS ABOUT? TALKS ABOUT? PEOPLE THINKS HE’S NUTS. PEOPLE THINKS HE’S NUTS. JULIA ROBERTS BELIEVES HIM BUT JULIA ROBERTS BELIEVES HIM BUT NOBODY ELSE. NOBODY ELSE. YOU’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YOU’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS. MONTHS.>>I GUESS MAYBE WHY I HAD A>>I GUESS MAYBE WHY I HAD A LITTLE FORWARD THINKING IS JUST LITTLE FORWARD THINKING IS JUST BECAUSE OF 20 YEAR OF KNOWING BECAUSE OF 20 YEAR OF KNOWING HOW THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION DOES HOW THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION DOES BUSINESS. BUSINESS. WATCHING ALL THESE LITTLE PIECES WATCHING ALL THESE LITTLE PIECES FALL INTO PLACE. FALL INTO PLACE. AND YOU STEP BACK AND I ALSO GO AND YOU STEP BACK AND I ALSO GO ON THE PREMISE OF LAW ON THE PREMISE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ALL ABOUT ENFORCEMENT IS ALL ABOUT STOPPING THE NEXT GUY FROM DOING STOPPING THE NEXT GUY FROM DOING IT, AND, YOU KNOW, I SAID THIS IT, AND, YOU KNOW, I SAID THIS ON YOUR SHOW BEFORE, WE HAVE A ON YOUR SHOW BEFORE, WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO’S BASICALLY SHOWED PRESIDENT WHO’S BASICALLY SHOWED UP AND TRIED TO DUMP ON 2 IT00 UP AND TRIED TO DUMP ON 2 IT00 YEARS OF HISTORY, SEPARATION OF YEARS OF HISTORY, SEPARATION OF POWERS. POWERS. THE BASIC TENETS OF MADISONIAN THE BASIC TENETS OF MADISONIAN DEMOCRACY, FREE PRESS. DEMOCRACY, FREE PRESS. I THINK THESE GUYS, I SAY THESE I THINK THESE GUYS, I SAY THESE GUYS, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, GUYS, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, THEY WANT TO PUT HIM UNDER. THEY WANT TO PUT HIM UNDER. I DON’T THINK IT’S AN IM I DON’T THINK IT’S AN IM IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. THEY WANT TO TAKE THE THEY WANT TO TAKE THE ORGANIZATION ABOUT. ORGANIZATION ABOUT. A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION. A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION. MONEY LAUNDERING, BANK FRAUD, MONEY LAUNDERING, BANK FRAUD, WIRE FRAUD, OBSTRUCTION OF WIRE FRAUD, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS, JUSTICE, CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS, IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. THINK ASHTBOUT WHAT WE’VE SEEN I THINK ASHTBOUT WHAT WE’VE SEEN I PUBLIC WHILE HE’S THE PRESIDENT. PUBLIC WHILE HE’S THE PRESIDENT. NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES. NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES. NOW IMAGINE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN NOW IMAGINE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN WITH NOBODY WATCHING, WITH NO WITH NOBODY WATCHING, WITH NO OVERSIGHT, WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF OVERSIGHT, WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING AND TAKE THE WILDEST DOING AND TAKE THE WILDEST IMAGINATION, TAKE EVERY IMAGINATION, TAKE EVERY WHITE-COLLAR CRIME YOU CAN THINK WHITE-COLLAR CRIME YOU CAN THINK OF, TO THE NTH DEGREE. OF, TO THE NTH DEGREE. I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL CRIMES BUT HE — I PROMISE. YOU, CRIMES BUT HE — I PROMISE. YOU, THIS ORGANIZATION WILL TURN IT THIS ORGANIZATION WILL TURN IT UP AND I BELIEVE FROM THE UP AND I BELIEVE FROM THE BEGINNING, THE STATUTE WILL BEGINNING, THE STATUTE WILL ALLOW THE PROSECUTORS TO DO ALLOW THE PROSECUTORS TO DO EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO DO. EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO DO. MY CONCERN, POLITICALLY, IS MY CONCERN, POLITICALLY, IS WHAT’S GOING ON ON THE HILL. WHAT’S GOING ON ON THE HILL. I’M CONCERNED WITH ALL THE I’M CONCERNED WITH ALL THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES AND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES AND CONGRESS, IT STARTS TO SO CONGRESS, IT STARTS TO SO CLEARLY GETS POLITICAL AND CLEARLY GETS POLITICAL AND ALLOWS TRUMP TO START TO PLAY ALLOWS TRUMP TO START TO PLAY THE VICTIM A BIT. THE VICTIM A BIT. I ALMOST WISH EVERYBODY WOULD GO I ALMOST WISH EVERYBODY WOULD GO QUIET UNTIL THE SOUTHERN QUIET UNTIL THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT STEPS FORWARD AND GOES, DISTRICT STEPS FORWARD AND GOES, HERE WE ARE. HERE WE ARE.>>START TO PLAY –>>START TO PLAY –>>EXACTLY.>>EXACTLY. LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE YOU WERE LAST QUESTION BECAUSE YOU WERE LAST HERE WHEN MICHAEL COHEN WAS ON HERE WHEN MICHAEL COHEN WAS ON THE HILL. THE HILL. YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT WE YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN’T REALLY PICK UP ON AT THE DIDN’T REALLY PICK UP ON AT THE TABLE, BUT AFTER YOUR TABLE, BUT AFTER YOUR APPEARANCE, DOJ WATCHERS NOTED APPEARANCE, DOJ WATCHERS NOTED YOUR COMMENT. YOUR COMMENT. YOU SAID, “MICHAEL’S YOU SAID, “MICHAEL’S RELATIONSHIP WITH SDNY CHANGED. RELATIONSHIP WITH SDNY CHANGED. AT THE TIME OF SENTENCING, HE AT THE TIME OF SENTENCING, HE HAD A MORE AMICABLE, PRODUCTIVE, HAD A MORE AMICABLE, PRODUCTIVE, I DON’T KNOW IF YOU USED THOSE I DON’T KNOW IF YOU USED THOSE WORDS, CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG, WORDS, CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG, RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MUELLER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MUELLER INVESTIGATORS, THAT NOW THE INVESTIGATORS, THAT NOW THE RELATIONSHIP IS JUST AS RELATIONSHIP IS JUST AS FRUITFUL, JUST AS GOOD, WITH THE FRUITFUL, JUST AS GOOD, WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT PROSECUTORS. SOUTHERN DISTRICT PROSECUTORS. WHY IS THAT? WHY IS THAT?>>YEAH, I THINK PEOPLE COULD>>YEAH, I THINK PEOPLE COULD USE THEIR IMAGINATION. USE THEIR IMAGINATION. OBVIOUSLY, I CAN’T TALK ABOUT OBVIOUSLY, I CAN’T TALK ABOUT ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS, BUT THE ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS, BUT THE DIEYNAMIC — DIEYNAMIC –>>WAS MICHAEL COHEN HELPING>>WAS MICHAEL COHEN HELPING THEM WITH ONGOING THEM WITH ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS? INVESTIGATIONS?>>HE’S BEEN TALKING ABOUT>>HE’S BEEN TALKING ABOUT ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. TAKE THOSE WORDS FOR WHAT THEY TAKE THOSE WORDS FOR WHAT THEY ARE. ARE. THE RELATIONSHIP HAS CHANGED. THE RELATIONSHIP HAS CHANGED. I THINK IF YOU BACK TO YOUR I THINK IF YOU BACK TO YOUR OPENING, LOOK AT ALL THE PIECES OPENING, LOOK AT ALL THE PIECES THAT WE’RE HYPOTHESIZING ABOUT, THAT WE’RE HYPOTHESIZING ABOUT, GO, HMM, WHAT COULD BE ONE OF GO, HMM, WHAT COULD BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE TO COBRROBORATE THE THE PEOPLE TO COBRROBORATE THE PIECES OR POINT TO WHERE THE PIECES OR POINT TO WHERE THE PIECES ARE? PIECES ARE? MICHAEL COHEN, WEISSELBERG, MICHAEL COHEN, WEISSELBERG, WEISSELBERG, AS MUCH AS WE HEARD WEISSELBERG, AS MUCH AS WE HEARD ABOUT COHEN, IN THE NEXT YEAR ABOUT COHEN, IN THE NEXT YEAR YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR THAT NAME YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR THAT NAME EVEN MORE. EVEN MORE.>>I STARTED WITH THIS RECO>>I STARTED WITH THIS RECO PIECE. PIECE. PEOPLE LIKE ME KNOW JUST ENOUGH PEOPLE LIKE ME KNOW JUST ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS WITH THIS, FRANK TO BE DANGEROUS WITH THIS, FRANK FIGLIUZZI. FIGLIUZZI. IT’S NOTABLE THAT PEOPLE HAD IT’S NOTABLE THAT PEOPLE HAD ACCESS TO A LOT MORE INFORMATION ACCESS TO A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN WE DID. THAN WE DID. SOMEONE LIKE JIM COMB MANY IEY W SOMEONE LIKE JIM COMB MANY IEY W HEAD OF THE FBI WHEN DONALD HEAD OF THE FBI WHEN DONALD TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT. TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT. HAS ACCESS TO THE HAS ACCESS TO THE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. ANDREW McCABE WHO WAS ACTING FBI ANDREW McCABE WHO WAS ACTING FBI DIRECTOR WHEN THE DIRECTOR WHEN THE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION WAS EXPANDED TO INVESTIGATION WAS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE DONALD TRUMP. INCLUDE DONALD TRUMP. ERIC SWALWELL, A MEMBER OF THE ERIC SWALWELL, A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE. HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE. THEY’VE BEEN MAKING THESE MOB THEY’VE BEEN MAKING THESE MOB ANALOGIES FOR A LONG TIME. ANALOGIES FOR A LONG TIME. AND WE ALWAYS HEARD THEM, WE AND WE ALWAYS HEARD THEM, WE WENT, WOW, YOU KNOW, IS THAT TOO WENT, WOW, YOU KNOW, IS THAT TOO MUCH? MUCH? IT SOUNDS LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT IT SOUNDS LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS KNOWN EXACTLY WHAT THEY’RE HAS KNOWN EXACTLY WHAT THEY’RE DEALING WITH, EXACTLY HOW TO DEALING WITH, EXACTLY HOW TO INVESTIGATE THEM, AND, PERHAPS, INVESTIGATE THEM, AND, PERHAPS, IF DONNY’S ON TO SOMETHING, THE IF DONNY’S ON TO SOMETHING, THE PROSECUTORS KNOW EXACTLY HOW PROSECUTORS KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY WOULD PROSECUTE SUCH AN THEY WOULD PROSECUTE SUCH AN ENTERPRISE. ENTERPRISE.>>YEAH, WE’RE FINALLY STARTING>>YEAH, WE’RE FINALLY STARTING TO SEE PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF WHAT TO SEE PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF WHAT UNDOUBTEDLY HAS BEEN DISCUSSED UNDOUBTEDLY HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE HALLWAYS OF SOUTHERN IN THE HALLWAYS OF SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, FBI NEW DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, FBI NEW YORK, AND PROBABLY IN WASHINGTON YORK, AND PROBABLY IN WASHINGTON AS WELL, WHICH IS THIS CONCEPT AS WELL, WHICH IS THIS CONCEPT THAT WHILE WE’RE ALL THINKING, THAT WHILE WE’RE ALL THINKING, BOY, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A MOB BOY, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A MOB FAMILY, THE LAWYERS AND AGENTS FAMILY, THE LAWYERS AND AGENTS ARE SAYING, THERE’S A TOOL FOR ARE SAYING, THERE’S A TOOL FOR THIS. THIS. THERE’S A WAY WE ADDRESS MOB THERE’S A WAY WE ADDRESS MOB FAMILIES AND ORGANIZATIONS. FAMILIES AND ORGANIZATIONS. AND IT’S CALLED RECO. AND IT’S CALLED RECO. THE BASIC NOTION IS THAT THE SUM THE BASIC NOTION IS THAT THE SUM IS GREATER THAN THE PART. IS GREATER THAN THE PART. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ATTACK SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ATTACK AN ORGANIZATION BY HITTING AN ORGANIZATION BY HITTING INDIVIDUALS WITH PROCESS KUXSECU INDIVIDUALS WITH PROCESS KUXSECU THIS CHARGE AND THAT CHARGE AND THIS CHARGE AND THAT CHARGE AND IT’S VERY UNWIELDY AND TAKES A IT’S VERY UNWIELDY AND TAKES A LONG TIME. LONG TIME. AND THEN YOU REALLY NEVER AND THEN YOU REALLY NEVER ESSENTIALLY GET TO THE BOSS. ESSENTIALLY GET TO THE BOSS. IT’S DESIGNED TO GET TO THE BOSS IT’S DESIGNED TO GET TO THE BOSS BECAUSE IF YOU CHARGE THE BECAUSE IF YOU CHARGE THE UNDERLINGS AND THEY DON’T TALK UNDERLINGS AND THEY DON’T TALK BECAUSE THEY USE THE OMERTA BECAUSE THEY USE THE OMERTA CODE, THE CODE OF SILENCE, WE’VE CODE, THE CODE OF SILENCE, WE’VE SEEN THAT EVEN IN THIS SEEN THAT EVEN IN THIS ORGANIZATION, THEN YOU MAY NEVER ORGANIZATION, THEN YOU MAY NEVER GET HIM. GET HIM. SO RECO SAYS, LOOK, ALL OF THIS SO RECO SAYS, LOOK, ALL OF THIS TOGETHER IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE TOGETHER IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL PARTS, AND THERE’S A INDIVIDUAL PARTS, AND THERE’S A LEADER BEHIND THIS. LEADER BEHIND THIS. AND THAT’S WHAT RECO’S DESIGNED AND THAT’S WHAT RECO’S DESIGNED TO DO. TO DO. I TELL YOU WHEN THE LIGHT BULB I TELL YOU WHEN THE LIGHT BULB WENT OFF OVER MY HEAD, I SAID WENT OFF OVER MY HEAD, I SAID THIS HAS GOT TO BE A RECO THIS HAS GOT TO BE A RECO CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS MICHAEL CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY. COHEN’S TESTIMONY. MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY DID IT MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY DID IT FOR ME. FOR ME. HE — THIS WAS ESSENTIALLY A MOB HE — THIS WAS ESSENTIALLY A MOB INFORMANT TALKING, AND I’D BE INFORMANT TALKING, AND I’D BE SURPRISED IF SOUTHERN DISTRICT SURPRISED IF SOUTHERN DISTRICT OR SOME OTHER PROSECUTIVE ARM IS OR SOME OTHER PROSECUTIVE ARM IS NOT SERIOUSLY APPROACHING THIS NOT SERIOUSLY APPROACHING THIS AS A RECO. AS A RECO.>>ELLIOT, LET ME BRING YOU IN>>ELLIOT, LET ME BRING YOU IN ON THIS. ON THIS. AND LET ME ASK YOU TO GIVE US AND LET ME ASK YOU TO GIVE US SOME HISTORICAL ANALYSIS BECAUSE SOME HISTORICAL ANALYSIS BECAUSE I, AGAIN, KNOW JUST ENOUGH TO BE I, AGAIN, KNOW JUST ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS, BUT MY READ TODAY DANGEROUS, BUT MY READ TODAY BASED ON “THE NEW YORK TIMES” BASED ON “THE NEW YORK TIMES” PIECE I QUOTED AT THE TOP PIECE I QUOTED AT THE TOP SUGGESTS THAT RUDY GIULIANI SUGGESTS THAT RUDY GIULIANI REALLY WAS A PIONEER IN USING REALLY WAS A PIONEER IN USING THE RECO LAW, RACKETEERING THE RECO LAW, RACKETEERING STATUTES, TO PROSECUTE MOB STATUTES, TO PROSECUTE MOB FAMILIES IN NEW YORK CITY FOR FAMILIES IN NEW YORK CITY FOR FEDERAL CRIMES IN WAYS THEY FEDERAL CRIMES IN WAYS THEY HADN’T BEEN PROSECUTED BEFORE. HADN’T BEEN PROSECUTED BEFORE. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT?>>YEAH, AND IT’S SORT OF — I>>YEAH, AND IT’S SORT OF — I HESITATE TO SAY TURNABOUT AS HESITATE TO SAY TURNABOUT AS FAIR PLAY. FAIR PLAY. IT IS STRIKING IT’S RUDY IT IS STRIKING IT’S RUDY GIULIANI AT THE CENTER OF THIS. GIULIANI AT THE CENTER OF THIS. JUST AS FRANK SAID, THIS IS JUST AS FRANK SAID, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD BUILD A EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD BUILD A RECO PROSECUTION BY WORKING YOUR RECO PROSECUTION BY WORKING YOUR WAY UP AND AN IMPORTANT FACT IS WAY UP AND AN IMPORTANT FACT IS TWO OF THE CRITICAL PLAYERS TWO OF THE CRITICAL PLAYERS HERE, WHICH ARE ALWAYS TWO HERE, WHICH ARE ALWAYS TWO CRITICAL PLAYERS IN A RECO CRITICAL PLAYERS IN A RECO ORGANIZATION, ARE THE LAWYER AND ORGANIZATION, ARE THE LAWYER AND THE ACCOUNTANT. THE ACCOUNTANT. SO YOU HAVE ALLEN WEISSELBERG SO YOU HAVE ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND HAVE MICHAEL COHEN, LAWYER AND HAVE MICHAEL COHEN, LAWYER AND ACCOUNTANT, WHICH IN ANY MOB AND ACCOUNTANT, WHICH IN ANY MOB PROSECUTION ARE ALWAYS PROSECUTION ARE ALWAYS INDIVIDUALS SS SS WHO THEY — YO INDIVIDUALS SS SS WHO THEY — YO ASHARING ASHARING SECRETS WITH THE MOB BOSS. SECRETS WITH THE MOB BOSS. YOU CAN’T PROTECT THEIR SECRETS YOU CAN’T PROTECT THEIR SECRETS WHEN THEY’RE USED TO FURTHER WHEN THEY’RE USED TO FURTHER CRIMES. CRIMES. . . IF TRUMP WAS TALKING TO IF TRUMP WAS TALKING TO WEISSELBERG OR COHEN ABOUT WEISSELBERG OR COHEN ABOUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THAT’S ALL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THAT’S ALL GONG TO GET OUT THERE. GONG TO GET OUT THERE. SO ABSOLUTELY, IT IS STRIKING SO ABSOLUTELY, IT IS STRIKING THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SPENT THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SPENT THE — QUITE SUCCESSFULLY, YOU THE — QUITE SUCCESSFULLY, YOU KNOW, RUDY GIULIANI HAD AN KNOW, RUDY GIULIANI HAD AN AMAZINGLY SACKUCCESSFUL TENURE A AMAZINGLY SACKUCCESSFUL TENURE A HEAD OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF HEAD OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AS THE U.S. ATTORNEY, NEW YORK, AS THE U.S. ATTORNEY, BUT IS NOW SO CRITICALLY TIED TO BUT IS NOW SO CRITICALLY TIED TO THE PRESIDENT AS HE’S FACING THE PRESIDENT AS HE’S FACING THESE KINDS OF INVESTIGATIONS. THESE KINDS OF INVESTIGATIONS. AND SO WE’RE NOT GOING TO SEE AND SO WE’RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE END OF THIS. THE END OF THIS. THEY’RE WORKING THEIR WAY UP TO THEY’RE WORKING THEIR WAY UP TO THE TOP AND I KNOW WE’LL TALK THE TOP AND I KNOW WE’LL TALK ABOUT CONGRESS LATER, BUT YOU’RE ABOUT CONGRESS LATER, BUT YOU’RE SEEING A SIMILAR INVESTIGATION SEEING A SIMILAR INVESTIGATION THERE WHERE YOU ATTACK IT FROM THERE WHERE YOU ATTACK IT FROM ALL SIDES, ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO ALL SIDES, ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT HAVE RESPONSIVE DOCUMENTS MIGHT HAVE RESPONSIVE DOCUMENTS OR INFORMATION, AND SEE WHAT OR INFORMATION, AND SEE WHAT KIND OF CASE YOU CAN BUILD. KIND OF CASE YOU CAN BUILD. BUT IT IS STRIKING, YOU KNOW, I BUT IT IS STRIKING, YOU KNOW, I DON’T WANT TO CALL THE PRESIDENT DON’T WANT TO CALL THE PRESIDENT A MOBSTER BUT IT’S STRIKING HOW A MOBSTER BUT IT’S STRIKING HOW LEGALLY SIMILAR THE TECHNIQUES LEGALLY SIMILAR THE TECHNIQUES HE WOULD TAKE TO BUILD A CASE HE WOULD TAKE TO BUILD A CASE HERE WOULD BE. HERE WOULD BE.>>I MEAN, JIM COMEY AND ANDREW>>I MEAN, JIM COMEY AND ANDREW McCABE DIDN’T CALL HIM THE McCABE DIDN’T CALL HIM THE MOBSTER BUT MADE THE SAME POINT. MOBSTER BUT MADE THE SAME POINT. IT’S STRIKING HOW SIMILAR THE IT’S STRIKING HOW SIMILAR THE CONDUCT IS. CONDUCT IS. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING CHRIS CHRISTIE SAID IN SOMETHING CHRIS CHRISTIE SAID IN THAT CHAIR LAST WEEK. THAT CHAIR LAST WEEK. HE SAID TRUMP DIDN’T TELL HIM TO HE SAID TRUMP DIDN’T TELL HIM TO LIE. LIE. IT WOULD SEEM UNDER THE STATUTE IT WOULD SEEM UNDER THE STATUTE HE WOULDN’T HAVE TO, THAT THE HE WOULDN’T HAVE TO, THAT THE CRIMINALITY WAS IMPLICIT AND CRIMINALITY WAS IMPLICIT AND EXPLICIT AND IF YOU LOOK AT SORT EXPLICIT AND IF YOU LOOK AT SORT OF THE RECENT REPORTING ABOUT OF THE RECENT REPORTING ABOUT THE LATEST EFFORTS AT ON THE LATEST EFFORTS AT ON STRUKTS,STRUKTS STRUKTS,STRUKTS OBSTRUCTION, IT WASN’T TRYING TO OBSTRUCTION, IT WASN’T TRYING TO OBSTRUCT THE MUELLER PROBE. OBSTRUCT THE MUELLER PROBE. THE PRESIDENT IS ON THE RECORD, THE PRESIDENT IS ON THE RECORD, HAS BEEN REPORTED AND HASN’T HAS BEEN REPORTED AND HASN’T REFUTED THAT HE TRIED TO REFUTED THAT HE TRIED TO INTERFERE AND OBSTRUCT THE INTERFERE AND OBSTRUCT THE INVESTIGATIONS OUT OF SDNY. INVESTIGATIONS OUT OF SDNY.>>YEAH, WHAT MICHAEL COHEN SAID>>YEAH, WHAT MICHAEL COHEN SAID THAT I THOUGHT WAS SO THAT I THOUGHT WAS SO INTERESTING IF HIS TESTIMONY WAS INTERESTING IF HIS TESTIMONY WAS THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T ACTUALLY THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T ACTUALLY TELL ME TO LIE, HE DIDN’T HAVE TELL ME TO LIE, HE DIDN’T HAVE TO. TO. THAT’S NOT HOW HE WORKS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE WORKS. IF YOU’VE BEEN WITH HIM LONG IF YOU’VE BEEN WITH HIM LONG ENOUGH, EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS WITH ENOUGH, EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS WITH WHAT HE MEANS. WHAT HE MEANS. IF YOU LISTEN TO WHAT JIM COMEY IF YOU LISTEN TO WHAT JIM COMEY SAID IN HIS TESTIMONY BACK UNTIL SAID IN HIS TESTIMONY BACK UNTIL NOW TWO YEARS AGO, HE KNEW WHAT NOW TWO YEARS AGO, HE KNEW WHAT THE PRESIDENT MEANT WHEN THE THE PRESIDENT MEANT WHEN THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM ABOUT THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM ABOUT THE MIKE FLYNN INVESTIGATION, HE MIKE FLYNN INVESTIGATION, HE TOOK THAT AS AN ORDER. TOOK THAT AS AN ORDER. HE DIDN’T FOLLOW IT BUT HE DIDN’T FOLLOW IT BUT INTERPRETED IT AS AN ORDER. INTERPRETED IT AS AN ORDER. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK ALL I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK ALL AROUND, THAT’S THE QUESTION AROUND, THAT’S THE QUESTION THAT’S GOING TO COME UP OVER AND THAT’S GOING TO COME UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. OVER AGAIN. WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT MEAN WHEN WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT MEAN WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT PARDONS, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT PARDONS, WHAT DID HE MEAN, WHAT DID HIS WHAT DID HE MEAN, WHAT DID HIS ATTORNEYS MEAN WHEN TALKING ATTORNEYS MEAN WHEN TALKING ABOUT PARDONS? ABOUT PARDONS? WHENEVER YOU GET INTO THIS WHENEVER YOU GET INTO THIS OBSTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR BY THE OBSTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR BY THE PRESIDENT, YOU’RE TRYING TO PRESIDENT, YOU’RE TRYING TO DEFINE HIS INTENT AND THE WAY DEFINE HIS INTENT AND THE WAY YOU DEFINE HIS INTENT, WHAT THE YOU DEFINE HIS INTENT, WHAT THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM TOOK IT TO PEOPLE AROUND HIM TOOK IT TO MEAN AND WHAT ME SAID TO OTHER MEAN AND WHAT ME SAID TO OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. I THINK WHAT YOU WILL BEGIN TO I THINK WHAT YOU WILL BEGIN TO SEE ARE MORE WITNESSES LIKE SEE ARE MORE WITNESSES LIKE MICHAEL L COHEN. MICHAEL L COHEN. SO WE KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE SO WE KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE COOPERATING WITH THE MUELLER COOPERATING WITH THE MUELLER PROBE ALREADY. PROBE ALREADY. OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE LIKE MIKE OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE LIKE MIKE FLYNN. FLYNN. BUT AS WE TURN THE PAGE NOW TO BUT AS WE TURN THE PAGE NOW TO CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS, CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS, MIKE B LCHAEL COHEN ISN’T GOING MIKE B LCHAEL COHEN ISN’T GOING THE ONLY PERSON COMING BEFORE THE ONLY PERSON COMING BEFORE CONGRESS AND PUTTING HIS HAND IN CONGRESS AND PUTTING HIS HAND IN THE AIR AND TALKING OPENLY. THE AIR AND TALKING OPENLY. THERE’S NO GOOD REASON WHY MIKE THERE’S NO GOOD REASON WHY MIKE FLYNN SHOULDN’T COME TESTIFY AT FLYNN SHOULDN’T COME TESTIFY AT SOME POINT. SOME POINT. THERE’S NO GOOD REASON WHY RICK THERE’S NO GOOD REASON WHY RICK GATES SHOULDN’T COME MANAFORT MI GATES SHOULDN’T COME MANAFORT MI SUBPOENAED TO TESTIFY. SUBPOENAED TO TESTIFY. SEE THE PEOPLE AROUND THE SEE THE PEOPLE AROUND THE PRESIDENT — PRESIDENT –>>THEY COULD GET A SHUTTLE BUS>>THEY COULD GET A SHUTTLE BUS TO THE FEDERAL PRISON. TO THE FEDERAL PRISON.>>IN TO TALK TO MUELLER>>IN TO TALK TO MUELLER PRIVATELY, THE GRAND PRIVATELY. PRIVATELY, THE GRAND PRIVATELY. WE MAY SEE ALL THEM PUBLIC IN WE MAY SEE ALL THEM PUBLIC IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF. THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF.>>LET’S SEE WHAT HATTHAT LOOKS>>LET’S SEE WHAT HATTHAT LOOKS LIKE. LIKE. MICHAEL COHEN DESCRIBING WHAT MICHAEL COHEN DESCRIBING WHAT YOU JUST TALK BED ABOUT. YOU JUST TALK BED ABOUT. THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE SO SORT OF LISTEN TO TRUMP’S SO SORT OF LISTEN TO TRUMP’S CODES. CODES.>>YOU SUGGESTED THAT THE>>YOU SUGGESTED THAT THE PRESIDENT SOMETIMES COMMUNICATES PRESIDENT SOMETIMES COMMUNICATES HZ WISHES HZ WISHES HIS WISHES INDIRECTLY. HIS WISHES INDIRECTLY. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID, “MR. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID, “MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES.” THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES.” CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW HE DOES CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW HE DOES THIS? THIS?>>SURE.>>SURE. IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT IF I IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT IF I SAID, THAT’S THE NICEST LOOKING SAID, THAT’S THE NICEST LOOKING TIE I’VE EVER SEEN, ISN’T IT? TIE I’VE EVER SEEN, ISN’T IT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, GOING WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, GOING TO FIGHT WITH HIM? TO FIGHT WITH HIM? THE ANSWER IS NO. THE ANSWER IS NO. YOU SAY, YEAH, IT’S THE NICEST YOU SAY, YEAH, IT’S THE NICEST LOOKING TIE I’VE EVER SEEN. LOOKING TIE I’VE EVER SEEN. THAT’S HOW HE SPEAKS. THAT’S HOW HE SPEAKS. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU QUESTIONS. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU QUESTIONS. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU ORDERS. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU ORDERS. HE SPEAKS IN A CODE. HE SPEAKS IN A CODE. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CODE AND I UNDERSTAND THE CODE BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR A DECADE. A DECADE.>>AND IT’S YOUR IMPRESSION THAT>>AND IT’S YOUR IMPRESSION THAT OTHERS WHO WORK FOR HIM OTHERS WHO WORK FOR HIM UNDERSTAND THE CODE AS WELL? UNDERSTAND THE CODE AS WELL?>>MOST PEOPLE, YES.>>MOST PEOPLE, YES.>>IT’S STRIKING, AS MATT SAID,>>IT’S STRIKING, AS MATT SAID, JIM COMEY TESTIFIED BEFORE JIM COMEY TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS UNDER OATH THAT WHEN HE CONGRESS UNDER OATH THAT WHEN HE WAS ASKED TO SEE TO IT TO LET WAS ASKED TO SEE TO IT TO LET MIKE FLYNN GO, LET THIS MIKE MIKE FLYNN GO, LET THIS MIKE FLYNN THING GO, HE WASN’T TOLD FLYNN THING GO, HE WASN’T TOLD TO LET IT GO. TO LET IT GO. HE WAS TOLD TO SEE TO IT TO LET HE WAS TOLD TO SEE TO IT TO LET FLYNN GO. FLYNN GO. THE CODE. THE CODE. . . I WATCHED “GOODFELLAS” AS PART I WATCHED “GOODFELLAS” AS PART OF MY HOMEWORK FOR MY DAY JOB, OF MY HOMEWORK FOR MY DAY JOB, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW MOB BOSSES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW MOB BOSSES COMMUNICATIONS THEIR UNDERLINGS. COMMUNICATIONS THEIR UNDERLINGS.>>IT’S NOT EXACTLY EXPLICIT BUT>>IT’S NOT EXACTLY EXPLICIT BUT PRETTY CLOSE. PRETTY CLOSE.>>UNDERSTOOD.>>UNDERSTOOD.>>I NEVER DEALT WITH MOB>>I NEVER DEALT WITH MOB BOSSES, BUT I — BOSSES, BUT I –>>NO?>>NO?>>– COVERED THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN>>– COVERED THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN PAIN. PAIN. I REMEMBER MY FIRST TRIP UP TO I REMEMBER MY FIRST TRIP UP TO TRUMP TOWER, TRUMP WAS DOING TRUMP TOWER, TRUMP WAS DOING WELL AND SAID MAYBE YOU SHOULD WELL AND SAID MAYBE YOU SHOULD DIVERSEIFY YOUR PORTFOLIO AND DIVERSEIFY YOUR PORTFOLIO AND COVER DONALD TRUMP. COVER DONALD TRUMP. I WENT UP AND MET WITH THESE I WENT UP AND MET WITH THESE PEOPLE. PEOPLE. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAID? YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAID? THEY SAID, HEY, WE’LL BE REAL THEY SAID, HEY, WE’LL BE REAL GOOD TO YOU, WE’LL GET YOU GOOD TO YOU, WE’LL GET YOU ACCESS TO YOU’RE GOOD TO US. ACCESS TO YOU’RE GOOD TO US. THE SAME MENTALITY, COMPLETE THE SAME MENTALITY, COMPLETE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT A REPORTER’S JOB WAS. A REPORTER’S JOB WAS. THAT WASN’T THE POINT TO THEM. THAT WASN’T THE POINT TO THEM. NO MATTER WHO THEY’RE DEALING NO MATTER WHO THEY’RE DEALING WITH, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT WITH, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF US. TO TAKE CARE OF US. WE’LL TAKE CARE OF YOU. WE’LL TAKE CARE OF YOU. BUT IT’S A LOYALTY FIRST. BUT IT’S A LOYALTY FIRST. THAT’S HOW THE PRESIDENT HAS THAT’S HOW THE PRESIDENT HAS TREATED PEOPLE FOR YEARS, AS TREATED PEOPLE FOR YEARS, AS DONNY AND LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO DONNY AND LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND HIM KNOW, AND HAVE BEEN AROUND HIM KNOW, AND AS I THINK ANYBODY COVERING HIM AS I THINK ANYBODY COVERING HIM FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME ALSO FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME ALSO UNDERSTANDS. UNDERSTANDS.>>I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE>>I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT. MUELLER REPORT. THE WHITE HOUSE, I THINK, THE WHITE HOUSE, I THINK, PROBABLY FEELS THAT THEY’VE DONE PROBABLY FEELS THAT THEY’VE DONE A LOT OF SPADEWORK TO SULLY A LOT OF SPADEWORK TO SULLY MUELLER’S REPUTATION, BUT IT’S MUELLER’S REPUTATION, BUT IT’S PROBABLY A KNOWN UNKNOWN WHAT PROBABLY A KNOWN UNKNOWN WHAT WILL ACTUALLY BE IN IT. WILL ACTUALLY BE IN IT. JIM COMEY ADDING HIS VOICE IN AN JIM COMEY ADDING HIS VOICE IN AN OP-PED TO THE CHORUS OF PEOPLE OP-PED TO THE CHORUS OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT SOME TRANSPARENCY IN SAYING THAT SOME TRANSPARENCY IN THE MUELLER PROBE IS A GOOD THE MUELLER PROBE IS A GOOD THING. THING. YOU’RE LAUGHING ALREADY. YOU’RE LAUGHING ALREADY. GIVE ME A SECOND. GIVE ME A SECOND. “REPUBLICANS ARE WRONG NOW, THEY “REPUBLICANS ARE WRONG NOW, THEY CLAIM JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RULES CLAIM JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RULES FORBID TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE FORBID TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE COMPLETED WORK OF THE SPECIAL COMPLETED WORK OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. COUNSEL. IT’S DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE A CASE IT’S DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE A CASE OF GREATER PUBLIC INTEREST THAN OF GREATER PUBLIC INTEREST THAN ONE FOCUSED ON THE EFFORTS OF A ONE FOCUSED ON THE EFFORTS OF A FOREIGN ADVERSARY TO DAMAGE OUR FOREIGN ADVERSARY TO DAMAGE OUR DEMOCRACY, AN IMAGE THE DEMOCRACY, AN IMAGE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS A SUBJECT. IS A SUBJECT. DON’T LISTEN TO THOSE WHO TELL DON’T LISTEN TO THOSE WHO TELL YOU TRANSPARENCY IS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU TRANSPARENCY IS IMPOSSIBLE. EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD WANT A EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD WANT A JUSTICE DEPARTMENT GUIDED ALWAYS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT GUIDED ALWAYS BY THE PUBLIC INTEREST. BY THE PUBLIC INTEREST. SOMETIMES TRANSPARENCY IS NOT A SOMETIMES TRANSPARENCY IS NOT A HARD CALL.” HARD CALL.” HIS COMPLICATED STANDING, IF YOU HIS COMPLICATED STANDING, IF YOU WILL, ASIDE, THE PRESIDENT, IF WILL, ASIDE, THE PRESIDENT, IF HE THINKS HE’S INNOCENT, SHOULD HE THINKS HE’S INNOCENT, SHOULD AGREE WITH JIM COMEY HERE. AGREE WITH JIM COMEY HERE.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. AND THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU SEE — AND THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU SEE — YOU SEE A TAXTTACKS AGAINST JIM YOU SEE A TAXTTACKS AGAINST JIM COMEY, ATTACKS AGAINST McCAKE TO COMEY, ATTACKS AGAINST McCAKE TO A LESSER EXTENT, LESSER A LESSER EXTENT, LESSER ATTACKS — ATTACKS –>>LESSER EXTENT?>>LESSER EXTENT? HE CALLED IT BS AT CPAC. HE CALLED IT BS AT CPAC. THE ATTACK AGAINST MILLER — THE ATTACK AGAINST MILLER –>>I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS>>I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN RELATIVELY MORE RESTRAINED BEEN RELATIVELY MORE RESTRAINED IN ATTACKING MUELLER PERSONALLY. IN ATTACKING MUELLER PERSONALLY.>>YOU WERE SPEAKING OF HANOI>>YOU WERE SPEAKING OF HANOI DURING CPAC. DURING CPAC.>>THAT IS TRUE.>>THAT IS TRUE. I THINK GENERALLY, I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK GENERALLY, I MEAN, LOOK, THIS PRESIDENT AND THIS THIS PRESIDENT AND THIS OPERATION, WHAT WE’VE SEEN RUDY OPERATION, WHAT WE’VE SEEN RUDY GIULIANI DOING FOR MONTHS, GIULIANI DOING FOR MONTHS, THEY’VE TRIEDED TO DO A LOT OF THEY’VE TRIEDED TO DO A LOT OF SPADEWORK TO PREJUDICE, SPADEWORK TO PREJUDICE, INOCULATE THEMSELVES AND INOCULATE THEMSELVES AND PREJUDICE THE PUBLIC AGAINST PREJUDICE THE PUBLIC AGAINST WHATEVER FINDINGS COME OUT AND WHATEVER FINDINGS COME OUT AND YET THERE IS SOME CONCERN, I YET THERE IS SOME CONCERN, I MEAN, AT THE WHITE HOUSE, AND MEAN, AT THE WHITE HOUSE, AND AROUND THE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, HE HAS LONG TOLD HIMSELF, AS HE HAS LONG TOLD HIMSELF, AS LONG AS I’M IN OFFICE, I’M NOT LONG AS I’M IN OFFICE, I’M NOT GETTING INDICTED. GETTING INDICTED. WELL, NOW THAT’S A LEGAL WELL, NOW THAT’S A LEGAL QUESTION THAT MAY BE LESS THAN QUESTION THAT MAY BE LESS THAN CERTAIN. CERTAIN. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST THIS AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST THIS WEEK, SOME OF THE LETTERS AND WEEK, SOME OF THE LETTERS AND THE SUBPOENAS THE PRESIDENT IS THE SUBPOENAS THE PRESIDENT IS DESCRIBING, 81 LETTERS AS HE DESCRIBING, 81 LETTERS AS HE SAID, THEY’RE SURPRISED BY THAT. SAID, THEY’RE SURPRISED BY THAT. THEY’VE BEEN BRACING FOR THIS. THEY’VE BEEN BRACING FOR THIS. THEY’VE BEEN ADDING MORE, YOU THEY’VE BEEN ADDING MORE, YOU KNOW, FIREPOWER IN THEIR LEGAL KNOW, FIREPOWER IN THEIR LEGAL OFFICE. OFFICE. BUT I THINK WHAT THE DEMOCRATS BUT I THINK WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE STARTING TO DO, I THINK, IS ARE STARTING TO DO, I THINK, IS CATCHING THEM A LITTLE BIT OFF CATCHING THEM A LITTLE BIT OFF GUARD. GUARD. WHILE THE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD WHILE THE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD PEOPLE, LOOK, IF THEY COME AFTER PEOPLE, LOOK, IF THEY COME AFTER ME, IT’S GOING TO BE GOOD, I’LL ME, IT’S GOING TO BE GOOD, I’LL PORTRAY THEM AS ALL ABOUT PORTRAY THEM AS ALL ABOUT ATTACKING ME AND TAKING ME DOWN. ATTACKING ME AND TAKING ME DOWN. THEY DON’T HAVE ANY IDEAS. THEY DON’T HAVE ANY IDEAS. HE’S VERY GOOD, AS DONNY SAID, HE’S VERY GOOD, AS DONNY SAID, AT PLAYING THE VICTIM. AT PLAYING THE VICTIM. BUT I THINK IN THEORY, THAT’S BUT I THINK IN THEORY, THAT’S ONE THING. ONE THING. I THINK IN ACTUALITY, IT’S VERY I THINK IN ACTUALITY, IT’S VERY DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT. AND I THINK THAT PRIVATELY, THE AND I THINK THAT PRIVATELY, THE PRESIDENT, WHILE HE PROJECTS PRESIDENT, WHILE HE PROJECTS TOUGHNESS, PRIVATELY, HE’S TOUGHNESS, PRIVATELY, HE’S PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT — PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT –>>PRIVATELY AND ON TWITTER.>>PRIVATELY AND ON TWITTER.>>THEY DON’T HAVE — THEY>>THEY DON’T HAVE — THEY HAVEN’T HAD ANY ANSWERS, ANY HAVEN’T HAD ANY ANSWERS, ANY EXCULPATORY INFORMATION, FOR ANY EXCULPATORY INFORMATION, FOR ANY OF THESE THINGS. OF THESE THINGS. THESE ALLEGATIONS. THESE ALLEGATIONS.>>YEAH, LOOK, HE’S NEVER>>YEAH, LOOK, HE’S NEVER BEEN — HE’S NEVER FOLLOWED THE BEEN — HE’S NEVER FOLLOWED THE NEVER LET THEM SEE YOU SWEAT NEVER LET THEM SEE YOU SWEAT CATEGORY FROM THE BEGINNING. CATEGORY FROM THE BEGINNING. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT’S INTERESTING HAS BEEN THE CHANGE INTERESTING HAS BEEN THE CHANGE IN RESPONSE, EVEN OVER 24 HOURS. IN RESPONSE, EVEN OVER 24 HOURS. SO YESTERDAY, THEIR INITIAL SO YESTERDAY, THEIR INITIAL RESPONSE TO THESE 81 — THIS RESPONSE TO THESE 81 — THIS REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS FROM 81 REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS FROM 81 PEOPLE, THE PRESIDENT SAID, OH, PEOPLE, THE PRESIDENT SAID, OH, WE’LL COOPERATE, WE COOPERATE WE’LL COOPERATE, WE COOPERATE ALL THE TIME. ALL THE TIME. SARAH SANDERS PUT OUT A NICE SARAH SANDERS PUT OUT A NICE STATEMENT SAYING WE’LL REVIEW — STATEMENT SAYING WE’LL REVIEW — BY LAST NIGHT, THERE WAS THIS BY LAST NIGHT, THERE WAS THIS UNHINGED STATEMENT FROM THE UNHINGED STATEMENT FROM THE DEMOCRATS TO COVER UP THEIR DEMOCRATS TO COVER UP THEIR AGENDA. AGENDA.>>THEY SAW SOME FOX NEWS PRIME>>THEY SAW SOME FOX NEWS PRIME AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, WE — AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, WE –>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT.>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT. THEN YOU HAD THE PRESIDENT OUT THEN YOU HAD THE PRESIDENT OUT TODAY LYING ABOUT IT SAYING, TODAY LYING ABOUT IT SAYING, WELL, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WELL, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DIDN’T TURN OVER THESE DIDN’T TURN OVER THESE DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENTS. I KNOW THAT’S NOT TRUE. I KNOW THAT’S NOT TRUE. I REMEMBER GOING TO THE HOUSE I REMEMBER GOING TO THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND READING OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND READING MY E-MAILS POSTED THERE. MY E-MAILS POSTED THERE. I REMEMBER THE WHITE HOUSE I REMEMBER THE WHITE HOUSE TURNING OVER DOCUMENTS ABOUT TURNING OVER DOCUMENTS ABOUT SOLYNDRA, FAST AND FURIOUS, SOLYNDRA, FAST AND FURIOUS, EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYTHING ELSE.>>I DO THE SAME THING, BY THE>>I DO THE SAME THING, BY THE WAY. WAY. ENRON, VALERIE PLAME. ENRON, VALERIE PLAME.>>THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU>>THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY’RE GOING TO RESIST TURNING THEY’RE GOING TO RESIST TURNING SOME OF THIS STUFF OVER AND BE SOME OF THIS STUFF OVER AND BE ABLE TO DELAY SOME OF IT BUT AT ABLE TO DELAY SOME OF IT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE’RE GOING THE END OF THE DAY, WE’RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THESE DOCUMENTS. TO SEE A LOT OF THESE DOCUMENTS. THE PRESIDENT CAN PLAY THE THE PRESIDENT CAN PLAY THE VICTIM. VICTIM. THE PRESIDENT CAN ATTACK THE THE PRESIDENT CAN ATTACK THE DEMOCRATS, BULLET THE SS BUT DOC DEMOCRATS, BULLET THE SS BUT DOC LIE. LIE. FACTS DON’T LIE. FACTS DON’T LIE. THEY’RE GOIM GOINGNG TO COME OUT THEY’RE GOIM GOINGNG TO COME OUT AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT THEM FOR THEMSELVES AND IF THE THEM FOR THEMSELVES AND IF THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN CORRUPT WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN CORRUPT FROM THE BEGINNING. FROM THE BEGINNING.>>AS FAR AS OBSTRUCTION OF>>AS FAR AS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, THAT’S GOING TO BE JUSTICE, THAT’S GOING TO BE NEVER ENDING. NEVER ENDING. THEY BROUGHT UP GARY CO HORKS N THEY BROUGHT UP GARY CO HORKS N FOR FOR UP GARY CO HORKS N FOR UP GARY CO HORKS N FOR COHN FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY. COHN FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY. THE AT&T AND TIME WARNER MERGER THE AT&T AND TIME WARNER MERGER WAS LEGAL. WAS LEGAL. BASICALLY ACCORDING TO REPORTS, BASICALLY ACCORDING TO REPORTS, NO SURPRISE IF YOU KNOW TRUMP, NO SURPRISE IF YOU KNOW TRUMP, KILL THAT DEAL, I DON’T LIKE KILL THAT DEAL, I DON’T LIKE CNN. CNN. THIS THIS THIS IS SOMETHING SO OUTSIDE THE THIS IS SOMETHING SO OUTSIDE THE REALM, SO NOTHING TO DO WITH REALM, SO NOTHING TO DO WITH CAMPAIGN FINANCE, SO NOTHING TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE, SO NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY LAUNDERING. DO WITH MONEY LAUNDERING.>>LET ME PUT THAT TO YOU,>>LET ME PUT THAT TO YOU, FRANK. FRANK. IS IT POSSIBLE IF THE IS IT POSSIBLE IF THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IS WHAT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IS WHAT DONNY DESCRIBED, ONGOING DAILY DONNY DESCRIBED, ONGOING DAILY CONDUCT, THAT MUELLER HAS TO CONDUCT, THAT MUELLER HAS TO OFFLOAD THAT SOMEWHERE TO OFFLOAD THAT SOMEWHERE TO ANOTHER OFFICE OR ANOTHER PLACE ANOTHER OFFICE OR ANOTHER PLACE TO PURSUE IT? TO PURSUE IT? BECAUSE AS DONNY SAYS, IT’S HARD BECAUSE AS DONNY SAYS, IT’S HARD TO FIND AN END POINT TO THAT TO FIND AN END POINT TO THAT CONDUCT. CONDUCT.>>I THINK SO.>>I THINK SO. I THINK THE LOGICAL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LOGICAL, YOU KNOW, BREAKAGE THERE WOULD BE, LOOK, BREAKAGE THERE WOULD BE, LOOK, IF THE OBSTRUCTION’S DEALING IF THE OBSTRUCTION’S DEALING DIRECTLY WITH SOMETHING WITHIN DIRECTLY WITH SOMETHING WITHIN MUELLER’S REMIT, HE TAKES IT, MUELLER’S REMIT, HE TAKES IT, ADDRESSES IT IN HIS SPORT OR ADDRESSES IT IN HIS SPORT OR SFINS S SFINS S SPINS OFF THE PROSECUTION. SPINS OFF THE PROSECUTION. IF IT’S NOT IN HIS REMIT, IT TEH IF IT’S NOT IN HIS REMIT, IT TEH HANDS THAT OFF TO THE HANDS THAT OFF TO THE APPROPRIATE OFFICE. APPROPRIATE OFFICE. WHAT I’LL BE INTERESTED IN WHAT I’LL BE INTERESTED IN WATCHING CLOSELY IS THE WATCHING CLOSELY IS THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE CONTENTS INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE CONTENTS AND TONE OF MUELLER’S REPORT AND AND TONE OF MUELLER’S REPORT AND THE OPTICS AND PERCEPTION IN HOW THE OPTICS AND PERCEPTION IN HOW TRUMP’S GOING TO USE IT WITH TRUMP’S GOING TO USE IT WITH REGARD TO THE CONGRESSIONAL REGARD TO THE CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRIES. INQUIRIES. RIGHT? RIGHT? SO RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, WHATEVER SO RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, WHATEVER MUELLER SAYS OR INCLUDES OR MUELLER SAYS OR INCLUDES OR CHOOSES NOT TO, IS GOING TO CHOOSES NOT TO, IS GOING TO IMPACT THE PUBLIC’S PERCEPTION IMPACT THE PUBLIC’S PERCEPTION OF WHAT CONGRESS IS DOING, AND OF WHAT CONGRESS IS DOING, AND WHETHER CONGRESS SHOULD OR WHETHER CONGRESS SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE PURSUING SHOULD NOT BE PURSUING SOMETHING, AND TRUMP IS GOING TO SOMETHING, AND TRUMP IS GOING TO USE IT IN THAT FASHION AND TRY USE IT IN THAT FASHION AND TRY TO DRIVE A WEDGE AND SAY, SO, TO DRIVE A WEDGE AND SAY, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, NO COLLUSION FOUND, FOR EXAMPLE, NO COLLUSION FOUND, CONGRESS SHOULD STOP WHAT CONGRESS SHOULD STOP WHAT THEY’RE DOING. THEY’RE DOING. EVEN THOUGH THE TWO ARE NOT EVEN THOUGH THE TWO ARE NOT LINKED. LINKED. RIGHT? RIGHT? CRIMES, RUSSIA, CONSPIRACY. CRIMES, RUSSIA, CONSPIRACY. BUT THAT’S GOT TO BE CAREFULLY BUT THAT’S GOT TO BE CAREFULLY CALCULATED AS WELL. CALCULATED AS WELL. JIM COMEY’S RIGHT. JIM COMEY’S RIGHT. WE NEED MORE DETAILS RATHER THAN WE NEED MORE DETAILS RATHER THAN LESS. LESS. IT’S AN UNPRECEDENTED TIME IN IT’S AN UNPRECEDENTED TIME IN OUR HISTORY. OUR HISTORY. APPLYING CRIMINAL STANDARDS TO APPLYING CRIMINAL STANDARDS TO HOW WE SHAPE THIS MUELLER REPORT HOW WE SHAPE THIS MUELLER REPORT WILL NOT WORK FOR US. WILL NOT WORK FOR US.>>ALYSSA, THERE’S SOMETHING>>ALYSSA, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT WATCHING THIS WHITE HOUSE ABOUT WATCHING THIS WHITE HOUSE BRACE FOR A REAL CRISIS. BRACE FOR A REAL CRISIS. THEY DON’T PULL OFF THE EASY THEY DON’T PULL OFF THE EASY DAYS. DAYS. THEY DON’T PULL OFF TRIPS TO THEY DON’T PULL OFF TRIPS TO CEMETERIES ON FOREIGN TRIPS TO CEMETERIES ON FOREIGN TRIPS TO HONOR VETERANS. HONOR VETERANS. THEY DON’T PULL OFF LOW-HANGING THEY DON’T PULL OFF LOW-HANGING FRUIT. FRUIT. THEY DON’T — THEY DON’T UTTER, THEY DON’T — THEY DON’T UTTER, YOU KNOW, PLATITUDES ABOUT YOU KNOW, PLATITUDES ABOUT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WITH CANCER. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WITH CANCER. I MEAN, THEY DON’T PULL OFF THE I MEAN, THEY DON’T PULL OFF THE EASY THINGS. EASY THINGS. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BRACE FOR HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BRACE FOR THIS? THIS?>>SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT,>>SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE WORRIED ABOUT YOU KNOW, I HAVE WORRIED ABOUT ALL ALONG. ALL ALONG. BEING DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR BEING DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, WORKING IN OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, WORKING IN THE WHITE HOUSE, EVERYONE HAS THE WHITE HOUSE, EVERYONE HAS THEIR JOB. THEIR JOB. YOU HAVE YOUR ROLE, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOUR ROLE, YOU HAVE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. YOU HAVE YOUR REMIT. YOU HAVE YOUR REMIT. THE PRESIDENT’S SCHEDULE IS THE THE PRESIDENT’S SCHEDULE IS THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE AROUND WHAT ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE AROUND WHAT EVERYONE IS DOING IN THE WHITE EVERYONE IS DOING IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. THEY DON’T DO ANYTHING. THEY DON’T DO ANYTHING. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT ANYBODY’S YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT ANYBODY’S DOING. DOING. 50% OF THEM ARE TRYING TO SAVE 50% OF THEM ARE TRYING TO SAVE THEMSELVES. THEMSELVES.>>50%?>>50%?>>LET’S SAY 75%.>>LET’S SAY 75%. I WAS GOING TO BE GENEROUS. I WAS GOING TO BE GENEROUS. 75%. 75%. AND THEY’RE ALL TRYING TO SAVE AND THEY’RE ALL TRYING TO SAVE THEMSELVES. THEMSELVES. SO IT HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF SO IT HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD IN THAT CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD IN THAT WEST WING EVERY SINGLE DAY. WEST WING EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE BEST AND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE BEST THING WE CAN HOPE FOR IS THIS THING WE CAN HOPE FOR IS THIS ALL GETS HANDLED BEFORE THERE’S, ALL GETS HANDLED BEFORE THERE’S, LIKE, A REAL AMERICAN CRISIS OR LIKE, A REAL AMERICAN CRISIS OR EMERGENCY THAT NEEDS TO BE

100 thoughts on “Donald Trump & Trump Org Possibly Being Investigated As A Criminal Enterprise | Deadline | MSNBC

  • Limore Peretz Post author

    This ignorant character should be legally kicked out in the fastest possible way. His voters need to know who they really elected

  • gwheyduke Post author

    I find it remarkable that people are "discovering" that trump is a Mobster. Just listen to his way of talking and his phases. Not to mention check out the people he has been associating with for most of his adult life. From way before the election he sounded like a character from the James Cagney movie Public Enemy.

  • Fredrick Kidd Post author

    A bullet or prison is always the end of the mob boss. I don't think Trump is going to prison.

  • Ivan Cardenas Post author

    The Clinton’s shout b investigate not Trump

  • Perry Sims Post author

    Please stop saying IG-ZAKK-LY. The word is ex-act-ly. Professional speakers know this.

  • Jorge Flores Post author

    Trump is giving the Mob a bad name.
    There is honor among La famiglia: None of which he has.

  • Lane Sterenberg Post author

    Nicole is so good at this, I like her better as a non-Republican.

  • Daniel Marshall Post author

    lock his butt up!!!!!!!!

  • 666juba Post author

    Who is the incoherent toddler with the orange hair?

  • Elvin Lewis Post author

    Really impressive reporting and objectivity. Light years since Morning Joe, you've really won my respect Nicolle. Big fan now.

  • SEMPER PROGRATIS Post author

    WELL, YOU DIPSHITS CANT FALL ON THE RUSSIA STORY, SO A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE STORY… HMMMM. THIS WILL BE ENTERTAINING. CANT WAIT… INDICTMENTS A-COMIN' TO HRC & CREW.

  • Tim Chamberlain Post author

    THE ONLY DISGRACE TO AMERICA IS DONALD J TRUMP

  • Daniel Malloy Post author

    Incarcerate Comey

  • Daniel Malloy Post author

    Deep State traitors to the Constitution and international crime syndicate sodomites

  • Jeanne 54 Post author

    It’s WONDERFUL! I ONLY PRAY-the GOP goes DOWN with him! The VICTIM STANCE is a NARCISSISTS GO TO RESPONSE! R.I.C.O. him BABY!
    These GOP’ers NEED to be REMOVED but will re-elect the biggest IDIOTS for YEARS ON END!

  • Annie Post author

    If Trump thinks it's a witch hunt, then why didn't he ever sit down with Mueller to give his testimony as he said he was "very willing" to do? As he once said "Only the mob pleads the fifth". So basically that's what he's done without sitting with Mueller.

  • James Jarrard Post author

    I didn't vote for Trump because I did my on investigation on Trump and didn't even consider him as president of the United States of America and will never vote for him!!!

  • mark brunette Post author

    Why don't they vet the candidates before they run for president?

  • Bob Ek Post author

    Trump at church. Ha-ha-ha
    Sucking up to the masses.
    I am surprised the alter didn't burst into flames.

  • Greg Watts Post author

    The Trump Family being investigated for sexual missconduck which is a serious crime and obstruction of Justice and ubeause of power led by president Donald Trump and corruption, and Donald Trump calls the investigators a disgrace which is not true, The truth is Donald Trump is a disgrace to are country and his family as well, and that is a pitrail of the public trust from Donald John Trump and should not be tolerated.

  • Zephnia Mukwa Post author

    Hey!! The CODE right ?? The language of the GODFATHER . Right ??.He does not ask questions ,he gives instructions in code.

  • SARAH Connors Post author

    40 plus years ago the book THE DEALS AND THE DOWNFALLS, first edition, Wayne Barrett tells how Trump CHOSE the dark money, with very dark associations. These connections started with Roy Cohn his mentor/rabidly vicious attorney was a active part of McCarthy Russian Scare. Cohn also mentored Stone they both display filth, Barrett described Cohn as a Satanic figure who was reptilian like. Cohn provided the dark…TRUMP CHOSE THIS, the bread trail is well documented long before he was a THING.
    All we want is a voice in where our TAXE (investments) dollars are going.

  • John Linden Post author

    HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT MR. MILLER HAS A GOOD RESEMBLANCE TO 1950s ROCK AND ROLLER CROONER…NEIL SEDAKA !

  • Kripto Nite Post author

    There is not much to say about a fake president that has not accomplished anything. The only thing, if you call it an accomplishment, is having inherited a fortune from his daddy. His daddy was who accomplished here. This man is only an opportunist, who sees a chance to get away with crime, he will do it. He has played a tune and touches a chord with white supremacy. With hateful messages, he gets ahead. We have a serious issue. The entitlement he lived throughout his life, is very much alive and because of it, he marches on. It is now time to reject this loser. Later on, when he goes down in history, you don't want to get caught on the wrong side of it.

  • John Linden Post author

    I HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO TRUMP AS THE ..DON..ALMOST SINCE HIS IN… ARGUEMENT IN JANUARY 2017 !

  • Eve Rabi Post author

    "It's a disgrace, a disgrace to our country." What's a disgrace Trump, is you and your children stealing from a charity fund. That was no "Witch Hoax".

  • beginnerkeys Post author

    The BEST DECISION Trump has made was Running for President, so he can FINALLY GET INVESTIGATED AND EXPOSED FOR 30 YEARS OF CRIMES. His name will be known as TRASH in History FOREVER.

  • G.AURORA PECK Post author

    We hired a Mobster as US President God help us

  • slobnoxious Post author

    Gotta change direction as collusion is about to blow up in your faces.

  • janie evans Post author

    Trump is the disgrace

  • REAL EMPIRE Post author

    A mafia in the White House.

  • Eric Tandy Post author

    I always have thought that we had built-in protections to the Constitution? I am sure they are obligated to assassinate the president if he has broken the law? How much more does this man have to do before he is punished? Okay now I really I am not advocating assassination? But people of the United States of America he is a traitor and he should be shot between the eyes! Isn't that what we do would people who try to sell our country? When are we going to take our country back? Where are all the true Americans? Someone needs to act on this we have lost our country we have lost our pride we have just lost! Are the Republicans just that evil? Have they been brainwashed that much? What would be nice if the Republicans would band together and get rid of that abomination take him out or at least incapacitate him to shut his mouth he needs to go away he is a traitor to our contract everything that I believe in God does not have anything to do with this we need to be responsible as Americans and start the process of either eliminating him permanently or incapacitating him to get him out of office people this is the future of the world we're talking about are we as a people that week? I would hate to believe so maybe one day I will wake up and you're the headlines that that man has been eliminated are used just passed from natural causes by the way I wish him to suffer the way that he has sold out our country and made us look like fools Donald Trump it's up to you do the right thing?

  • Lynda Mitton Post author

    Do it…do it…. DO IT!!!!! Take every stolen dollar he has! What will trump do when it is known around the world that he is BROKE…no money…..screwed! And, that he has been a crook all his life so he is far from being Presidential material!

  • Marlene Nienaber Post author

    It’s not just Mob Boss talk. We learn these underlying meaning throughout our lives. When your mom looks at you when you’re acting up, she probably doesn’t need to even say anything or much. If a battered wife hears her abuser is thirty, she may know that he means for her to get him a drink. I’ve had a supervisor express how things are supposed to be, although she taught me something different and realize Medicare inspectors are coming that week. Perhaps a fellow reporter just suggests not to go meet the boss for a drink?

  • XUA VANG Post author

    I wouldn't be surprise if Putin is the real owner of Trump Tower and Mara Lago.

  • Eddie Marcus Post author

    https://youtu.be/w8CplQYAN4E

  • Cal Davis Post author

    Being a descendant of enslaved ppl, I realize I'm counted as a sojourner here in this land for the 400 yrs since the first arrivals here on ships, so what goes on here is going to go down. But Trump had started to do a few things for my under classed ppl, and now his ppl are going to stop his efforts. I mourn that.

  • bh2020 : Post author

    Comey is wrong, Trump is a mob boss out there "breaking legs", robbing families domestic and abroad of the hard earned wealth (however small) they have, poisoning everyone, letting people go without help, ruining anyone and everyone for his own gain. Turning the citizenship against itself by stoking racism, hatred, violence. The previous Congress should be prosecuted for conspiracy. By the way, did Trump just buy off the Manhattan DA Vance with a massive donation (25K + 50K) to his re-election campaign to not prosecute Ivanka and Eric? An investigation by WNYC, the New Yorker, and ProPublica reveals this.

  • Evan Herrera Post author

    Trump is worst then the mob. He has committed every crime. And broken every law, all for the love of money.
    He's Satan in the flesh.

  • Marietta Green Post author

    Trump is the disgrace. Plain and simple.

  • T Tara Post author

    YESSSSSSSSSSSDSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
    AIN'T THAT SWEET NEWS!!! IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IT IS, NO ONE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM BEING INVESTIGATED WHEN THEIR BEHAVIOR IS IN QUESTION!!! THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HAPPENING BUT IT IS!!!🕵💼💼

  • Emma Ghasparian Post author

    It is time to investigate this criminal. He is a digrace to the american people. It is ashasm that he is representing our country.

  • Emma Ghasparian Post author

    Him and his family are part of the mob.

  • mjrmarblez Post author

    RICO suave, trumpets

  • Paul Sheppard Post author

    There they go again blaming the white man for everything that's wrong with America.

  • Paul Sheppard Post author

    African-American Trump supporters please chime in and tell us how you left the plantation of the democratic party and now is a proud Republican. Will y'all grandchildren ask y'all Papa did you vote for Trump get your lie ready

  • Cynthia Madrid Post author

    BTW….THE KID THAT KILLED THE HEAD OF THE GAMBINO CRIME FAMILY WAS ARRAIGNED….
    AND FLASHED HIS "Handwritten
    Message on hand …"MAGA"….
    Stay tuned.

  • Mitch Ross Post author

    It is a disgrace, fake bone spurs is a very big disgrace. He's trash all the way.

  • Karen Thomas Post author

    I figured out why trump talks so stupid. So he can influence stupid americans.

  • airmix08 Post author

    Nothing is going to happen to trump, I gave up hoping something was.  The republican party is corrupt and a bunch of cowards.  The GOP have become nothing but hypocrites.

  • James Jarrard Post author

    Why not consider The White House being taken over by The Trump Organization!!!

  • James Jarrard Post author

    Cohen went to prison but Trump is still free as The President remains in The White House!!! Untouchable!!!

  • sitthapromwas phornsaran Post author

    It's a disgrace that America has Trdumbp as POTUS. The entire world is laughing at how America is so helpless with its own system.

  • Cheryl Kallman Post author

    Funny. You can't send text to fox news. Can't stand hearing the truth. Sean is the most despicable next to trump. Please tell me if u know how to text them.

  • Kevin Bergman Post author

    Won't be long now I knew he would destroy himself that's why he cant even keep his Business from going Bank Rupt

  • Benjamin Rougier Post author

    I don’t want to see Trump and his republican enablers go to jail. If I could only see them show remorse I would be satisfied…I may believe they are human beings.

  • kozmic zian Post author

    TRUMP IS RUNNING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE . . .period . . . only witch is Kelly Conjob . . . If he doesn't like being investigated . . . he should have never run . . . could he have been so naive as to believe noone of his criminality would surface? If so, he's just too stupid to be POTUS . . . period

  • David Boudreau Post author

    Treasontrumpski said he had to work with the Gotties when he built in AC!!!

  • Michael Moore Post author

    No, a lightbulb went ON over your head, not off. A flashbulb "goes off," not a lightbulb. I don't mean to call anybody stupid…

  • Hans Pedersen Post author

    I expect them to do the opposite of what they did with Michael Cohen, double the max sentence. Show once and for all that mobsters aren't welcome in public office again.

  • Sheryl Oldham Post author

    The punishment for treason should be enforced as harshly as possible! The republican party should be included! Our country has been systematically allowed to be destroyed by them all.

  • Annette Piff Post author

    Criminal enterprise is an accurate description. It is surreal that a morally bankrupt person can become and remain President. May he rot in jail where he belongs.

  • Leonard NII BOYE Mettle Post author

    International Diplomats have access to more intelligence than local only persons.

  • Leonard NII BOYE Mettle Post author

    The smaller your world the less intelligence you have.

  • Grandpa Gaspasser Post author

    That why I put my trust in GOD FOR ANSWERS, 2 PETER 2;19 ONE ANSWER MANY MORE They Promise THEM FREEDOM but they are themselves are SLAVES slaves of CORRUPTIONS. For whatever OVERCOMES a PERSON TO THAT HE IS ENSLAVED THE ONLY TRUTH IS OUR CREATOR A TRUE LEADERS WORDS

  • James Jarrard Post author

    If Trump ever does something legal I'm sure he will be exposed!!!

  • claire bigelow Post author

    im so sick of this crapola i could spit bricks…… !!!! IMPEACH REMOVE INDICT IMPRISON

  • Lin Alapie Post author

    he is going directly where he has to go, and he will pay for what he is doing cz creation demand and Lord knows as He let things happened Almighty will show Nation the reality soon ***

  • Olivia Futrell Post author

    Corrupt enterprise 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😁

  • Michael. C Crawford Post author

    Not possibly but 100%probably

  • Irish Knight 1942 Post author

    Russia investigation over? Now get on with criminal investigation of Trumps tax evasion and insurance fraud and instead of impeaching him send him to prison.

  • Raykibb Post author

    Why does everyone keep saying SDNY, when it is still a Federal Court over which Trump can issue pardons? Is it just because of RICO? I think the State of NY ought to open a comprehensive investigation using the Federal investigation’s documents and other evidence.

  • Thomas Henderson Post author

    Our "president" is a mobster LUCK HIM UP!!

  • Camino Recto Post author

    Corrupt all the way

  • Jay Britt Post author

    If the evidence concludes that the Trump Organization is a criminal enterprise, then Trump, his businesses, his family and his Organization should be indicted under RICO statutes.He should be INDICTED, ARRESTED,AND ALL ASSETS SHOULD BE SEIZED.
    Trump, his Family and cronies in CONGRESS, H.U.D., and elsewhere should be charged with HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. DONALD J.TRUMP,should be charged with Treasonous Acts against the U.S.of America.

  • flower power Post author

    Trump is the only disgrace to our country!

  • Andrew Liew Post author

    Ok Make American Impeach Trump Again By Opstrution Of Justice !

  • Redsky Eagle Post author

    Good cut off Trump from his money. Guess who he will get to go after America. Neo nazis,white nationalist, bikers for Trump, military police. I cant wait till this balled orange troll is out!

  • Stan Cano Post author

    Traitor Trump's the leader of the KKK Nazi white supremacists racist anti American pond scum traitor. The GOP and scum Trump family are no different. All traitor Trump's doing is using America for his personal cash register. What do you get when you cross a pig and traitor Trump? Nothing cuz there's just some things a pig won't do

  • gordon moore Post author

    No Trump … you are the disgrace. You are not smart, think you are the greatest, ego maniac ………… hang on things could change for the better sooner than you think ….

  • TIM PHANEUF Post author

    Trump is so crooked he makes the mob look like amateurs.

  • MusicLovingFool1 Post author

    NYT and WP are as corrupt as Bezo's Amazon funded by CIA…yet, in these comments…I see a bunch of CIA or Clowns in America making comments like Goliath against David aka Donald Trump. You people need to stop being brainwashed, eating junk food and drinking fluoridated water cause you all are dumber than a box of rocks!!! Mueller is cover up King…he covered up 911 propagated by GHWB from the Skull & Bones, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, and delivered samples of Uranium directly to Putin in the Uranium One scandal..and hello they killed a landowner on live TV over uranium in trying to steal his land via BLM corruption under a non citizen…Obummer! JHC…God help America!!! Amen!!!

  • Ginger P Post author

    They are a criminal enterprise. Book after book, report after report, and TRUMP’S own words has convinced me.

  • Ginger P Post author

    Two words: PANAMA PAPERS

  • Sophia Mahmud MD Post author

    “ FOLLOW THE MONEY 💰 “
    THAT IS WHAT HAS LED TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’s IMPENDING
    DEMISE.
    This is my opinion entirely

  • The Black Knight Post author

    Democrats need to get off their butts and go after all these criminals. Our president is a criminal and a traitor to our country.

  • Amit Patel Post author

    Make America Great Again by taking down Trump and his corrupt Organization!

  • late fall chill Post author

    Since there seems to be a view that bans indicting a sitting President, there needs to be a new law that the Statute of Limitations for any President's crimes committed before, during, or after their Presidency, are eliminated for the rest of their life.

  • conspiracy against me Post author

    someone explain how a counselor who counsels is supposed to look out for your well being through the law cant lie and i thats deception so if thinks its the truth he is decevied i was decieved before and didnot know until later iam not responsible for any one wrong doing although for for five years dome have been trying to set me up this year is 2019

  • Mike Perkins Post author

    POS POTUS and staff.

  • Linda Lauer Post author

    I hope they are looking into the possibilty that the Trump administration can also have ties to the church of SCIENTOLOGY since not long ago he didn't want to send troops to where a SCIENTOLOGY cruise ship was, along with other comparisons to what is going on !!

  • arow gobe Post author

    he need to go back on 1980 time when criminals mop poor pepole

  • vito perrone Post author

    What level of criminal enterprise or how many crimes must Trump commit before he is held to the same measure of accountability as every other American citizen? His misdeeds are clearly defined in the Mueller report and we have heard him lie on the plane about Stormy and right out confessed to Lester about why he fired the FBI director. What do we need? What if you had a chance to go back in history to effect some change during Hitlers reign? (non violent) Would you stand quietly or wear your Nazi pin proudly? (MAGA hat)

  • Redsky Eagle Post author

    I told you but no one believes me. This guys is bad all over the world. Ivanka Trump is involved in money laundering and drug cartels.

  • claire bigelow Post author

    Possibility of a Criminal Enterprise ? Possibility ? ITS A DEFINATE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE…ARE YOU PEOPLE IN DC BLIND ???

  • Mason Plank Post author

    Dose trump even realize his government is investing literally everything about him and closing in.

  • Marnie Mutascio Post author

    Everything that Trump touches should be investigated

  • Just Me Post author

    Trump has always presented himself as the big mob boss who does as he pleases. Remember when Kim Jung Uhn said Pompeo came across as a mafia boss

  • Edd Garcia Post author

    That would be beautiful take the jerks money this will end him.

  • HARPO1ME Post author

    Mike his Lawyer in prison now is absolutely correct about Trump isn't he?

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